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12-12-2013, 09:53 PM
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Who would of thought both of them on the same line would actually be decent?
Not me.

We cannot trade Simmonds to Montreal. He would kill us every time we played them.

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12-15-2013, 05:12 PM
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To call them two power forwards is a stretch or at least a bit of over simplification there.

It's redundant because they both are only good for goal scoring. Neither of them stand out as playmakers and neither of them are good two-way players. Neither of them are able to play a PK. It's not even like they can score goals from all over the place either. They both function in the NHL as players who go into dirty areas and score goals off of deflections and garbage goals in front of the net and sometimes off the rush.

There's just no need for more then one player like that. It's like having two versions of Knuble. Just not necessary or even useful really.
Its like Holmgren is a fantasy hockey GM.
Just assemble a bunch of former 1st round picks with limited offensive skills and skating ability.
They kept the wrong winger, should have kept Jagr and let Hartnell go.
They could have put Simmons on the line with Giroux and Jagr and it would have been a better line.
Heck, at this point McGinn could function in that capacity, way too much $$$ tied up in overvalued players.

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12-15-2013, 06:04 PM
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Saying we should have kept Jagr is absolute hindsight.



On topic, this line is basically a 4th line on bath salts.

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Saying we should have kept Jagr is absolute hindsight.



On topic, this line is basically a 4th line on bath salts.
Yes. I don't expect them to score or anything like that. Just want them to keep the puck out of our net. That's a weird feeling to have for a line that's supposed to be our second.

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12-15-2013, 06:15 PM
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And watching them play, it's like a lot of abnormally skilled 4th liners trying to make offense. It's kind of weird.

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12-15-2013, 06:30 PM
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I try to think of new ways to describe having both Hartnell and Simmonds on the roster, but the word I keep thinking of is redundancy.

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12-15-2013, 06:41 PM
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I try to think of new ways to describe having both Hartnell and Simmonds on the roster, but the word I keep thinking of is redundancy.
Holmerbuiltteam ?

One has to go, sad thing is it will be simmer. Harts was worst skater again.

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12-15-2013, 07:00 PM
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I try to think of new ways to describe having both Hartnell and Simmonds on the roster, but the word I keep thinking of is redundancy.
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12-15-2013, 10:43 PM
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Collberg and a 1st for simmonds?

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12-17-2013, 09:38 PM
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Two breakaways tonight, zero shots.

(For the record, Simmonds has been much better lately)

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12-17-2013, 10:44 PM
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One thing has been annoying me about these two lately. On the PP, there often seem to be lose pucks in front of the net and Simmonds and Hartnell always seem to be there yet they NEVER put the puck in the back of the net. These guys are supposed to be power forwards, but where are the dirty goals? They just always seem to lose those battles or not pounce on loose pucks.

I think Simmonds has been much better as of late over all, but I would like to see him play more like Knuble or Holmstrom on the PP.

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12-19-2013, 10:44 PM
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If The flyers can't find a trade partner in regards to Hartnell what would a buyout cost the flyers?

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12-19-2013, 10:46 PM
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If The flyers can't find a trade partner in regards to Hartnell what would a buyout cost the flyers?
I'm sure we could find a trade partner during the deadline. TBH I think we could get a late first or 2nd round pick with maybe a little salary retained.

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12-19-2013, 10:50 PM
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I'm sure we could find a trade partner during the deadline. TBH I think we could get a late first or 2nd round pick with maybe a little salary retained.
That's what I figure but still have that curiosity. Plus Hartnell can dictate who he goes to. Overall though I just don't see how he fits on this roster anymore as anything besides a locker room presence.

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12-20-2013, 10:28 AM
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I'm sure we could find a trade partner during the deadline. TBH I think we could get a late first or 2nd round pick with maybe a little salary retained.
I bet the Flyers could fetch a defenseman from Edmonton for Hartnell or possibly the Senators, just don't know what teams are on Hartnell's no-trade list.

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12-20-2013, 10:51 AM
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If The flyers can't find a trade partner in regards to Hartnell what would a buyout cost the flyers?
It's not something they should be looking at for a few more years.

Scott Hartnell buyout from CapGeek.com

2014-15: $1,250,000
2015-16: $1,250,000
2016-17: $1,250,000
2017-18: $1,750,000
2018-19: $3,250,000
2019-20: $1,500,000
2020-21: $1,500,000
2021-22: $1,500,000
2022-23: $1,500,000
2023-24: $1,500,000

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12-20-2013, 11:25 AM
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Buying him out? That's incredibly dumb.

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12-20-2013, 11:42 AM
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Buying him out? That's incredibly dumb.
It's more likely that he would be traded but it never hurts to look at everything, like I said I was just curious about the figures. Seeing the buyout figures also helps when considering retaining salary in a trade.

Thanks to Curu for providing the figures. I agree with you that it isn't something that should be done just yet.

I really don't see much of a place for Hartnell moving forward but if the Flyers retain $1million it may be easier to move him and maybe even get a better return than they otherwise would have.

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12-20-2013, 12:08 PM
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No doubt Hartnell is playing horribly, but I think the Flyers should hold onto him.

He's a better player than he's shown, and over the years he's traditionally been on our most productive lines. I'd rather ride it out and play him on the 3rd/4th lines until he finds some chemistry or gets his game back in order.

To me Schenn is the guy that sticks out as not fitting into the group moving forward. I don't like Schenn at Center and I think Vinny's future is on the wing, too. Laughton seems to be the ideal 2/3 center next year with Giroux and Couts.

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12-20-2013, 01:45 PM
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Hartnell has always had bad stretches of games, or even bad years. He's been frustrating as hell, but I haven't given up hope yet...

Hartnell-Lecavalier-Schenn might be a good line to try but then what do we do with Simmonds?

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12-20-2013, 02:30 PM
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Someone said in another thread that Hartnell has forgotten who he is. He's a glorified grinder. He is supposed to be mucking it up, agitating, playing in the dirty areas, screening the goalie. But since he scored over 35 two years ago he's visioned himself as a different type of player. If he were to go back to his old style, he could be useful again.

This all reminds me of Shane Victorino. He was a speedy guy at the top of the lineup, effective as hell. Then he starts hitting close to 20 homers and all of a sudden he swings for the fences every at-bat and his OBP drops 20-30 points. Not surprisingly the rest of the lineup gets out of whack and the Phils start sucking balls.

Hartnell can be re-reconfigured, he just needs a little humility in the form of line demotion and reduced ice time. Which thankfully he's getting.

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12-20-2013, 02:37 PM
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No doubt Hartnell is playing horribly, but I think the Flyers should hold onto him.

He's a better player than he's shown, and over the years he's traditionally been on our most productive lines. I'd rather ride it out and play him on the 3rd/4th lines until he finds some chemistry or gets his game back in order.

To me Schenn is the guy that sticks out as not fitting into the group moving forward. I don't like Schenn at Center and I think Vinny's future is on the wing, too. Laughton seems to be the ideal 2/3 center next year with Giroux and Couts.
I agree with you. I don't like how after a year recovering from a broken foot and this year people write him off immediately.

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12-20-2013, 02:45 PM
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Put Hartnell on the fourth line when Lecavalier comes back. I've soured on Rinaldo and the way Berube likes to roll all four lines, Hartnell/Hall/Vandevelde wouldn't be a liability out there and there'd be the chance they could pot some goals every so often.

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What do you mean immediately? He has been poor for three months now.

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12-20-2013, 09:27 PM
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Simmonds can give you what hartnell gives you with at least the ability to carry the puck and not fall over.

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