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12-03-2013, 02:42 PM
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It's becoming ever clearer to me that we need someone to take the on-ice attention away from Giroux. He's getting absolutely choked out there.

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12-03-2013, 02:46 PM
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It's becoming ever clearer to me that we need someone to take the on-ice attention away from Giroux. He's getting absolutely choked out there.

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12-03-2013, 02:52 PM
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I guess so when he's playing with two 2nd/3rd liners. He's the only star in the league that doesn't get to play with another star, outside of Crosby. And even he gets to play with Kunitz who would be this team's best winger.

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12-03-2013, 03:01 PM
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I guess so when he's playing with two 2nd/3rd liners. He's the only star in the league that doesn't get to play with another star, outside of Crosby. And even he gets to play with Kunitz who would be this team's best winger.
Yeh, everyone jokes about Kunitz... but he was a 50-60 point winger for 4 years before he went to Pitt.

I do think Jake is a ~60 point winger though with the ability to be a 70 point guy, he was a pretty consistent 50 point winger for three years before last as a 20-22 year old on the 2nd line on two different teams, and in the 11-12 playoffs showed his calibre as well, and ofc last year he was awesome. (Although 17% sh was not going to maintain itself.)

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12-03-2013, 03:04 PM
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Yeh, everyone jokes about Kunitz... but he was a 50-60 point winger for 4 years before he went to Pitt.

I do think Jake is a ~60 point winger though with the ability to be a 70 point guy, he was a pretty consistent 50 point winger for three years before last as a 20-22 year old on the 2nd line on two different teams, and in the 11-12 playoffs showed his calibre as well, and ofc last year he was awesome. (Although 17% sh was not going to maintain itself.)
He better learn some consistency if he doesn't want to be the considered the next Viktor Kozlov. (Another guy who had an absurd blend of size, speed, and skill, but never lived up to his skill set)

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12-03-2013, 03:12 PM
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He better learn some consistency if he doesn't want to be the considered the next Viktor Kozlov. (Another guy who had an absurd blend of size, speed, and skill, but never lived up to his skill set)
That is a pretty good/fair comparison at this stage of Jakes career. He has all the tools and all the skill (outside maybe his shot) to be a great 70 point guy for a long time... just has to find his game night to night and not let his chin drop when things are not going his way.

Though I reckon Kozlov had a worse shot... guy could not shoot for toffee. He still had a pretty decent career though, pretty much 50 points regularly... but yeh, he should have probably converted his talent to more.

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12-03-2013, 03:14 PM
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Yeh, everyone jokes about Kunitz... but he was a 50-60 point winger for 4 years before he went to Pitt.
Seriously, Kunitz is a good player. I'd take him any day over Simmonds and Hartnell.

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12-03-2013, 03:22 PM
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Seriously, Kunitz is a good player. I'd take him any day over Simmonds and Hartnell.
Id take anyone who can shoot over them.

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12-11-2013, 08:52 PM
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This pains me to say because he's been my favourite for years, but Giroux really isn't that special a player any more. His last 70 games have seen him regress to merely a 70 point powerplay specialist. Gone are the one man performances when he drags us on his own, gone are the breath taking passes, gone is the never-say-die attitude and in their place is diving, lethargy and stupid blind passes across the zone.

I don't understand it. He's lost everything that made him what he was. Is it mental?

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12-11-2013, 09:05 PM
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You can blame wrist/hand injuries and you can blame linemates all you want but just watching Giroux tells me all I need to know. He lacks that burst of speed he had. He lacks those filthy moves in tight spaces. He lacks the creativity. There are games, tonight being an example where Giroux is completely invisible. He's done nothing tonight. I love Giroux. I really hope he regains his form and I know it's borderline criminal to say around here but right now he's just not the same player that made us all drool.

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12-11-2013, 09:17 PM
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You can blame wrist/hand injuries and you can blame linemates all you want but just watching Giroux tells me all I need to know. He lacks that burst of speed he had. He lacks those filthy moves in tight spaces. He lacks the creativity. There are games, tonight being an example where Giroux is completely invisible. He's done nothing tonight. I love Giroux. I really hope he regains his form and I know it's borderline criminal to say around here but right now he's just not the same player that made us all drool.
But but his linemates are bad. He scored 93 points with one guy on his current line and the other was 40 years old. Its definitely all of his line mates fault that he's struggling though

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12-11-2013, 09:49 PM
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i think the weight of captaincy is to much for him...

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12-11-2013, 10:00 PM
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I think its both, him and his linemates. Maybe tries to do too much. Voracek keeps turning pucks over in Offensive zone doesn't help, and neither Hartnell's stupid penalties

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12-11-2013, 10:05 PM
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I think it is pretty obvious that for him to come close to deserving that new contract he is going to need a top winger to play with like Nash, Ryan... etc. He just is not an elite talent like Crosby, Malkin, or Ovechkin. He needs one player on his line that can play up to his level. And hopefully someone with size that won't be pushed around. Honestly Ryan fits that mold perfectly IMO which is why I wanted him in the offseason, but that ship has sailed unless he somehow makes it to free agency after next season.

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12-11-2013, 10:13 PM
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Giroux is just playing badly. You would think a player getting paid 8+ mil next year would be a top 10 forward. Guess what? Giroux is barely cracking the top 100 players in total points despite leading the flyers in power play time. I love him and I believe he is better than what he is this year. I just don't get it.

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12-11-2013, 10:24 PM
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Giroux is just playing badly. You would think a player getting paid 8+ mil next year would be a top 10 forward. Guess what? Giroux is barely cracking the top 100 players in total points despite leading the flyers in power play time. I love him and I believe he is better than what he is this year. I just don't get it.
Giroux isn't as good as I would hope offensively, but it's not like a PP only needs one player to function. We don't have any big point shots and our top six is a mess so it's no wonder nothing is happening offensively.

It's also no wonder people begin to go crazy on Giroux when he isn't scoring at a PPG or so. He's never been a dominant two-way force like Couturier or Richards so it makes sense that when he isn't scoring he's harder to cheer for.

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12-11-2013, 10:35 PM
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8 million dollar players shouldn't need stars to make room for them. Turnover machine atm. Hope he can get it turned around or it's going to be a long 8 1/2 years. Not that the last 8 1/2 have exactly flown by.

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12-11-2013, 10:42 PM
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He's having a bad year and forcing it to much. The organization needs to do more to help him get going

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12-11-2013, 10:45 PM
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I don't think people realize that down years are to be expected in any player's career really. Variance happens naturally.

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You can blame wrist/hand injuries and you can blame linemates all you want but just watching Giroux tells me all I need to know. He lacks that burst of speed he had. He lacks those filthy moves in tight spaces. He lacks the creativity. There are games, tonight being an example where Giroux is completely invisible. He's done nothing tonight. I love Giroux. I really hope he regains his form and I know it's borderline criminal to say around here but right now he's just not the same player that made us all drool.

I'm glad Im not the only one who has recognized his lack of speed this year. Also the creativity is not was it was two years ago.

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I don't think people realize that down years are to be expected in any player's career really. Variance happens naturally.
shouldnt happen to "the best player in the world"

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So tired of the excuses. Zajac, Gionta, Gomez, Drury, Heatley, Havlat, Daigle, Carson etc. All of their games went south in a hurry, although most closer to 30. I am not saying G is one of them, but at 8 years / 8.275mm per, it is irrational NOT to be a little bit worried.

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I don't think people realize that down years are to be expected in any player's career really. Variance happens naturally.
Last year was a down year too

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The lockout shortened season has hurt the Flyers more than the average team.

Management could not get a clean read on the development curve of the young players like Couts, B.Schenn, Gustafsson and any negative impact on the production of Veteran players like Giroux or Hartnell was just shrugged off as fluke and not taken seriously because numbers were not significant. And then Giroux was extended based on the monster production he came up with before the lockout and a superstar projection that was very ambitious from the beginning.

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He's having a bad year and forcing it to much. The organization needs to do more to help him get going
This. I also think the loss of Jagr really hurt him more than anyone might admit. I'm not willing to write off Giroux over a bad season and I'm convinced that there's something wrong that he isn't letting anyone know, in part because he's the captain of the team and he doesn't want to let anyone within the organization down.

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