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12-10-2013, 03:00 PM
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do you even watch hockey? edler is the better dman and signed to a sweetheart deal.
Nope.

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This year, yes. Edler has struggled notably. That being said both Phaneuf and Edler's careers have been mired by repeated and arguably long bouts of inconsistency. My point of contention was not who's better - I gave Phaneuf the edge right now because he is playing better. But that you cited Edler as an overrated #3. That's more Luke Schenn or Josh Gorges level.

Even when playing badly, Edler is a #2 guy at absolute worst.
Luke Schenn is a top 5-6 defensemen... That said, I do see your point that both are inconsistent. However, If Edler is a #2 they should not trade him (I know him and Tanev are not on NTC yadda yadda), if you truly value him as a #1-2 keep him....

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12-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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No thanks, I'd rather not pay Dion $7.5+M per.

I'd rather keep Edler or trade him for a scoring forward.

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12-10-2013, 03:05 PM
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The only "interest" the Canucks have in Phaneuf is getting him back in the West so they can victimize him routinely like they did when he was a Flame

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12-10-2013, 03:09 PM
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Phaneuf is better than Edler but I would never do this deal in a million years. If we trade Edler, its for a forward. Seriously this proposal is terrible for both teams.

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12-10-2013, 03:11 PM
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Phaneuf at whatever ridiculous contract he gets is at worst = edler on his much better contract.

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12-10-2013, 03:11 PM
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This year, yes. Edler has struggled notably. That being said both Phaneuf and Edler's careers have been mired by repeated and arguably long bouts of inconsistency. My point of contention was not who's better - I gave Phaneuf the edge right now because he is playing better. But that you cited Edler as an overrated #3. That's more Luke Schenn or Josh Gorges level.

Even when playing badly, Edler is a #2 guy at absolute worst.
When was the last time Phaneuf played as bad as Edler is currently playing? Probably the season he got traded

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12-10-2013, 03:12 PM
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Best defensive hockey of his career ?? Are the Leafs not last in the leauge in shot's against, if it was not for the Reimer and Bernier things would be alot worse this season for Leaf nation. Edler and Phaneuf are pretty close in value (even with Edler's rough season so far), Edler is better defensively and Phaneuf has a better offensive game. The tie breaker is Edler's sweetheart deal compared to what Dion will want. I'd take Edler.
Definitely not.

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12-10-2013, 03:14 PM
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Please provide a source for this. As far as I'm concerned this is very inaccurate.
it's an E1 aka fishing for hits in big hockey markets

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12-10-2013, 03:15 PM
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Phaneuf is better than Edler right now but Edler on his current contract is much more valuable than a non-signed Phaneuf, or even Phaneuf signed at the 7-8m per he'd likely get.

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12-10-2013, 03:19 PM
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I do love how Edler is not only a #3 defenseman, but an overrated one too. Meanwhile, Phaneuf is definitely 100% #1.

I would probably give the edge to Phaneuf right now, but both are near the same marker in terms of ranking. That being said, this whole scenario makes no season for either team.
Agreed. Plus I don't believe that Dion is a true number one (by a long shot) but he is the only option the Leafs have. They are in a difficult position, sign him to a ridiculously long and high value contract that he could never live up to or loose him for nothing.

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12-10-2013, 03:23 PM
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I'm not paying Phaneuf 7 million per, he's a good payer and gets too much hate, but he's not worth 7 million per year IMO.

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12-10-2013, 03:24 PM
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When was the last time Phaneuf played as bad as Edler is currently playing? Probably the season he got traded
Probably his entire career, with the exception of this year. I distinctly remember Leafs fans riding Dion for his poor play and not playing up to his contract last year. I think that if you where to post a thread stating "the value of Dion to your team" you would be unpleasantly surprised.

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12-10-2013, 03:32 PM
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Why would Van do this? Isn't Dion a soon to be ufa? Edler is signed to a great contract. Doesn't make sense

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12-10-2013, 03:50 PM
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Can we agree that these two teams can not be trading partners as long as Nonis and MG are the gms
This.

After the rope a dope routine Nonis/Burke played with Luongo and the history Gillis replacing Nonis here, I don't see TO and Van as trading partners.

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12-10-2013, 03:52 PM
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There are rumors that Toronto doesn't want to give the Money that Dion is asking for and there is word that they meant trade him. There is also word that Vancouver is interested and I thought of a deal around theses two teams

To Toronto

Alex Elder

To Vancouver

Dion Phaneuf

what do you think guys?

I wouldn't read much into such rumors if they are indeed out there. The way I see it is the Leafs have very little choice but to re-sign Phaneuf since he is by far the Leafs best dman and there isn't much on the UFA dman market the Leafs can replace him with.

For all the crap Phaneuf gets on HF the Leafs would be a much weaker team without him and they can't really afford to lose him. He'll get his long term deal with the Leafs before he becomes a UFA.

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12-10-2013, 05:43 PM
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Phaneuf is a #1 dman, playing his best defensive hockey of his career.

Edler is struggling right now.

My point stands.
Phaneuf is a #1 dman on a team that can't play defense. what an accomplishment.

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12-10-2013, 05:45 PM
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I wouldn't read much into such rumors if they are indeed out there. The way I see it is the Leafs have very little choice but to re-sign Phaneuf since he is by far the Leafs best dman and there isn't much on the UFA dman market the Leafs can replace him with.

For all the crap Phaneuf gets on HF the Leafs would be a much weaker team without him and they can't really afford to lose him. He'll get his long term deal with the Leafs before he becomes a UFA.
Good post.

I completely agree.

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12-10-2013, 06:16 PM
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Only 2 defenders (who have played 75% of their team games) have less GA 5on5 than Phaneuf (he has 9 goals against in 30games): http://www.extraskater.com/players/o...&pos=D&sit=5v5

While Edler has already allowed twice as many goals against 5on5.

Yea, no thanks.

Btw, last week I saw some Van fans want Lupul for Edler. What happened?


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12-10-2013, 06:42 PM
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There are rumors that Toronto doesn't want to give the Money that Dion is asking for and there is word that they meant trade him. There is also word that Vancouver is interested and I thought of a deal around theses two teams

To Toronto

Alex Elder

To Vancouver

Dion Phaneuf

what do you think guys?
Nope. Canucks will trade Edler for a scoring forward if they trade him at all. Do not need nor want phaneuf.

Edit: as a Canuck fan I want nothing to do with most of the TO team but would take JVR, Kessel, or Kadri. Thats it. No one else. If TO did want Edler they would have to overpay as Gillis probably hates nonis because of nonis screwing him over during the luongo debacle. Edler for JVR otherwise go deal with some other team.

These teams will not make any trade any time soon....maybe someday when Gillis and nonis have both moved on.

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12-10-2013, 06:57 PM
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Lol @ the guy who thinks Edler is better defensively

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12-10-2013, 08:59 PM
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I'd rather have 5 years of Edler, than 1 year of Phaneuf.

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I'd rather have 5 years of Edler, than 1 year of Phaneuf.
it's only 6 months of Phaneuf as well

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12-10-2013, 09:11 PM
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it's only 6 months of Phaneuf as well
And 5 and a half for Edler.

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12-10-2013, 09:27 PM
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I'd pass. Would be lateral at best (although i think Dion is a little better defensively this year). I would be willing to offer Lupul for Edler or Tanev+.
we dont want lupul tho

stop trying to throw lupul into every trade

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