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12-11-2013, 08:37 AM
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I loved Prust while he was here but you just can't justify that contract. Brash was overpaid. so we're a lot of other Rangers. At the time, I thought Asham was a great deal by comparison. You want to replace Prust without spending money? Bring up Haley. He can do the same thing minus a few goals.

I want to see this:
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Miller-16-Dorsett/Fast when healthy/22
22/14-28-Haley

yes, I know I left out our captain. Trade Cally. he is a heart and soul player. I get it. We all love him because he embodies what we want our players to be. Due to his style, he's going to break down. Trade him while he has value. Maybe Buffalo gives us a 1st and a good prospect for him.

Maybe the drinks here in New Orleans and this losing streak have gotten to me....

Right, you can't justify 2.5per for a guy that brought an insane amount of energy and toughness to your team.

I'm sorry, but we waste money ALL OVER THE PLACE ALL THE TIME.

Prust was a DIFFERENCE MAKER.... YOU PAY HIM...

Brooks is 100% right.

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12-11-2013, 08:49 AM
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I loved Prust while he was here but you just can't justify that contract. Brash was overpaid. so we're a lot of other Rangers. At the time, I thought Asham was a great deal by comparison. You want to replace Prust without spending money? Bring up Haley. He can do the same thing minus a few goals.

I want to see this:
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yes, I know I left out our captain. Trade Cally. he is a heart and soul player. I get it. We all love him because he embodies what we want our players to be. Due to his style, he's going to break down. Trade him while he has value. Maybe Buffalo gives us a 1st and a good prospect for him.

Maybe the drinks here in New Orleans and this losing streak have gotten to me....
He barely even provides energy to the lineup anymore now that he doesn't give 100% most nights. Maybe losing Dubinski and Prust caused Callahan to lose some motivation as well. Nash certainly doesn't motivate the team.

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12-11-2013, 08:52 AM
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Prust was a very likable Ranger. He did a role that naturally endears oneself to the fans. And he did it well. That said, he's hardly a unique player or an irreplaceable piece.

The GM just never bothered to replace him.

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12-11-2013, 08:58 AM
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Buffalo doesn't give us a 1st and a prospect for Callahan. They're rebuilding. He's a veteran rental. If they see the Rangers are shopping Cally, they wait 'til FA thinking they have a good shot at signing the hometown kid. My $0.02

Agree with all the posters talking about the Prust contract. It was ridiculous at the time, and is still ridiculous.

Also agree with the posters who say Haley is a similar player, because he is. Prust was a nobody in the NHL (he was beast in the OHL, shut down Crosby, etc...) until the Rangers gave him a legit shot. When Haley had his shot with the Isles, he was a force and a quick fan-favorite for his antics against the Pens. He hasn't had that same shot with the Rangers yet. Understand he's injured, would love to call him up when he's healthy.

Until then, I'm okay with Ash as our fourth liner.

It wasn't losing Prust that was the big problem in this team completely destroying it's identity. It was losing Prust, and THEN Dubinsky and Anisimov. Then we had an identity that didn't fit the coach with two pure scoring talents in Gaborik and Nash. So we blew that up and brought over Brassard, DD, Moore. Guys who are good, but haven't done anything to mean as much to the NYR blue as AA and Dubi did - and then we replaced the coach with a guy who would have excelled with Gabby and Nash on his roster. Slats going in circles, chasing his tail and never catching it.

Here's an idea... stop blowing it up?

Or blow it up productively, one more time, and stick with it. ie - trade Callahan, Girardi, and DZ. Get productive pieces back that fit with AV since we're bought into him. Build an identity.

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12-11-2013, 08:59 AM
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Prust was a very likable Ranger. He did a role that naturally endears oneself to the fans. And he did it well. That said, he's hardly a unique player or an irreplaceable piece.

The GM just never bothered to replace him.
I disagree. You keep players like him.. championships are won with guys like him. He was a HUGE glue guy for the team, and you can't just put another guy "like" him in the lineup and expect the same results. You don't break what is obviously not broken.

All we did after 11-12 was systematically destroy every bit of chemistry that team had. We decided getting Rick Nash was worth basically breaking apart that team.

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Really? Look at the cost of Prust replacements:

Moore, Halpern, Pouliet, Pyatt, Asham, Powe.
Cost aside those guys together havent replaced what Prust everything brought to this team so yes the replacements is a failure.

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I disagree. You keep players like him.. championships are won with guys like him. He was a HUGE glue guy for the team, and you can't just put another guy "like" him in the lineup and expect the same results. You don't break what is obviously not broken.

All we did after 11-12 was systematically destroy every bit of chemistry that team had. We decided getting Rick Nash was worth basically breaking apart that team.

MISTAKE
Yes, players LIKE him. Not necessarily him.

The Prust-left-now-there's-a-gaping-hole-in-the-lineup-and-we'll-won't-address-the-hole is just another example of Sather operating in a vacuum.


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12-11-2013, 09:56 AM
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Kinda disagree, that contract wasn't too unreasonable, nothing like Cano.
Also, it's not just Prust, it's Prust and Dubinsky along with AA and Mitchell.

Slats underestimated the heart and soul of the Rangers. If we are going to lose, I'd rather it be like the 2011 black and blueshirts.
Callahan, Rupp, Fedotenko, Sauer. Let's face it hags and Cally are shells of what they were that year. Callahan has gotten older and beaten up. I dunno what hagelin's problem is. Lots of guys lost and it had nothing to do with getting rid of Prust or trading Dubs and AA

The problem isn't letting go of prust. it wasn't trading Dubs and AA (that move made last years team better than it would have been had we kept those two). The problem was not having any sort of plan in place to replace them while other guys got older and were also not replaced. Why the HELL would a GM let go of prust but then trade for Clowe, trade for Powe, sign asham, sign pyatt and sign pouliout? Why haven't we been drafting guys who could fill those bottom 6 spots?

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Kinda disagree, that contract wasn't too unreasonable, nothing like Cano.
Also, it's not just Prust, it's Prust and Dubinsky along with AA and Mitchell.

Slats underestimated the heart and soul of the Rangers. If we are going to lose, I'd rather it be like the 2011 black and blueshirts.
Don't forget Fedotenko. He was a key to that Rangers chemistry also.

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and it was just prust. mitchell was a tough fourth liner, but dorsett coming back made up for the loss of dubi. boyle del zotto, heck the whole team played a little more edgier with him in the line up. the guy was over payed by one million a year. that is not a crazy amount of money. i also do not think it is a coincidence that since prust has returned to the line up montreal has been world beaters.
Dorsett makes up for loss of Dubi??????

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12-11-2013, 10:03 AM
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I envision these types of conversations getting about a half a second of thought within this regime.

"Brandon Prust got a $10M offer from Montreal" - Underling

"Cant match that, Asham is available as a replacement" - Sather

...and thats that.

I dont care that we lost Prust, persay, I do care that we continue to attempt to replace those good depth players with players that are worse.

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But, but, I thought Torts was holding back the greatness.

I didn't care if Torts left or not because coaches don't matter much, but there is little doubt that the team played harder and with more dedication under Torts.

I know most of you hated his style of play but it appears that that style hid some of this team's shortcomings.


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Sather should have thought long and hard about how he was going to replace Prust, Anisimov, Dubi, and Feds. Can they be replaced through free agency? Is there anyone in the system that can replace what they bring? I have to wonder if he even asked himself these questions.

And similarly, he also should have considered whether it was a good idea to trade for so many ex-BJs, AND subsequently hire a coach that had problems with at least one of these players. I doubt he even considered the impact of bringing in so many people from a losing culture.

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Everyone focuses on the 2.5 million offer. Sather had plenty of time in the 2.5 years that Prust was here before he became a UFA to extend his contract. He obviously did not make an accurate judgement of his value to the team and offer him 1.5--1.8 per year for 6 years halfway through his time here. Prust probably would have jumped on it.

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Shattap Brooksie.

The Rangers haven't been the same since Brandon Prust left. True. It's also true of Ruslan Fedotenko and Jeff Woywitka. Humans are really good at finding patterns where they may or may not exist.

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Everyone focuses on the 2.5 million offer. Sather had plenty of time in the 2.5 years that Prust was here before he became a UFA to extend his contract. He obviously did not make an accurate judgement of his value to the team and offer him 1.5--1.8 per year for 6 years halfway through his time here. Prust probably would have jumped on it.

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Everyone focuses on the 2.5 million offer. Sather had plenty of time in the 2.5 years that Prust was here before he became a UFA to extend his contract. He obviously did not make an accurate judgement of his value to the team and offer him 1.5--1.8 per year for 6 years halfway through his time here. Prust probably would have jumped on it.
If Sather gave Prust a 6 year contract, Prust wouldn't be the only one jumping.

Another would be me. Off a bridge.

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Sather should have thought long and hard about how he was going to replace Prust, Anisimov, Dubi, and Feds.

I doubt he even considered the impact of bringing in so many people from a losing culture.
Nor did he consider what breaking up chemistry means. Nor did he consider that grit is needed. Nor did he consider that importing more mercenaries did not work before and will not work now.

Effectively, he did not consider because he has no plan and no vision.

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If Sather gave Prust a 6 year contract, Prust wouldn't be the only one jumping.

Another would be me. Off a bridge.
Ok how about 4 years? The point is why did he wait until someone else offered him too much money for him to match? Another example of incompetence in the front office. A good example of doing it right is MacTrucks contract. He did not wait until other teams threw huge sums of money at him. Resigned him early for a reasonable amount of money. Sather did not recognize the value to the team that Prust had. If he thought he could replace him for less money, well he hasn't yet. I would trade Poo, Pyatt and Asham straight across for him.


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Ok how about 4 years? The point is why did he wait until someone else offered him too much money for him to match? Another example of incompetence in the front office. A good example of doing it right is MacTrucks contract. He did not wait until other teams threw huge sums of money at him. Resigned him early for a reasonable amount of money. Sather did not recognize the value to the team that Prust had. If he thought he could replace him for less money, well he hasn't yet. I would trade Poo, Pyatt and Asham straight across for him.
I want a front office with foresight.

But "man, we gotta extend this 4th liner for several years" is a little too much foresight.

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I want a front office with foresight.

But "man, we gotta extend this 4th liner for several years" is a little too much foresight.
You say that like he was the equivalent of Pyatt. He is not.

I would trade an entire 4th line of Pyatt, Poo and Moore for Prust. It's the intangibles that he brought that make him more then a 4th line player. Pyatt and Poo sitting in the stands make almost as much as Montreal is paying Prust. I wish he was still a Ranger.

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So I looked up Prust's salary history.

2 years with Calgary total one million dollars
2 years with the Rangers total 1.6 million dollars.

I think that in the middle of the Ranger's contract he would have resigned for 1.5 million per year for 4 years. It would have been worth it to us.

The point I am trying to make is that it was a mistake to let it get to UFA and let someone outbid us for him.

Boyle 1.7, Pouliot 1.3, Pyatt 1.45 million. I think these numbers are right


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Prust was to expensive. And while Sather has made dumb decisions before, that doesn't make this one correct

Dubi was overpaid and not living anywhere up to his contract

Mitchell? Seriously? What on Earth did he ever do for us?

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Prust was to expensive. And while Sather has made dumb decisions before, that doesn't make this one correct

Dubi was overpaid and not living anywhere up to his contract

Mitchell? Seriously? What on Earth did he ever do for us?
Seriously, at that point he should've included, PAP and Rosival, maybe mention Cheri as well? Jeez

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