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12-17-2013, 01:12 PM
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I'm gonna catch heat for this but I don't understand the Pouliot hate. He's the perfect third liner.
Then why is he on his 5th team in 6 years?

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Then why is he on his 5th team in 6 years?
He's coveted.

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Sometimes we have more than one enigma... certainly Christensen, Lisin, Zherdev deserve to be on the island of misfit toys.

Who could forget the "shootout" 4th line of Wolski-Christensen-Zuccarello?
Zherdev was actually pretty good. Christensen less so, and Lisin just sucked all the time, so I wouldn't call him an enigma, per se.

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Christensen definitely had some good stretches for the Rangers.

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I think we're seeing the end of Pouliot on the grinder line. He hasn't sparked any offense out of guys like Boyle and Pyatt, and he's not up to the task defensively. He'll move up and he'll probably stay up.

I'm actually not sure if leaving that role is a good thing for his career - with his size, speed and ability, if he can tune up his defensive coverage a bit and get the stick penalties and the awful low-percentage decisions with the puck in his own zone beaten out of him, he can stay around in the NHL until his legs go. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get with these kinds of guys. For a year, maybe even two, he'll be the same weird floater here as he's been in however many other towns.

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I think we're seeing the end of Pouliot on the grinder line. He hasn't sparked any offense out of guys like Boyle and Pyatt, and he's not up to the task defensively. He'll move up and he'll probably stay up.

I'm actually not sure if leaving that role is a good thing for his career - with his size, speed and ability, if he can tune up his defensive coverage a bit and get the stick penalties and the awful low-percentage decisions with the puck in his own zone beaten out of him, he can stay around in the NHL until his legs go. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get with these kinds of guys. For a year, maybe even two, he'll be the same weird floater here as he's been in however many other towns.
He does have the skillset (although not in huge quantities). I think AV wnats that out of him.

Like someone else posted, he has to be with the right players to get him the puck. Afterwards, he can shoot.
His speed is useful, and the closest comparable on our team is Kreider and Hagelin... he's more talented stick-wise, and just as fast as him. Hags has the edge on the penalty kill, and Kreider is a rookie so I won't compare.

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Christensen definitely had some good stretches for the Rangers.
About as many as Hossa had. A stretch of 3-4 games of very good play, followed by 5 of completely mediocre, followed by 10 of invisibility.

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Like someone else posted, he has to be with the right players to get him the puck.
Clearly the problem his entire career is that he has never played with players who can get him the puck.

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Like someone else posted, he has to be with the right players to get him the puck.
5 teams in 6 seasons and nobody has managed to find the right players to get him the puck?

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It's still too early to give up on Poo this season he has at least shown flashes of some skill. I think AV has made it a personal challenge to turn this guy into a better NHL player.

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5 teams in 6 seasons and nobody has managed to find the right players to get him the puck?
He was very productive at even strength with Montreal, Boston and Tampa Bay.

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I wouldn't even call him an enigma tbh. At least these other guys mentioned could show up in stretches and be useful, Pou has yet to really do that.

Would love to see him manage to do something more consistently though and help the team, but I doubt it.

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He was very productive at even strength with Montreal, Boston and Tampa Bay.
You keep mentioning that. Yet innate talent has never translated into great production.

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I was a big fan of the Benoit Pouliot signing. Obviously the 5 teams in 6 years was a big red flag, but I really liked him in his draft year and the 5-10 games a year I'd see him he'd always look good. For every time I was 'right' Tarasenko and Getzlaf…. I've also been way off - Olesz, and Pouliot.

As for enigmas - the mighty 3 games for the reclamation of Fedor Fedorov come to mind. Also, Daigle, Hossa (hated his game), and the second stint of Jan Hlavac.

As for Zherdev, he was an enigma every place he'd been, but I actually thought that he played really well here. Of course the loss of Tyutin mars his contribution…

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It wouldn't be a Rangers roster without at least one former first round enigma. Sprinkle in the occasional malcontent, such as Quintal or Kotalik, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

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It's still too early to give up on Poo this season he has at least shown flashes of some skill. I think AV has made it a personal challenge to turn this guy into a better NHL player.
Rangers track record of turning career fringe players into useful everyday players is sterling.

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It wouldn't be a Rangers roster without at least one former first round enigma. Sprinkle in the occasional malcontent, such as Quintal or Kotalik, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
Two more highly skilled enigmas not mentioned:

One of recent vintage: Enver Lisin
One from Neil Smith era: Valeri Kamensky

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Rangers track record of turning career fringe players into useful everyday players is sterling.
I'm not happy with his play, but I still think that he has more to offer than a Pyatt or Asham… that's not saying a lot, but that's what the team has right now…

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You keep mentioning that. Yet innate talent has never translated into great production.
It seems to be falling on deaf ears.

Why does he need to be great? Are the Rangers that high ranking that they cannot put up with just good?

He's an underachiever, likely always will be, but that doesn't mean there's no place for him in an NHL lineup.

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I wouldn't even call him an enigma tbh. At least these other guys mentioned could show up in stretches and be useful, Pou has yet to really do that.

Would love to see him manage to do something more consistently though and help the team, but I doubt it.
The other thing is that enigmas are at least somewhat expected to live up to their skillset/draft position. Nobody with any brains ever expected that out of Pouliot here. The real problem has been that he hasn't done here what he has been able to do everywhere else, which is put up solid 3rd line skill-guy numbers on 3rd line minutes.

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You keep mentioning that. Yet innate talent has never translated into great production.
So what? If the player was brought in to do what he's done elsewhere, what does it matter that his innate talent has never translated? He's brought to do a job. That job is not to be a highly productive player, but produce decently for a 3rd liner. He's not doing that either, but all the talk of how much skill he has is really besides the point. He's enigmatic in the sense that he isn't doing what he's already proven capable of, not in the sense that he should be able to do more than he's done in the past.

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