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01-10-2007, 07:00 PM
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Without Souray this year, we're out of the top 8, PERIOD.
As much as I like Sheldon but I totally disagree, he is too one demensional, terrible in his own end.....PP specialists are easy to find and I think that the Habs will trade him before the deadline because his value will never be any higher than it is right now

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I agree

But like i always say when this comes up : If Kubina got 5 million then........
Sorry but Gainey isnt going to pay 6 million for Souray....as long as Koivu is on this team he will be the highest paid player

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As much as I like Sheldon but I totally disagree, he is too one demensional, terrible in his own end.....PP specialists are easy to find and I think that the Habs will trade him before the deadline because his value will never be any higher than it is right now
He's an average d man, with a way above average specialty. PP specilaists, esp. those who score, aren't dime a dozen, no one else is doing what he's doing.

Streit could be billed as a pp specialist on some teams, but if he played Souray's pp minutes, we'd be lower in the standings. Never discount goals. It's why Ryder has more value than his detractors like to admit, goals are important.

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Sorry but Gainey isnt going to pay 6 million for Souray....as long as Koivu is on this team he will be the highest paid player
Totally agree!!!

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He's an average d man, with a way above average specialty. PP specilaists, esp. those who score, aren't dime a dozen, no one else is doing what he's doing.

Streit could be billed as a pp specialist on some teams, but if he played Souray's pp minutes, we'd be lower in the standings. Never discount goals. It's why Ryder has more value than his detractors like to admit, goals are important.
Markov could bloom into a offensive PP specialist and play the minutes that Souray would or has played.... Dont be fooled by thinking that nobody does what Sheldon does....John Micheal Liles, Rob Blake, Sergei Gonchar just to name a few......The bottom line is that Souray isnt worth 6 million a season to do what he does, sure he may score a few but he allows more than he scores hence his minus stat......

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Sorry but Gainey isnt going to pay 6 million for Souray....as long as Koivu is on this team he will be the highest paid player
Saku at 4,75 m$ , i agree that paying 6 M$ to souray looks ridiculous . Markov could get 5 m$ may be , but Souray , hell ! i hope not . You don't pay a player 5 millions because he gets a career " half season " . We have enough exemples of players that were good one season ,that signed the big contract and that never reached their potential again .

"José Théodore " means something to you ?

Briere , Lecavalier , Hossa , Jagr , Thorton are concession 's players . Souray is not ; he 's a middle range player that is having a career season.

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Markov could bloom into a offensive PP specialist and play the minutes that Souray would or has played.... Dont be fooled by thinking that nobody does what Sheldon does....John Micheal Liles, Rob Blake, Sergei Gonchar just to name a few......The bottom line is that Souray isnt worth 6 million a season to do what he does, sure he may score a few but he allows more than he scores hence his minus stat......
I wouldn't pay him 6 either. I don't think what he does is that easily replaceable though. Markov on the pp has had good stretches but he's always been inconsistent in that role. Even if you disagree with that, Markov QB's more than shoots. Jarvis, imo, looked at what his best weapon was, and designed the PP accordingly. Granted, he has excellent passers to his left and right, in Markov and Kovalev, and Koivu has been excellent at winng fo's and getting to the net, but Souray is the weapon they built th eleague's best pp around. I just think we are too quick to assume that goals can be replaced.

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01-11-2007, 08:48 AM
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Saku at 4,75 m$ , i agree that paying 6 M$ to souray looks ridiculous . Markov could get 5 m$ may be , but Souray , hell ! i hope not . You don't pay a player 5 millions because he gets a career " half season " . We have enough exemples of players that were good one season ,that signed the big contract and that never reached their potential again .

"José Théodore " means something to you ?

Briere , Lecavalier , Hossa , Jagr , Thorton are concession 's players . Souray is not ; he 's a middle range player that is having a career season.
you should not have to pay him 5 million a year, but some team will, its a nobrainer... if kim jonsson and kubina can get it, souray will be offered 5-plus without a doubt.

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01-11-2007, 09:20 AM
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as mush as i love his offensive play this season along with his physical play and leadership, he still makes a number of mistakes along with turnovers in the defensive zone. i just dont think he is worth more than 4 million, and likely some other wack job GM will offer big money, so i think we should just trade him.

i would really like to trade him to EDM for Stoll, he is a good center with a nice shot and he can play the point on the pp. edm wants scoring defense, so i think this could be a good trade. plus after picking up nedved, they have some depth up front.

i also think striet could be given more ice time, and he has a pretty good shot too. not to mention that we will hopefully be having Emelin come to the lineup next season to supply another physical element.
I myself was thinking about Souray for Stoll, Souray is the type of player Edmonton sorely needs and Stoll is be the second line center Montreal has been dreaming of for years.

The problem with this is that Stoll right now is bringing a lot to the table for the Oil for a reasonable contract, and the deal would likely hinge on Souray re-signing in Edmonton, and Oilers management isn't too keen on overpaying players, as indicated by their refusal to overpay for a big name D this offseason despite desperate need. (Even Pronger's contract was reasonable). As such, MTL might have to give up a bit more to get Stoll, or any similar player from another team.

If Gainey doesn't think he can afford to re-sign Souray, a legit, young second line center should be priority #1. Stoll would be ideal, I just don't see the Oil giving up a player that has been one of the few bright spots in a dissapointing season.

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Despite his lack of defensive ability, Souray has proven to be a game-breaker for the Habs this season. Who else can you say that about and have it be as accurate? I'm a firm believer that everyone brings something different to the table and these specialties among players are what build great teams. I'm all for Souray staying in Montreal for no more than 4 Million a year simply because he does score goals and he does put points up on the board. We've got a defenceman who is ALRIGHT in his own zone and killer up front. Meanwhile, we have Samsonov who is delinquent in both zones and he's making over 3 Million for close to no production. Besides, we have Markov and Komisarek that can shut down the big guns anyway.

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