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12-10-2013, 04:35 PM
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i wouldn't do that trade if i was dean Martinez is already a better defenseman then Smid and u want to add clifford doesnt make sence to me.
Smid's under appreciated. He'll never dazzle anyone with offensive ability but he's physical and he'll block more shots in a night than most guys in a month. That's why it's so hard to gauge his value, he excells at all the unsung aspects of the game.

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12-10-2013, 04:37 PM
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Smid for Clifford, Gravel + 2nd?

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12-10-2013, 04:43 PM
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Smid's under appreciated. He'll never dazzle anyone with offensive ability but he's physical and he'll block more shots in a night than most guys in a month. That's why it's so hard to gauge his value, he excells at all the unsung aspects of the game.
This is not a slight to Smid at all I very much respect the value Smid. He would be a good addition to the kings but Martinez is a top 4 defenseman on alot of teams. He even played top four last year before he got hurt and looked really good. I belive we have only lost once this year with Martinez playing. I think that my fellow king fan black is underestimating him is all. I would be fine with Clifford and a late pick for him and before you say thats a understatement Clifford is one of my fav king players and i take great pains in trading him.

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Smid for Clifford, Gravel + 2nd?
Not happening.

Us kings fans are very high on Gravel. In fact, some of us have him ahead of Forbort with higher ceiling.

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12-10-2013, 04:46 PM
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Smid for Clifford, Gravel + 2nd?
Umm where to start ok on clifford going for him next no way were tradeing our top (according to some ) d prospect ( to me its forbert but its close) we dont have our own 2nd this year or next they went to buffalo for robin regher We do have a 2nd coming in 14 or 15 from toronto however it is there choice what year we get it.

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12-10-2013, 05:02 PM
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This is not a slight to Smid at all I very much respect the value Smid. He would be a good addition to the kings but Martinez is a top 4 defenseman on alot of teams. He even played top four last year before he got hurt and looked really good. I belive we have only lost once this year with Martinez playing. I think that my fellow king fan black is underestimating him is all. I would be fine with Clifford and a late pick for him and before you say thats a understatement Clifford is one of my fav king players and i take great pains in trading him.
I like Clifford, I think it would be a mistake for the King's move him. That being said, the Flames defense isn't exactly solid and even less physical. Our strong point, right now, is a lot of young, skilled bottom 6 prospects. It doesn't make sense to trade from a position of weakness for an already strong position. It's funny, cause I'm sure something based around Smid for Clifford would have really interested the Oilers


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12-10-2013, 05:04 PM
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No thanks. Gio's value to the Flames right now worth more than any team would be ready to trade away.
I would have thought Giordano's value to the Flames is worth whatever they can get for him in a trade. Unless you think he will still be there by the time the Flames are a cup contender?

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12-10-2013, 05:15 PM
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I would have thought Giordano's value to the Flames is worth whatever they can get for him in a trade. Unless you think he will still be there by the time the Flames are a cup contender?
Everyone has a price...that just wasn't it! He's signed to be the captain for 2 more years, the Flames will be patient and wait for the right deal to come around.

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12-10-2013, 05:16 PM
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12-10-2013, 05:24 PM
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I like Clifford, I think it would be a mistake for the King's move him. That being said, the Flames defense isn't exactly solid and even less physical. Our strong point, right now, is a lot of young, skilled bottom 6 prospects. It doesn't make to trade from a position of weakness for an already strong position. It's funny, cause I'm sure something based around Smid for Clifford would have really interested the Oilers
Personally i couldnt agree with you more about clifford. He only needs more ice time to make the next step imo. If he got 12 -15 mins a game he would be a 15-20 goal scorer and be top 10 in hits. However La has alot of players like him in there system. Sutter loves king and is using him instead of clifford in the role of scoring with the better linemates. I honestly could see him play 2line lw in the future after increasing his mins. It will take a year or two to get him used to the mins however. I would like to see him get the opportunity to play more and he would in calgary. Personally id rather see Clifford in the east so he wouldnt hurt la as much but if hes in the west Calgary seem like a better fit to me. Yes it would suit the oilers however i dont see us trading with them now that there in the division or the fraser fisasco

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Smid for Clifford, Gravel + 2nd?
No. Not really close even imo.

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12-10-2013, 06:09 PM
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Personally i couldnt agree with you more about clifford. He only needs more ice time to make the next step imo. If he got 12 -15 mins a game he would be a 15-20 goal scorer and be top 10 in hits. However La has alot of players like him in there system. Sutter loves king and is using him instead of clifford in the role of scoring with the better linemates. I honestly could see him play 2line lw in the future after increasing his mins. It will take a year or two to get him used to the mins however. I would like to see him get the opportunity to play more and he would in calgary. Personally id rather see Clifford in the east so he wouldnt hurt la as much but if hes in the west Calgary seem like a better fit to me. Yes it would suit the oilers however i dont see us trading with them now that there in the division or the fraser fisasco
Kind of surprised you didn't ask about Kris Russell, given the season he's having, cheap cap hit and UFA status.

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12-10-2013, 06:22 PM
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Kind of surprised you didn't ask about Kris Russell, given the season he's having, cheap cap hit and UFA status.
to be honest we are looking more of a defensive minded shot blocker and smid and gio fit our needs more. We already have slava and drew with muzzin and martinez all offensive minded defenseman. We re looking to replace mitchell or greene or maybe regher for next year with mitchell and greene being ufa at the end of the season.

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12-10-2013, 10:13 PM
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There is very little chance of DL making a trade with roster players let alone multiple roster players going the other way. Jones and TT are going no where Scrivens is a UFA at season end and Jones will be the back up next year

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I don't see Calgary being interested.

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12-10-2013, 10:18 PM
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Giordano has an NTC, so what makes you think he'd definitely waive to go to LA? He has even less value than Iginla, people expecting three 1sts are out to lunch

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12-10-2013, 10:25 PM
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Martin Jones would be interesting. We're familiar with him here in Calgary - but we just gave away a goalie because we're confident in what we have, so unless Ramo or Berra is going back the other way (which I don't see happening), it's a moot point.

Now Fobort, I could see Calgary having a bit of interest. He`s a project, but he`s still intriguing.

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12-10-2013, 10:26 PM
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Giordano has an NTC, so what makes you think he'd definitely waive to go to LA? He has even less value than Iginla, people expecting three 1sts are out to lunch
At this point, I don`t think Giordano has less value than Iggy for several reasons.

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12-10-2013, 11:49 PM
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Giordano has an NTC, so what makes you think he'd definitely waive to go to LA? He has even less value than Iginla, people expecting three 1sts are out to lunch
He has a NMC and the next year he has a NTC. Basically if he wants to win and was a Sutter guy, he could waive for LA.

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12-11-2013, 12:42 AM
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Giordano has an NTC, so what makes you think he'd definitely waive to go to LA? He has even less value than Iginla, people expecting three 1sts are out to lunch
I don't know if Giordano would waive to go anywhere, but if he did waive I can't see why LA wouldn't be a consideration. Sutter, Regehr, familiar with the team, same conference, plenty of decent reasons.

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12-11-2013, 12:45 AM
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That's pretty bad for the Flames. The Flames need top end pieces, they have enough middle line players.

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Toffoli would have to be included with the 1st, not that other junk.
Person is hardly junk.

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We're going about this all wrong, we need to make a deal that Feaster would take...something with value obviously WORSE than what we're proposing. Then all of the cosmic tumblers will fall in to place.

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12-11-2013, 02:22 AM
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IF the Flames were going to move Gio, he would probably get a first and a very good prospect.

The op's package doesn't measure up to that.

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I think this is a case of quality for quantity. However, if the Flames are interested in these kind of packages, the Leafs could do better for Giordano:

2013 1st Round Pick (should be several spots higher than the Kings first)
2013 3rd Round Pick
Tyler Biggs / Carter Ashton
Cody Franson

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