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12-17-2013, 08:52 AM
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I remember back in the day, before the Internet and overactive/neurotic fanbases had a voice....You checked the Post every day, yes the paper version and as long as you were in the top 8, you were happy. Make the playoffs and anything can happen. This Caps team, really any Ovechkin-led one will always be attempting to live up to the 08-10 teams during the regular season. Unless guys like 8,19,21,52 all are playing near their best...it will instead provide the fans a player or players to focus all their angst at from year to year.



3 Conn Smythe level players? The Caps that made the Finals didn't have 3 of those. I think 1-2 and it's doable. That one, if he's your goalie or one of your stars, chance are you're going deep.
This has proven to be the case time and time again.

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This team begins games like they hope/expect them to be easy, as if they still believe that they should be able to get by on talent alone. It's baffling that that notion has not been drummed out of them forever.
It's what happens when the coaching isn't nearly what it needs to be. Maybe if the team was 100% solid in the leadership department and the mix of players was better it wouldn't matter but that's not the case. It's always been a questionable mix and this latest inexperienced coaching staff has yet to show anything in the way of more disciplined results. If it weren't for that talent level--and an exceptional start for Ovechkin--they'd be right with all of the crap of the East. Hell, they're still not far from it.

They'll float along in the regular season well enough but there are plenty of concerning systematic, team-wide issues that should be addressed with far more vigor.

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12-18-2013, 11:15 AM
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Fun fact from this linkie........

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Jakub Voracek scored on a 2-on-1 just 58 seconds later, marking the 16th time this season the Capitals have given up a goal within two minutes of scoring themselves.

That seems like an "out of hand" stat that needs addressing by the coaching staff. Buckle down boys.

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12-18-2013, 11:21 AM
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16? i knew it was happening alot but no idea it was that many!

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12-18-2013, 12:35 PM
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Yeah the amount of times they get scored on soon after scoring themselves, soon after getting scored on, soon after the start of a game or period, or right before the end of a period or game is friggin' absurd.

That is all about lack of focus and almost completely on the coaching staff IMO.


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12-18-2013, 02:04 PM
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They still default to wanting things to be easy. Get a goal to go up 1-0, they take a "work break"

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12-19-2013, 04:49 PM
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http://www.sikids.com/blogs/2013/12/...of-hockey-gear

And both Capitals goalies aren't with Bauer. Damn't.

Ovi and Nicky though were testers so they will get this stuff. Also strange that Green switched to Reebok stuff a month ago when he knows this stuff is coming.

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12-22-2013, 09:26 AM
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Fun fact from this linkie........

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Jakub Voracek scored on a 2-on-1 just 58 seconds later, marking the 16th time this season the Capitals have given up a goal within two minutes of scoring themselves.

That seems like an "out of hand" stat that needs addressing by the coaching staff. Buckle down boys.
And just four days later....................We'll Score and Then Let You Score Okay?

Devils defenseman Marek Zidlicky scored 74 seconds after Ovechkin, and forward Dainius Zubrus followed suit at 11:47 to tie the game at 4-4 before defenseman Andy Greene won it in overtime.

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Oates' response to the question post-game IINM was something like 'we're mostly veterans so it shouldn't happen.' He's so terrible.

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Oates' response to the question post-game IINM was something like 'we're mostly veterans so it shouldn't happen.' He's so terrible.
He's right. It shouldn't. Meaning, piss poor team discipline and/or lazy players that needed to be moved years ago.

McPhee could not be more late to pull the trigger with this team. Such a puss.

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A lot of weak areas shouldn't happen on a team. His responsibilty is fixing them and thus far he hasn't shown much of any abiity to change their mentality or approach overall. McPhee should have stocked the team with more capable leadership and balance but Oates for his part has not shown to be anything special. For a supposed communicator there hasn't really been anything close to a coherent team concept.

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12-22-2013, 11:14 AM
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Oates' response to the question post-game IINM was something like 'we're mostly veterans so it shouldn't happen.' He's so terrible.
Remember, one of his core beliefs is that a coach should not motivate or discipline players and that it's up to them as they're adults and whatnot. He came to this conclusion because him and Hull did stuff in some way or another.

He's John Stevens 2.0 but not as good.

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He's right. It shouldn't. Meaning, piss poor team discipline and/or lazy players that needed to be moved years ago.

McPhee could not be more late to pull the trigger with this team. Such a puss.
Quenneville, Sutter, Julien, Tippett, Tortorella all motivate and discipline their players all the time. You know, those super non-lazy teams full of veterans this team would kill for.

Player motivation, discipline and setting the tone and mentality is in fact a huge part of coaching and winning whether you want it to be or not. If you ignore it you get exactly what we have now.

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12-22-2013, 11:18 AM
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Oates is an awful coach. Give me Hunter over him even.

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12-22-2013, 11:34 AM
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Oates is an awful coach. Give me Hunter over him even.
I'm sure Mcphee will get the coach right on his seventh try.

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12-22-2013, 12:40 PM
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These comments are funny. People ready to burn Oates at the stake, even so much so that they want Hunter hockey back. 30G Ovy comes with that.....

Love me some Huntsie, but no thx.

Oates is trying to treat the players like consummate pros , but he's got the wrong group of guys to play that game. Bruce tried it, eventually realized this group can't handle that kind of freedom, tried to reel it in, and failed. Oates seems more and more like Boudreau in a more attractive, younger package, with less success(so far). As long as he's got them in a playoff spot, not much to do now IMO.

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Boudreau was a superior motivator as far as generating a higher level of system play with the puck. It's not evident that puck possession or motivating are in Oates' toolbox.

Oates seems like a combination of Hunter's grind-it-out offensive tactics and Boudreau's loosey-goosey defense. It's the worst of both worlds at even-strength. He's been saved by Ovechkin and the PP. If one or both go cold they're going to be reeling. Holtby's erratic play doesn't help either.

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ive said this before. boudreau is George Allen. Oates comes out of the Tom Landry vein. One believes the game is about emotion. The other beliefs the emotion is the beginning of most things bad.

people ripped boudreau for yelling and cursing and cheering and jumping up and down. now here we have the opposite.

also...we are ripping Oates as a loser while the team is on a 14-6-4 run. they are 6th in the conference with games in hand on 5th, 7th and 8th. they have done this largely with 3 rookie defensemen playing with a young goalie.

meanwhile the caps most important players, save for mike green, are playing up to their capabilities or better. this includes qualify contributions from chimera and ward and grabovski.

I think you can make a case that the team and its coach are doing just fine. they are getting incrementally better with plenty of time left yet to get it right. I expect better but also see they have plenty of time to get there.

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12-22-2013, 02:29 PM
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ive said this before. boudreau is George Allen. Oates comes out of the Tom Landry vein. One believes the game is about emotion. The other beliefs the emotion is the beginning of most things bad.

people ripped boudreau for yelling and cursing and cheering and jumping up and down. now here we have the opposite.

also...we are ripping Oates as a loser while the team is on a 14-6-4 run. they are 6th in the conference with games in hand on 5th, 7th and 8th. they have done this largely with 3 rookie defensemen playing with a young goalie.

meanwhile the caps most important players, save for mike green, are playing up to their capabilities or better. this includes qualify contributions from chimera and ward and grabovski.

I think you can make a case that the team and its coach are doing just fine. they are getting incrementally better with plenty of time left yet to get it right. I expect better but also see they have plenty of time to get there.
They are consistently dominated for long stretches of time in every single game. Carolina absolutely dominated them last night on ES and against NJ we saw that same thing after the first period. In the first few minutes of the 2nd period team just collapsed and i think shots were 9-0 to NJ before there were even 5 minutes gone of that period.

That is a very worrying sight and Oates doesn't seem capable of fixing it.

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They are 15th in the league overall and bottom of the barrel in ROW's amongst playoff teams.

Oates' hand has been forced by player agents and I would say those moves are working for the better. When Laich comes back it will be interesting to see who sits. Erat? Brouwer?

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Do the people that keep posting the Capitals record (which is significantly biased with shootout wins and has basically no regular wins over any playoff teams) ever watch this team play? I can't wait to see the excuses when the Capitals get bounced in the first round again.

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Do the people that keep posting the Capitals record (which is significantly biased with shootout wins and has basically no regular wins over any playoff teams) ever watch this team play? I can't wait to see the excuses when the Capitals get bounced in the first round again.
Well good teams get bounced in the first round sometimes so maybe the caps will be just a good team that didn't get playoff lucky

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These comments are funny. People ready to burn Oates at the stake, even so much so that they want Hunter hockey back. 30G Ovy comes with that.....

Love me some Huntsie, but no thx.

Oates is trying to treat the players like consummate pros , but he's got the wrong group of guys to play that game. Bruce tried it, eventually realized this group can't handle that kind of freedom, tried to reel it in, and failed. Oates seems more and more like Boudreau in a more attractive, younger package, with less success(so far). As long as he's got them in a playoff spot, not much to do now IMO.
Show me one successful high end team in the league that gets treated like "consummate pros" and has on ice success. Closest you'll find is Pittsburgh and even their team playoff play since the cup r un speaks for itself. Pretty much every consistently good team gets worked by their coach and worked hard.

Hunter is proof that you can in fact get discipline and sacrifice out of this group if you know how to do it. This team will make the playoffs with any loosey-goosey coach simply on the shoulders of Ovechkin and Backstrom. Oates is proof of that. Beyond that, they're not going anywhere. Because every team is made up of "professionals". And if you have a team made up of professionals being pushed vs a team made up of professionals not being pushed, the former will always end up going further. It's basic human psychology ffs.

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Show me one successful high end team in the league that gets treated like "consummate pros" and has on ice success. Closest you'll find is Pittsburgh and even their team playoff play since the cup r un speaks for itself. Pretty much every consistently good team gets worked by their coach and worked hard.

Hunter is proof that you can in fact get discipline and sacrifice out of this group if you know how to do it. This team will make the playoffs with any loosey-goosey coach simply on the shoulders of Ovechkin and Backstrom. Oates is proof of that. Beyond that, they're not going anywhere. Because every team is made up of "professionals". And if you have a team made up of professionals being pushed vs a team made up of professionals not being pushed, the former will always end up going further. It's basic human psychology ffs.
Well said. The fact that management and the coaching staff don't seem alarmed at all by the play of this team is a huge sign of incompetence. The organization keeps taking one step back every single year.

The worst thing to me right now is how well Cooper has the Lightning playing. They are missing their best player in Stamkos and haven't slowed down. You take Ovechkin off this team for that long of a stretch and we are in the bottom 5 teams in the league.

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I'm still trying to figure out what this strict, besides Fehr at this point anyway, adherence to the wingers and defensemen all being on their strong side is getting the team?

If there was some high level of execution that allowed them to consistently come out of their zone under control and build enough speed through the neutral zone that it forced the defense to give up the blueline so they could enter the zone under control I would understand it. But their level of execution is poor at best and all they can do offensively is dump and chase. Is that really dependent on everyone playing on their strong side?

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