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12-17-2013, 08:01 PM
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The simplicity of it all should indicate how wrong you actually are.

Truly - its not like NHL2014 video game.

You did know that Grabovski did not want to play a 3rd line role again right? With RNH and Gagner ahead of him, there's no chance that Grabovski would sign in Edmonton.
But if Gagner is moved. Hmmmm...

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12-17-2013, 08:12 PM
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Had to see if it would work.

Various trades:
Gagner for N. Foligno
Acquired Abdel from DET for Hemsky + etc.

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Probably wouldn't be resigning Yak though lol.

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12-17-2013, 08:18 PM
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Don't want Grabovski. Enough small forwards as is.

I don't care if we move Gagner. I still don't want him.

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12-17-2013, 08:19 PM
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To fix the D, ideally we have the chance to throw cash at both MacDonald and Girardi in free agency. Then trade for a D-man like MDZ.

MacDonald-Girardi
MDZ-Petry
Ference-Schultz
Larsen

Will never compare to a top D in the NHL, but should be a handy upgrade over this seasons unit.

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12-17-2013, 08:42 PM
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Had to see if it would work.

DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.500m) / Anton Belov ($2.025m)
Dan Girardi ($3.500m) / Jeff Petry ($2.750m)
Andrew Ference ($3.250m) / Justin Schultz ($2.250m)
Taylor Fedun ($0.709m) /
You'd really have Belov as the top pairing RD? How about:

Phaneuf - Girardi
Ference - Petry
Belov - Schultz
Fedun

Only problem is I don't see Belov coming back for bottom pairing money next year if he can get a better offer somewhere else…like the KHL.

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12-17-2013, 08:46 PM
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To fix the D, ideally we have the chance to throw cash at both MacDonald and Girardi in free agency. Then trade for a D-man like MDZ.

MacDonald-Girardi
MDZ-Petry
Ference-Schultz
Larsen

Will never compare to a top D in the NHL, but should be a handy upgrade over this seasons unit.
That looks very much better than what we have now. I wouldn't mind at all

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12-17-2013, 08:50 PM
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The simplicity of it all should indicate how wrong you actually are.

Truly - its not like NHL2014 video game.

You did know that Grabovski did not want to play a 3rd line role again right? With RNH and Gagner ahead of him, there's no chance that Grabovski would sign in Edmonton.
Gagner shouldn't be a center anyways

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12-17-2013, 08:51 PM
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Don't want Grabovski. Enough small forwards as is.

I don't care if we move Gagner. I still don't want him.
would quickly, quickly, and easily become best 2nd line centre this team has seen in years. Crushes Gagner in every way possible, plus he's a bridge player who's at a good point in his career (29 years old). These team needs quality veterans and he is one.

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Wasn't reported here, but Michael Abbamont (pro scout for Oilers) is at the Panthers vs Leafs game.

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12-17-2013, 09:09 PM
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Wasn't reported here, but Michael Abbamont (pro scout for Oilers) is at the Panthers vs Leafs game.
Probably scouting popcorn makers for Justin Schultz

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12-17-2013, 09:23 PM
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You'd really have Belov as the top pairing RD? How about:

Phaneuf - Girardi
Ference - Petry
Belov - Schultz
Fedun

Only problem is I don't see Belov coming back for bottom pairing money next year if he can get a better offer somewhere else…like the KHL.
Where they are on the capgeek is irrelevant, it just puts em on their respective wings. Any how Belov will stay, he had more money in the KHL this year too. The guy is determined to be a better player. He will get a raise here so probably would stay.

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12-17-2013, 09:40 PM
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MacT, you stay away from that Clarkson contract. Don't listen to anything Nonis says.

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12-17-2013, 09:44 PM
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Don't want Grabovski. Enough small forwards as is.

I don't care if we move Gagner. I still don't want him.
Heh. Oh man. Grabovski was one of the EC's best shutdown C's last season (and the one before it) playing that line with MacArthur and Kulemin. He's also on pace for like 70 odd points this season.

You're right. Why the hell would we want a player like that, he's way too good to play here.

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12-17-2013, 09:59 PM
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Where they are on the capgeek is irrelevant, it just puts em on their respective wings. Any how Belov will stay, he had more money in the KHL this year too. The guy is determined to be a better player. He will get a raise here so probably would stay.
Ahhh, I see. I thought you were arranging the D-pairings that way.

As far as Belov goes, he left that money on the table to try his luck in the best league in the world. I highly doubt that being a healthy scratch on one of the worst teams in the league is what he had in mind.

If he doesn't get a healthy raise (which I highly doubt is going to happen) I don't see him coming back.

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MacT, you stay away from that Clarkson contract. Don't listen to anything Nonis says.
If he didn't have a modified NTC, NMC I'd actually be worried that MacT was trying to get him from the Leafs.

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12-17-2013, 10:18 PM
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Eberle + klefbom + N. Schultz or Belov + Arcobello for Couturier + Simmonds
I don't like this trade that much, I'm not sold on Couturier in a top 6 role he looks to be a really good 3rd liner with fringe 2nd line offense. I'm thinking more like a Jordan Staal kind of player, obviously we could use the size and more good two way players would be awesome, but he's not really fast and although I'm not entirely sure it is the best thing for us, I really want us to be a fast team and the core we have is well suited to this kind of game.

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Gagner + Yakupov for Brouwer + Alzner or Carlson
Brouwer is kind of overrated, I think he would fall into that disappointing big man category like the few other big bodies we have had pass through town. I don't see Washington parting with either of those two defensemen either, they are trying to be competitive now and this kind of trade would set them back. I also see Carlson as being worth more than Alzner due to being more well rounded, I'm a huge Alzner fan and his contract is ridiculously good value, but despite him being a very strong defensive player, it seems like a mistake to trade Yakupov for someone who plays a pretty one dimensional defensive role. We could get a veteran stay at home guy for a lot lower cost than Yakupov.
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Hemsky + Prospect + 3rd for Matthias + 2nd
Meh. I've already made my peace with Hemsky leaving so, we just get what we can get. I'm not sure Florida will be the team that will come calling considering where they are in the standings.

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12-17-2013, 10:26 PM
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Agreed with Burnt, Florida wouldn't be interested in Hemsky

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12-17-2013, 10:34 PM
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Wasn't reported here, but Michael Abbamont (pro scout for Oilers) is at the Panthers vs Leafs game.
does Toronto want Hemsky? or Gagner? florida might want our first rounder. forgot anything bold

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12-17-2013, 10:42 PM
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It's funny, when you take away everything else, we're a bad team that's not doing anything to get better. It's like if you've been sick for three weeks but you won't see a doctor because things will "sort themselves out."

It's pretty simple... We need to get better defensively. Sadly, trading for a defenceman is too bold for old MacT.
great point. its obvious, but not pointed out by many. the waiting is what has me pulling my hairs. if Mact can do something at the TDL and off season, then i suppose it will be worth it (or at least forgivable).

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I don't like this trade that much, I'm not sold on Couturier in a top 6 role he looks to be a really good 3rd liner with fringe 2nd line offense. I'm thinking more like a Jordan Staal kind of player, obviously we could use the size and more good two way players would be awesome, but he's not really fast and although I'm not entirely sure it is the best thing for us, I really want us to be a fast team and the core we have is well suited to this kind of game.


Brouwer is kind of overrated, I think he would fall into that disappointing big man category like the few other big bodies we have had pass through town. I don't see Washington parting with either of those two defensemen either, they are trying to be competitive now and this kind of trade would set them back. I also see Carlson as being worth more than Alzner due to being more well rounded, I'm a huge Alzner fan and his contract is ridiculously good value, but despite him being a very strong defensive player, it seems like a mistake to trade Yakupov for someone who plays a pretty one dimensional defensive role. We could get a veteran stay at home guy for a lot lower cost than Yakupov.

Meh. I've already made my peace with Hemsky leaving so, we just get what we can get. I'm not sure Florida will be the team that will come calling considering where they are in the standings.


Couturier will find the offensive game eventually, but it's his excellent two way play and shutdown skills that make him a great fit on our 2nd line. He is still only 21 years old and playing with some of our offensive players he would develop that part of his game. I see him on the same kind of career trajectory as Jordan Staal.

Brouwer is still under 30 he has been underwhleming this season after a fairly good season last year, with the emergence of another big body RW in Tom Wilson the caps could look to move Brouwer and clear cap space. He is a big body who checks, has a solid two way game and the potential to score 20-25 goals a season. Even if he doesn't produce in the top 6 he is an ideal fit on the third line and with the cap going up his 3.6 hit would still be manageable.

I also agree I don't think the Caps trade Alzner or Carlson but you never know Mcphee did trade Filip Forsberg for Erat so… if he thinks he can get good value he might pull the trigger. I would rather Alzner then carlson because he would be the easier target. what you call 1 dimensional I call playing a safe simple solid game. He rarely makes mistakes in his own end, he is a big minute guy and great at shutting guys down. He also makes a good first pass and his offence is starting to pick up. All that mixed with the fact he is still young and on a great contract.

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12-18-2013, 12:53 AM
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Gagner needs to go. Small, brutal in faceoffs, brutal defensively, lazy.. not the right 2 center for this team at all.

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It looks like a top 3 pick this year so do NOT trade it!!! Not with a franchise center or Dman up for grabs.

Also I think we offer J Shultz to Philly for Couturier. They need a puck moving Dman in the worst way and we need centers

I would also trade Hemmer for stastny from the Avs. Both are ufas next year but we would have 1st crack to sign him. The Avs could use a winger and we need nhl centers. He could take the #1 center possition so RNH can develop without so much pressure

Phaneuf is the guy I hope the Oil get next year. You know we will have Nurse next year also which means we should move N Schultz at the deadline.

I hope Klefbom starts in the AHL next year but is playing for the club by Christmas

I would Gagner +NSchultz to Florida for Kulikov

I hope Smyth retires

Whoever we draft this year, we should send back for 1 year even if it looks like they can play

Hall Stastny Perron
TBA RNH Eberle
Yak Gordon Couturier
Gazdic Arcobello Pitlick/Joensuu

Phaneuf Petry
Ference Nurse
Belov Kulikov
Larson

Bryz
TBA

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couturier is what this team would need. You could put him with eberle and yakupov and that line would soar.

But Coots isn't going anywhere, might be the flyers most important all around forward. Just look at the minutes he has played compared to giroux.


Step 1 needs to be just get rid of gagner. Any asset at this point will be a good one. The rangers are desperate for offense , how about gagner for MDZ, id add to that too to get mdz.

Step 2. I am wondering if the Oilers should make a splash And sign a number 1 center like Thornton or trade for Spezza. IF one of those two centers could play top line minutes RNH could tear it up in a secondary role and still be the pp specialist.

Step 3. Get Ekblad - tank if u have to, He could come in next year and play 22 minutes a night

Step 4. Extend Bryz on a 2 year deal, but also trade for a young goalie that can develop in those two years and take over for bryz. Scrivens, martin jones, Jack campbell, etc.

a top 6 of

hall Thornton Perron
yak RNH eberle

and a first two pairings of

Ekblad mdz
Schultz Petry


that is a playoff team.

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I honestly would be willing to offer Thornton 9 million/year for 2 years (or whatever the max annual salary is) if he was willing to sign here but I don't see it happening.

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I don't want Ekblad. I'm not waiting on another 18 year old again and again.

If we get a high pick, that should be beautiful incentive for a team to finally move us a good D-man. New names always open up closer to summer. MacT should be gunning HARD for Campbell at half price, Ehrhoff, Byfuglien, Yandle, and Phaneuf in free agency. You aren't getting a No.1 D-man, but you can land a pretty sweet No.2 or even 2 No.2s if you use your assets correctly.

Weber is going to cost the moon, so I don't want to grab him. Subban as an RFA is something to keep an eye on, because I would definitely consider offer sheeting him to the moon OR at least threatening offer sheet and offering guys like Eberle, Schultz, Ekblad etc. to see if I can entice MTL to move him.

If Dion re-signs in Toronto, which I'm guessing he could soon, then we HAVE to go trade, and if this is the case, then that pick has to be moved. No way around it.

The D needs a massive overhaul. We're talking Petry/JSchultz/Ference being the only "maybes" to remain, and even then, I'd be willing to move all 3 if the return was right. Goalies I wouldn't mind re-signing Dubnyk and Bryzgalov to free up money to spend on D, but I have a feeling they will spend here and regret it later. As for forwards, the bottom six needs yet another retool, and our C's need an overhaul. Lots of work to do. Gagner is clearly a winger, not a C, and Arcobello despite the hard effort is too small to be an effective top sixer, he's more of a Kyle Wellwood type of player. We need a No.2 C. I'd also re-sign Hemsky, because Yakupov's inconsistency needs some shelter just in case it continues, and Hemsky can provide offense when Yak isn't.

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12-18-2013, 04:47 AM
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Gagner needs to go. Small, brutal in faceoffs, brutal defensively, lazy.. not the right 2 center for this team at all.
this was known 3 seasons ago at minimum but people kept saying "he's only ____ years old" every single year that he was terrible in all the same things you listed.

+ can't generate his own offense to stir the pot as a center
+ massive feast and famine player. huge stretches of nothing and then turn it on when the season is already out of sight in the final couple weeks... getting top line minutes.
+ one OK season
+ overpaid
+ gets every excuse in the book on why he isnt better from media and fanboys
+ currently -64 career (who cares really)

i bet his game would fit better in the softer East Coast - a tiny bit

i'd be amazed if a GM actually scouted his game with a sober analysis and was suckered into taking him for anything substantial

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