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12-07-2013, 09:56 AM
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Hope Couturier celebrates becoming legal to drink today with another breakout game. Happy 21st!

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Hope Couturier celebrates becoming legal to drink today with another breakout game. Happy 21st!
In Quebec, its 18 to be legal to drink and Couturier is from Quebec. He's already legal when he is at home during summer.

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He's one of several posters who doesn't like Schenn very much.

I don't think it's very logical but that's just my opinion.
Schenns plural. Brayden has one of the best shots on the team and that is about it.

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Schenns plural. Brayden has one of the best shots on the team and that is about it.
Well he asked what happened to Schenn in your line-up which was only the forwards, so Schenn singular was correct.

There's also the fact that he's 22 and is 8th among forwards in avg ice time per game. He's also one of our best pt producers in general in terms of pts/minutes played. His physical game has dropped this year but he also brings that element. There are many things he does well, people just need to be patient but that's not a common commodity among hockey fans, especially Flyers fans.

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I'd be happy to be patient with Schenn, but there's not much to encourage us that any real progress is being made. He's invisible out there most nights.

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12-07-2013, 12:39 PM
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He's 2nd on the team in points. He's 2nd on the team in hits among forwards. The only player in the top 9 he gets more ice time then is Downie and lately that hasn't been true either however atm Downie avgs less toi on the season. He's only invisible because you aren't watching him play. Schenns going to be a big part of the offense soon and his brother is going to be a solid middle pairing defensemen for a while.

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I'd be happy to be patient with Schenn, but there's not much to encourage us that any real progress is being made. He's invisible out there most nights.
I don't really care if some fans think he's invisible as long as he keeps putting up points. His inconsistency issues will fix with experience IMO.

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12-07-2013, 12:45 PM
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In Quebec, its 18 to be legal to drink and Couturier is from Quebec. He's already legal when he is at home during summer.
That doesn't change the fact he wasn't legal in the U.S where he is located for most of the year.

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12-07-2013, 12:58 PM
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After seeing JVR's progression after his first three seasons can people please not complain about Brayden Schenn to date?

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I'd be happy to be patient with Schenn, but there's not much to encourage us that any real progress is being made. He's invisible out there most nights.
JVR also didn't show much aside from one playoff run and look how he's turning out.

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I'd be happy to be patient with Schenn, but there's not much to encourage us that any real progress is being made. He's invisible out there most nights.
I feel the same way. He seems to be good at putting himself in the right places to score which is an important skill, but he doesn't do much else that wows or stands out. Still, he produces.

You just know if he's traded he'll immediately break out.

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In Quebec, its 18 to be legal to drink and Couturier is from Quebec. He's already legal when he is at home during summer.
he's from new brunswick...but on to my question

there is a discussion about couturier on the habs board but i wanted to see what flyers fans think

eller, beaulieu and something small

for

couturier and morin.

what do you think?

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I feel the same way. He seems to be good at putting himself in the right places to score which is an important skill, but he doesn't do much else that wows or stands out. Still, he produces.

You just know if he's traded he'll immediately break out.
Trade ya Eberle for Schenn +

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JVR also didn't show much aside from one playoff run and look how he's turning out.
There were flashes with JVR. Brayden's had maybe a good series. Hard to say when we didn't win anything of merit.
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Trade ya Eberle for Schenn +
Cut the ****. Eberle's not going to improve the team any more than he does in Edmonton, and we all know where they sit. What this team needs is a solid, two-way, top-pairing defenseman to somewhat alleviate the aging of Timonen, and loss of Pronger.

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That iron really stings, but at least he kicked the snot out of Turris!

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he's from new brunswick...but on to my question

there is a discussion about couturier on the habs board but i wanted to see what flyers fans think

eller, beaulieu and something small

for

couturier and morin.

what do you think?
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he's from new brunswick...but on to my question

there is a discussion about couturier on the habs board but i wanted to see what flyers fans think

eller, beaulieu and something small

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couturier and morin.

what do you think?
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Imagine if Laughton is the real deal and in a couple years he becomes close to the luxury at 3C that Couturier is now...

Giroux / Couturier / Laughton down the middle... wow.
Yeah our centers look great, but our defense is slow and lacks any offensive skill.
That is why I wanted Dougie Hamilton, not Courturier.
This defense is so slow and average, someone needs to be traded to bring in new blood on the defensive side.
Have no problem trading both Schenn's or Courturier and a defenseman for a player of Hamilton's promise on the backend.
This team is only average overall, they need to rebuild the defense first, not continue to patch it with players like Streit.


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he's from new brunswick...but on to my question

there is a discussion about couturier on the habs board but i wanted to see what flyers fans think

eller, beaulieu and something small

for

couturier and morin.

what do you think?
We need a number #1 defenseman, and Courturier is better than Eller, IMO.
I do not see Beaulieu as the offensive presence we need at defense.
Sorry, not interested.

If you are willing to give up your #1 defenseman for Courturier, then I'll consider the offer.

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[QUOTE=Clown Baby;75877221]There were flashes with JVR. Brayden's had maybe a good series. Hard to say when we didn't win anything of merit.
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You cant discount that Schenn is playing on a much more offensively challenged team than JVR was too. Schenn was solid in the 2012 Playoffs. Not JVR 2011 good, but solid. He doesn't have the same quality of teammates that JVR did.

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I can honestly see Couturier becoming the captain of an nhl team at some point in his future. He offers a lot of intangibles and is just a shutdown guy that is learning his offensive game.

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JVR also didn't show much aside from one playoff run and look how he's turning out.


Comments like this boggle my mind. Last two seasons:

Brayden Schenn

Last season (bottom ten team, Simmonds/Briere most common linemates): 21 years old, 47 GP, 8 Goals, 18 Assists, 26 points
This season (Simmonds/VL most common linemates): 22 years old, 32GP, 7 Goals, 11 Assists, 18 points

JvR

Last season, (playoff team, Kessel/Bozak most common linemate): 23 years old, 48GP, 18 Goals, 14 Assists, 32 Points
This season, (Kessel/Bozak most common linemates): 24 years old, 31GP, 14G, 12A, 26 points

Brayden Schenn has shown nothing! Sure, he is younger and playing with worse linemates on a worse team, but the guy had 6 less points last year and 8 this year! JvR is turning into a complete stud! Schenn just isn't doing anything.

If you are impressed/ok/excited/whatever about JvR's performance, you should be equally excited about Schenn, if not moreso given that he is playing on a worse team with worse linemates and is two years younger, which usually makes such a huge difference on these boards.

I keep pointing to Bobby Ryan, but its just the easiest example. Last year he was not as valuable as Voracek because he was two or three years older and played with better linemates. But JvR is so much better than Schenn and his age or linemates is not taken into account (nor are his stats, apparently, which are comparable to the younger Schenn playing with worse teammates).

Oh well. He's a bust.


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Comments like this boggle my mind. Last two seasons:

Brayden Schenn

Last season (bottom ten team, Simmonds/Briere most common linemates): 21 years old, 47 GP, 8 Goals, 18 Assists, 26 points
This season (Simmonds/VL most common linemates): 22 years old, 32GP, 7 Goals, 11 Assists, 18 points

JvR

Last season, (playoff team, Kessel/Bozak most common linemate): 23 years old, 48GP, 18 Goals, 14 Assists, 32 Points
This season, (Kessel/Bozak most common linemates): 24 years old, 31GP, 14G, 12A, 26 points

Brayden Schenn has shown nothing! Sure, he is younger and playing with worse linemates on a worse team, but the guy had 6 less points last year and 8 this year! JvR is turning into a complete stud! Schenn just isn't doing anything.

If you are impressed/ok/excited/whatever about JvR's performance, you should be equally excited about Schenn, if not moreso given that he is playing on a worse team with worse linemates and is two years younger, which usually makes such a huge difference on these boards.

I keep pointing to Bobby Ryan, but its just the easiest example. Last year he was not as valuable as Voracek because he was two or three years older and played with better linemates. But JvR is so much better than Schenn and his age or linemates is not taken into account (nor are his stats, apparently, which are comparable to the younger Schenn playing with worse teammates).

Oh well. He's a bust.
I agree with your sarcasm. People are crapping on Schenn yet his 2nd year and this year mirrors JVR's 2nd and 3rd year. All while on a crappier team. Schenn is on pace for 46 points...JVR's 3rd year..on pace for 46 points. Schenn is currently 2nd in team scoring. JVR's 46 points would have put him at 8th in scoring that year. JVR played with MUCH more offensive team.

Have some patience. Without him having a big breakout this year, he will be signing a nice bridge contract like Couts did and then in the next years, he will grow. Just watch.

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Comments like this boggle my mind. Last two seasons:

Brayden Schenn

Last season (bottom ten team, Simmonds/Briere most common linemates): 21 years old, 47 GP, 8 Goals, 18 Assists, 26 points
This season (Simmonds/VL most common linemates): 22 years old, 32GP, 7 Goals, 11 Assists, 18 points

JvR

Last season, (playoff team, Kessel/Bozak most common linemate): 23 years old, 48GP, 18 Goals, 14 Assists, 32 Points
This season, (Kessel/Bozak most common linemates): 24 years old, 31GP, 14G, 12A, 26 points

Brayden Schenn has shown nothing! Sure, he is younger and playing with worse linemates on a worse team, but the guy had 6 less points last year and 8 this year! JvR is turning into a complete stud! Schenn just isn't doing anything.

If you are impressed/ok/excited/whatever about JvR's performance, you should be equally excited about Schenn, if not moreso given that he is playing on a worse team with worse linemates and is two years younger, which usually makes such a huge difference on these boards.

I keep pointing to Bobby Ryan, but its just the easiest example. Last year he was not as valuable as Voracek because he was two or three years older and played with better linemates. But JvR is so much better than Schenn and his age or linemates is not taken into account (nor are his stats, apparently, which are comparable to the younger Schenn playing with worse teammates).

Oh well. He's a bust.
Awesome post. Also take into consideration that JVR is, on average, getting over 5 more minutes of ice time a game, literally. Almost a minute of that is on the pp too. People need to take it easy on this kid.

Though I think SCOREacek was advocating patients, using JVR as an example.

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