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12-16-2013, 12:20 PM
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Not every player has the ability to take over the game. Even good players. You can be a good player and not have the ability to dominate a game. I don't think a guy like John LeClair when he was knocking in 50 a year was a guy who took over or controlled the game like JvR did a couple years ago in the playoffs, but I'd love to have him on the team. Schenn is playing fine, especially for a 22 year old, but not good enough in your eyes and the points he is amassing (which are similar to JvR numbers) are happening for some other reason besides the fact that he is playing well. JvR is 24 and playing just as well but on a better team with much better linemates, but a couple times a year or two ago he played REALLY well for a week. Come on.
Considering Mike Richards was traded for him, he's really gonna need to show more than he is to make me believe this trade isn't likely a flop.

I'm not saying Schenn is going to be a bad player. All I'm saying is it looks like his ceiling isn't a lot higher than what we're seeing, and that's not going to wind up being terribly impressive if it's the case.

He's on pace for 45 points, and if that's good for 2nd on the team that just means the team is terrible. Being 2nd on this team in scoring isn't all that fantastic of a feat. He's currently not showing any reason to believe he'll be more than a 60-65 point player with maybe a season or two in the 70s at his peak if he happens to line up with the right guys. That's not worth Mike Richards, who did the same thing while providing fantastic defense, which Schenn doesn't provide.

We go on about JVR and how he's pacing at the same pace, but let's not forget JVR very clearly had/has more talent than Schenn. And the guy we traded for the guy was putting up 75 points in his 3rd season, not pacing for 45 points.

So yeah, I'm concerned about the guy.

But this being the Couturier thread, I'm done discussing it here.

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12-16-2013, 01:14 PM
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I sat behind the Islanders bench during a game and I swear to God Jon Sim fell asleep standing up during the national anthem. He looked extremely hungover.
Jon Sim doesn't sleep. He waits.

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12-16-2013, 01:23 PM
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You need to learn how to read. Badly. He said Stevie Y type, which means the same type of player. No one expects him to do any of those things, they were just stating players that weren't burners who were good offensively (Ron Francis) and a player he could have a similar play style to (Stevie Y).

Also, to make your head explode: Gretzky, Messier, Lemieux, Sakic, Howe, Esposito, Oates, etc.
Oooooooohhh he said Stevie Y "type"

So he meant the Hall of Fame type?

The 6th All time in Scoring type?

The 10 time All-Star type?

The 3 time Stanley Cup champion type?



I read just fine thank you. I know exactly what he said. There is no such thing as a Steve Yzerman "type" -- that's the point. He is one of the best players of all time, and the reason he was so good is because there is/was no one else like him.

Stop trying to compare Couts to all time greats. It just isn't good for anyone. That is all I am trying to say.

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12-16-2013, 01:25 PM
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I see more Wayne Gretzky in Couts than Stevie Y anyway, horrible comparison.

EDIT: I hate making comparisons with players. Always have and always will.


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12-16-2013, 01:52 PM
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Yeah. I'm not seeing it. Not sure why you'd bring up the name. Only adds confusion to the subject.

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Oooooooohhh he said Stevie Y "type"

So he meant the Hall of Fame type?

The 6th All time in Scoring type?

The 10 time All-Star type?

The 3 time Stanley Cup champion type?



I read just fine thank you. I know exactly what he said. There is no such thing as a Steve Yzerman "type" -- that's the point. He is one of the best players of all time, and the reason he was so good is because there is/was no one else like him.

Stop trying to compare Couts to all time greats. It just isn't good for anyone. That is all I am trying to say.
Man, I hope you don't watch the NHL draft. They compare pretty much every first rounder to HoF players and those are 17-18 year old kids that haven't played a professional game in their lives. You must throw your remote through the TV every time a player is drafted.

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12-16-2013, 02:13 PM
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Man, I hope you don't watch the NHL draft. They compare pretty much every first rounder to HoF players and those are 17-18 year old kids that haven't played a professional game in their lives. You must throw your remote through the TV every time a player is drafted.
It is stupid then, too.

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I sat behind the Islanders bench during a game and I swear to God Jon Sim fell asleep standing up during the national anthem. He looked extremely hungover.
He was a notorious drinker. How would it be fair for the other team if he wasn't completely hammered out there?

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Sean Couturier reminds me of Deion Sanders
But with more speed.

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12-16-2013, 02:18 PM
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He was a notorious drinker. How would it be fair for the other team if he wasn't completely hammered out there?



But with more speed.
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12-16-2013, 02:19 PM
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Fast and Fouturier.

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Can we get a photoshop of his face on (Atlanta Falcons) Sanders high stepping lol?

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Or maybe all the players across all sports that he reminds us of?

Couturier reminds me of a young, spry Michael Schumacher.

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12-16-2013, 02:22 PM
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He reminds me of a young Bo Jackson.

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He is a little Paul Hamm, a little Mia Hamm, maybe a little Jon Hamm.

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Couturier reminds me of John Belushi, pre-death.

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Sean Couturier reminds me of Johnnie Cochran. He's simply the best defense money can buy.

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Couturier is like Hadrian's Wall at its best. Briere was a lot like the Maginot Line.

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Only Chamberlain scores more than Couturier.

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Couturier is like Hadrian's Wall at its best. Briere was a lot like the Maginot Line.

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Oooooooohhh he said Stevie Y "type"

So he meant the Hall of Fame type?

The 6th All time in Scoring type?

The 10 time All-Star type?

The 3 time Stanley Cup champion type?



I read just fine thank you. I know exactly what he said. There is no such thing as a Steve Yzerman "type" -- that's the point. He is one of the best players of all time, and the reason he was so good is because there is/was no one else like him.

Stop trying to compare Couts to all time greats. It just isn't good for anyone. That is all I am trying to say.
So then you just decided to not read the rest of my post?
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No one expects him to do any of those things, they were just stating players that weren't burners who were good offensively (Ron Francis) and a player he could have a similar play style to (Stevie Y).
This was the post which brought up Yzerman:
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He offers a lot of intangibles and is just a shutdown guy that is learning his offensive game.
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Stevie Y type?
By which he meant style of play, not level of play.

Again, no one expects Couts to be as good as SY or RF or any of those players, just that Francis was a player who was not the best skater but still put up big time points, and Yzerman who was a shutdown guy who was able to put up big points. Couturier looks like he could be of the same mould, obviously not as good.

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So then you just decided to not read the rest of my post?


This was the post which brought up Yzerman:

Which was replied with


By which he meant style of play, not level of play.

Again, no one expects Couts to be as good as SY or RF or any of those players, just that Francis was a player who was not the best skater but still put up big time points, and just like Yzerman who was a shutdown guy who was able to put up big points, Couturier looks like he could be of the same mould, obviously not as good.
I wouldn't say it's obvious. There are a lot of guys who can break out and become hall of famers. Not saying SC is one, but who knows how he progresses?

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All I meant was that he most likely isn't going to be a top 10 all time scorer, which that guy seems to think everyone is saying.

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