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12-14-2013, 04:22 AM
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Perry can drive the bus as long as Pens doesn't tickle him:

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Jaromir Jagr said to him Ryan Getzlaf is the MVP this season, so he's expecting a very tough game Friday against the Ducks.

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Jaromir Jagr said to him Ryan Getzlaf is the MVP this season, so he's expecting a very tough game Friday against the Ducks.
Don't tell anyone... Still gotta do something about those elusive intangibles.

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He can't be the MVP. His corsi is not good enough. Justin Williams is the clear hart winner at this point. If you disagree it means you are disagreeing with objective data and believe in creationism!

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I don't understand this concept of "driving force of the line". These 3 guys compliment each other so damn well.

Getzlaf an elite center and plays a lot of PK this year. More than Perry I think. He always starts the PK in the defensive zone draws.

Perry is an elite scorer, his shooting % may be lower, but there is no one else on the team I trust to score than him... maybe slif w/ a one timer in the slot, but thats it. He is probably the smartest player of the three and does a great job when used on the PK because he is so good at keeping the puck away from the team and using open space... thus the higher puck possession. He rarely starts the PK in the defensive zone and usually comes out after a clear... and for the record the only time Perry and Getzlaf don't play together is on the PK.

Penner is such a compliment to this line simply because he is such a freaking big distraction. He can finish, he can hit, and this year he is backchecking/skating hard. Rarely can someone get the puck away from him behind the goal line 1 on 1. That in its on cause the defense to scramble and creates more space for Perry and Getzlaf.

The team that I think that has the most success against Getzlaf and Perry are Mike Babcock's Red Wings. He tells his people to not chase and keeps them on the perimeter. When you do that they possess the puck in offensive zone a long time but rarely generate a significant chance.

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All of you seem to think Getzlaf is better than Perry. Can you help me understand that? I don't watch that many Ducks games but I have nightmares about Perry, and consider him one of the top 5 players in the NHL. Is it a motivation thing? When Perry plays top teams does he go to another level, while Getzlaf is more consistent?

Anyway, what I really want to know is why are the Ducks so good. As an outsider, it seems to me that most of your roster looks pretty ordinary and you have four or five players carrying the team along. Is that wrong? Thanks for the help

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All of you seem to think Getzlaf is better than Perry. Can you help me understand that? I don't watch that many Ducks games but I have nightmares about Perry, and consider him one of the top 5 players in the NHL. Is it a motivation thing? When Perry plays top teams does he go to another level, while Getzlaf is more consistent?

Anyway, what I really want to know is why are the Ducks so good. As an outsider, it seems to me that most of your roster looks pretty ordinary and you have four or five players carrying the team along. Is that wrong? Thanks for the help
Getzlaf controls the game far more than Perry does. He's the primary puck carrier on the line, he QBs the PP, takes key defensive faceoffs, is the first out on the PK, has a better shot, vision and is a better passer than Perry. Perry goes to the dirty areas, is more willing to use his shot and is more creative in attacking defensemen one on one (although at times this can be annoying as he goes through stretches where he turns the puck over a lot). They're both great talents but Getzlaf is the better player of the two.

Four or five players carrying a team is quite a lot. Offensively the team definitely relies on Getzlaf but on the rare occasion he doesn't show up to a game we generally have enough depth to make up for his absence. Our third line eats heavy minutes, contributes offensively and is great in their own end. Defensively we have a ton of depth and Fowler stepping up his game has gone a long way to giving us a solid blueline. We've had key contributions from Lindholm who has for the most part been able to play second pairing minutes for us (his game has fallen off a bit lately and he's likely sent down when Souray comes back).

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All of you seem to think Getzlaf is better than Perry. Can you help me understand that? I don't watch that many Ducks games but I have nightmares about Perry, and consider him one of the top 5 players in the NHL. Is it a motivation thing? When Perry plays top teams does he go to another level, while Getzlaf is more consistent?
Consistency is a part of it, but not the biggest. Be it from the more influential position, or from his style of play, Getzlaf controls the game far more than Perry does. Perry is amazing, but there's really few players who can impact the entire play like Getzlaf regularly does for us. It isn't that Perry is leeching off of him in any way, and Pears certainly can produce plenty on his own. He makes plays and scores a lot of goals from those, but Getzlaf changes the play to his team's advantage. Well, that's the best I can put it... sorry for not being able to give you a more tangible argument.

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It is a bit wrong. I can't really fault you for it, because many of these players haven't earned themselves huge profiles in the past. But there's a good number of very good players that are just as good as established names on other teams. Bonino is a bit of a perfect example. Then there's a lot of quality young players, who have been flying under the radar as prospects in some cases (like Palmieri). There's a lot of depth there.

But at some point, I think it's also fair to say that it's a good example of a team being more than the sum of its parts. It's a solid group of players, better than the names would suggest, but it's also a group that buys into the coach's system, a group that can handle that, and a group that has been adjusted to work in that. There could easily be a bigger name brought in over a guy like Lovejoy, which would make the roster look better on paper, but at the end of the day, in addition to him being a decent player on his own, there's chemistry with Fowler, and that's worth a lot more. Usually, the team plays a very sound defensive team game; there aren't many forwards on the team that are one-dimensional, most guys are two-way players and help with their workload. The defensemen, in return, are to a large degree guys that can play a good pass, which allows for better breakouts and less time spent chasing the puck.

I'd say it's those two things - a good number of the players are bigger than their names, and then the team is even bigger than that sum of players, which took the team to where it is now.

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Consistency is a part of it, but not the biggest. Be it from the more influential position, or from his style of play, Getzlaf controls the game far more than Perry does. Perry is amazing, but there's really few players who can impact the entire play like Getzlaf regularly does for us. It isn't that Perry is leeching off of him in any way, and Pears certainly can produce plenty on his own. He makes plays and scores a lot of goals from those, but Getzlaf changes the play to his team's advantage. Well, that's the best I can put it... sorry for not being able to give you a more tangible argument.


It is a bit wrong. I can't really fault you for it, because many of these players haven't earned themselves huge profiles in the past. But there's a good number of very good players that are just as good as established names on other teams. Bonino is a bit of a perfect example. Then there's a lot of quality young players, who have been flying under the radar as prospects in some cases (like Palmieri). There's a lot of depth there.

But at some point, I think it's also fair to say that it's a good example of a team being more than the sum of its parts. It's a solid group of players, better than the names would suggest, but it's also a group that buys into the coach's system, a group that can handle that, and a group that has been adjusted to work in that. There could easily be a bigger name brought in over a guy like Lovejoy, which would make the roster look better on paper, but at the end of the day, in addition to him being a decent player on his own, there's chemistry with Fowler, and that's worth a lot more. Usually, the team plays a very sound defensive team game; there aren't many forwards on the team that are one-dimensional, most guys are two-way players and help with their workload. The defensemen, in return, are to a large degree guys that can play a good pass, which allows for better breakouts and less time spent chasing the puck.

I'd say it's those two things - a good number of the players are bigger than their names, and then the team is even bigger than that sum of players, which took the team to where it is now.
That actually helps a lot. A very good explanation. To be honest with you I felt like you guys were fluky last year but it's now been about ninety games of basically keeping pace with our utterly ludicrous Blackhawks team and staying a step ahead of a pretty ludicrous LA team.

In my mind, it was always just Perry and Getzlaf (and Ryan always used to play well against us) and your goalies. We would outshoot, outchance and generally outplay the hell out of you, but Perry and Getzlaf would net a couple of stakes through the heart and your goalie would hang on. That formula worked for me for a few years, but the last couple years, the Ducks have looked less and less like a team getting outplayed and yet having a few players steal games.

I'm a Blackhawks fan from Chicago, so obviously I capriciously dismiss all evidence to the contrary and believe my team can beat yours, regardless of our record in the last number of games. I really want to see a Chicago-Anaheim series in the playoffs - they are the only team in the NHL that I can see going toe-to-toe with the Blackhawks - so how about you don't get bounced on in the first few rounds by some punk team. Can you do that for me?

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Getzlaf controls the game far more than Perry does. He's the primary puck carrier on the line, he QBs the PP, takes key defensive faceoffs, is the first out on the PK, has a better shot, vision and is a better passer than Perry. Perry goes to the dirty areas, is more willing to use his shot and is more creative in attacking defensemen one on one (although at times this can be annoying as he goes through stretches where he turns the puck over a lot). They're both great talents but Getzlaf is the better player of the two.

Four or five players carrying a team is quite a lot. Offensively the team definitely relies on Getzlaf but on the rare occasion he doesn't show up to a game we generally have enough depth to make up for his absence. Our third line eats heavy minutes, contributes offensively and is great in their own end. Defensively we have a ton of depth and Fowler stepping up his game has gone a long way to giving us a solid blueline. We've had key contributions from Lindholm who has for the most part been able to play second pairing minutes for us (his game has fallen off a bit lately and he's likely sent down when Souray comes back).
I've noticed Fowler. Back to your forwards, if a Duck won the Selke, who would it be?

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I'm a Blackhawks fan from Chicago, so obviously I capriciously dismiss all evidence to the contrary and believe my team can beat yours, regardless of our record in the last number of games. I really want to see a Chicago-Anaheim series in the playoffs - they are the only team in the NHL that I can see going toe-to-toe with the Blackhawks - so how about you don't get bounced on in the first few rounds by some punk team. Can you do that for me?
Hah, would love to help you out with that, if only to start dismissing that - not entirely wrongful for the time being - knock on Boudreau, being lack of playoff success. Such a series would be huge fun. Hopefully we can stay on track to make it a meeting in the later stages of the WC playoffs, too.

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I've noticed Fowler. Back to your forwards, if a Duck won the Selke, who would it be?
That's a tough one. If we're going by the de-facto definition of the NHL that uses a combination of defensive play and still a good offensive output, I'd probably go for Cogliano. Maybe along with the Masterton, because he's just a warrior.

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I've noticed Fowler. Back to your forwards, if a Duck won the Selke, who would it be?
Getzlaf if it was awarded in the traditional sense where you need offensive output as well as defensive ability. As far as who our best defensive forward is - it's Winnik. Winnik and Getzlaf are always our go to guys on the PK and are both almost always out in the last minute and a half of the game. BB leans on those two equally when the game is on the line.

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Getzlaf if it was awarded in the traditional sense where you need offensive output as well as defensive ability. As far as who our best defensive forward is - it's Winnik. Winnik and Getzlaf are always our go to guys on the PK and are both almost always out in the last minute and a half of the game. BB leans on those two equally when the game is on the line.
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Hah, would love to help you out with that, if only to start dismissing that - not entirely wrongful for the time being - knock on Boudreau, being lack of playoff success. Such a series would be huge fun. Hopefully we can stay on track to make it a meeting in the later stages of the WC playoffs, too.


That's a tough one. If we're going by the de-facto definition of the NHL that uses a combination of defensive play and still a good offensive output, I'd probably go for Cogliano. Maybe along with the Masterton, because he's just a warrior.
These posts help me a lot. A lot of teams seem to have players that can only be really understood when you watch them a lot. I never realized what a complete player Hossa was until he changed laundry. Likewise, it seems like most hockey fans think Kane is better than Toews, but I would really disagree with that. It seems like I've been guilty of that sort of mistake with Getzlaf and Perry. After reading your posts, I think that if I watched the Ducks all the time, I'd quickly see Getzlaf as the better player.

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