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09-04-2013, 06:15 PM
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Perhaps I didn't word it correctly or you skipped over it Bluesfan but the by-law was passed in 1999 as I posted below. England/Wales/Scotland and Northern Ireland have all been in UEFA/FIFA long before 1999.

Gibraltar recently won in court to be included because when they applied for membership it was just before 1999 and the judge who ruled on the case this year said based on the application prior to the 1999 vote which changed things around (mostly to appease Spain) was good enough for Gibraltar to join UEFA.
I just didn't think of it being grandfathered in. That makes sense then.

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09-04-2013, 06:27 PM
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Tell me what's wrong with it.

The way I see it, it's an effective method of getting rid of the pointless games against minnows everyone always takes the **** out of while allowing them to still be part of the competition.

Qualifying for Euro 2016 is going to be quite easy anyway, with 23 spots available pretty much every decent national side in UEFA is going to be there.
The problem is where do you draw the line?

You say it gets rid of pointless games, but then go on to say that it's easy to qualify for the big teams. England, Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy et al will all find it easy to win the groups, so be definition all their games will be pointless too. Should we then just have them skip all the qualifying and have the likes of Denmark, Greece and Sweden battle it out for the lower spots? It's no difference than just locking the minos out, but you'd never suggest it.


Even ignoring that, I've got no clue why you'd ever want to remove the romance from the game. Everyone plays everyone. It's how it should be done everywhere. I can't wait for the year when England draws Gibraltar and I get to hop over to the Rock for the game. It'll be an amazing game and I hope happens soon.

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09-04-2013, 06:54 PM
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Tell me what's wrong with it.

The way I see it, it's an effective method of getting rid of the pointless games against minnows everyone always takes the **** out of while allowing them to still be part of the competition.

Qualifying for Euro 2016 is going to be quite easy anyway, with 23 spots available pretty much every decent national side in UEFA is going to be there.
It might seem pointless to you but it does wonders for the nations playing the big teams. It also raises the profile of football in said nation and helps keep it at the top of their agenda giving the people that want to play professionally the chance. The sight of seeing Accountants and Plumbers going up against the likes of Robben is a charming one to me.

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09-04-2013, 08:03 PM
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The problem is where do you draw the line?

You say it gets rid of pointless games, but then go on to say that it's easy to qualify for the big teams. England, Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy et al will all find it easy to win the groups, so be definition all their games will be pointless too. Should we then just have them skip all the qualifying and have the likes of Denmark, Greece and Sweden battle it out for the lower spots? It's no difference than just locking the minos out, but you'd never suggest it.


Even ignoring that, I've got no clue why you'd ever want to remove the romance from the game. Everyone plays everyone. It's how it should be done everywhere. I can't wait for the year when England draws Gibraltar and I get to hop over to the Rock for the game. It'll be an amazing game and I hope happens soon.
You draw the line at micro-states who end every qualifying campaign with a handful of points at most and an absurdly negative goal difference. That's what the coefficients and rankings would be for, and how they are used. I don't see how it's different than using seedings for qualifying or group stage draws. You're separating teams based on strength anyway. You draw the line the same way UEFA and FIFA draw the line for their draws.

And no, that wasn't the meaning of my comment about the qualification for Euro 2016. I didn't say it was easy to qualify for just the big teams, I said pretty much every decent team, which includes the likes of Greece, Sweden, and Denmark (and worse) is going to make it because of the large number of spots available. It was more a criticism of the expansion of the tournament. Furthermore, it wouldn't be the same because even the top teams aren't practically guaranteed to blow out every other team below them every game. It's not a matter of "oh, they're just going to win anyway, let them through". It's a matter of increasing the quality of the competition. I know many South Americans who scoff at the European qualifying campaign because of the fact that the top teams get a pass by getting drawn into groups with countries far below their stature. Which speaks to your second point:

Everyone doesn't play everyone. Everyone can't play everyone because draws are divided based on rankings. The only place this does happen is in CONMEBOL, which if you notice, although it has a diversity in the quality of teams much like UEFA, has none of the micro-state minnows who lose every game that UEFA does. It's widely recognized that it has the toughest qualifying cycle. To be fair, part of the reason they are able to do that is because of the smaller number of teams. However, if this format was introduced, the final stage would yield smaller groups but much more equal competition, just like Asia's qualifying campaign. Otherwise the only truly "romantic" way qualifying could be was if there was an open draw and everyone really could be drawn into the same group as anyone else.

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Europe has the depth to send 24 good teams to the tournament.

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Not yet 100% official but multiple sources have stated that the 2016 qualifiers won't have drastic changes. The qualifying will consist of 9 groups of 6 teams with the top 2 in each group qualifying + best third-place team. The other 8 third place team compete in playoffs.

Only change they have made is that the hosts, France, will be included in the qualifying draw so they can play competitive matches. They will be in Euro 2016 no matter what their results are but I don't know what happens to the other teams in their group

Once again this isn't official, but some news sources have reported this

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11-19-2013, 05:37 PM
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Since Sweden are out of the World Cup, I guess this is my new home for a while?

Anyway, I'd love to get drawn against Gibraltar.

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Not yet 100% official but multiple sources have stated that the 2016 qualifiers won't have drastic changes. The qualifying will consist of 9 groups of 6 teams with the top 2 in each group qualifying + best third-place team. The other 8 third place team compete in playoffs.

Only change they have made is that the hosts, France, will be included in the qualifying draw so they can play competitive matches. They will be in Euro 2016 no matter what their results are but I don't know what happens to the other teams in their group

Once again this isn't official, but some news sources have reported this
I like the idea of france still playing competitive matches, but if they're guaranteed progress to the Euros, would their results just get ignored for qualifying?

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Since Sweden are out of the World Cup, I guess this is my new home for a while?

Anyway, I'd love to get drawn against Gibraltar.
Same.

Speaking of Gibraltar, they drew 0-0 against Slovakia tonight. There first ever game.

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10 months till the qualifiers start again

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10 months till the qualifiers start again
10 months during which Finland won't lose a qualifier.

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I like the idea of france still playing competitive matches, but if they're guaranteed progress to the Euros, would their results just get ignored for qualifying?
Yes, but like I said still not official, they are discussing it

Anyway the pots are pretty much known, looks like Bosnia will be seeded ahead of both Ukraine and Croatia who needed to win both legs of their playoffs to surpass them

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10 months during which Finland won't lose a qualifier.
With an easy group, we could qualify.

I know many Finns disagree with that, but Iceland got to the second round. Why couldn't we? We need a lucky draw, and Mixu to scrap the Xmas tree and play extremely defensively (like we did during Hodgson's era).

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With an easy group, we could qualify.

I know many Finns disagree with that, but Iceland got to the second round. Why couldn't we? We need a lucky draw, and Mixu to scrap the Xmas tree and play extremely defensively (like we did during Hodgson's era).
With a 24 team tournament, I see the Finns having a pretty decent chance given a good draw. We should also see some teams involved that don't qualify much, like Hungary, Iceland, maybe even Scotland and Wales! Will be interesting.

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Am I weird for enjoying the draws more the matches?

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With a 24 team tournament, I see the Finns having a pretty decent chance given a good draw. We should also see some teams involved that don't qualify much, like Hungary, Iceland, maybe even Scotland and Wales! Will be interesting.
Israel maybe also. Would love to see them in it.

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Yes, but like I said still not official, they are discussing it

Anyway the pots are pretty much known, looks like Bosnia will be seeded ahead of both Ukraine and Croatia who needed to win both legs of their playoffs to surpass them
So would france then go in accord to their pot leaving one group open for lesser teams to get through, or would they go in as a bottom seed?

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With a 24 team tournament, I see the Finns having a pretty decent chance given a good draw. We should also see some teams involved that don't qualify much, like Hungary, Iceland, maybe even Scotland and Wales! Will be interesting.
Finland never has a good draw.

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Finland never has a good draw.
There's always a first time! Even without a good draw, Finland can still finish third and make the playoffs.

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Spain
Germany
Portugal
Italy
Belgium
France
England
Switzerland
Netherlands
Russia

Croatia
Bosnia
Greece
Ukraine
Denmark
Sweden
Poland
Czech Republic



Armenia
Serbia
Slovenia
Turkey
Austria
Romania
Montenegro
Wales
Slovakia
Scottland
Hungary

Should be very interesting to see who the final 6 teams are.

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Top two from each group and the best team in third place advance. The other eight play-off for the final four spots.

Pot 1: Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Bosnia-Herzegovina
Pot 2: Croatia, Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Hungary, Republic of Ireland
Pot 3: Serbia, Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, Norway, Slovakia, Romania, Austria, Montenegro
Pot 4: Armenia, Poland, Scotland, Finland, Latvia, Wales, Bulgaria, Estonia, Belarus
Pot 5: Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Lithuania, Moldova, FYR Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus
Pot 6: Luxembourg, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, Malta, Andorra, San Marino, Gibraltar

Rank - Previous Rank - Team - Points

1 1 Spain 42158
2 2 Germany 41365
3 3 Netherlands 38541
4 4 Italy 35343
5 5 England 34885
6 7 Portugal 34448
7 8 Greece 33674
8 6 Russia 32946
9 9 Bosnia-Herzegovina 31416
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10 14 Croatia 30785
11 12 Ukraine 30635
12 10 Sweden 30245
13 11 Denmark 29660
14 13 Switzerland 29572
15 15 Belgium 28732
16 16 Czech Republic 28234
17 17 Hungary 27802
18 18 Republic of Ireland 26733
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19 19 Serbia 25985
20 20 Turkey 25955
21 21 Slovenia 25835
22 22 Israel 25442
23 23 Norway 25341
24 24 Slovakia 25333
25 25 Romania 25171
26 26 Austria 24572
27 27 Montenegro 22991
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28 28 Armenia 22861
29 29 Poland 22464
30 30 Scotland 22233
31 31 Finland 22001
32 32 Latvia 20771
33 33 Wales 20551
34 34 Bulgaria 20391
35 35 Estonia 19988
36 36 Belarus 19646
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37 39 Iceland 19376
38 37 Northern Ireland 19201
39 38 Albania 19151
40 40 Lithuania 19026
41 41 Moldova 18301
42 42 FYR Macedonia 17376
43 43 Azerbaijan 16901
44 44 Georgia 16766
45 45 Cyprus 14236
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46 46 Luxembourg 14050
47 47 Kazakhstan 13961
48 48 Liechtenstein 12220
49 49 Faroe Islands 11751
50 50 Malta 10740
51 51 Andorra 8560
52 52 San Marino 7420
53 53 Gibraltar 0

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Russia, Hungary, Israel, Latvia, Lithuania, Faroe Islands.

Sounds good for the Russians

Russia, Belgium, Turkey, Scotland, Iceland, Kazahkstan

This would be bad

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Thrilled to be in pot 1. Practically guarantees us a spot at the Euro's. Disappointed that UEFA chose to dilute the tournament as much as they are doing at the moment, but oh well.

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No real changes to the qualifying format

There will be 9 groups where the group winners and runners-up qualify automatically and the best third placed team qualifies automatically as well. The remaining 8 third place teams will play in a playoff. The qualifying draw takes place February 23, 2014.

Only change is the dates of the fixtures, instead of Friday/Tuesday fixtures they will be more spread out, with matches returning on the weekends, but matches can take place on Monday's as well. Every international break in UEFA matches can take place from Thursday to Tuesday.

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The official pots are out

Pot 1: Spain (holders), Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Pot 2: Ukraine, Croatia, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Hungary, Republic of Ireland

Pot 3: Serbia, Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, Norway, Slovakia, Romania, Austria, Poland

Pot 4: Montenegro, Armenia, Scotland, Finland, Latvia, Wales, Bulgaria, Estonia, Belarus

Pot 5: Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Lithuania, Moldova, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus

Pot 6: Luxembourg, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, Malta, Andorra, San Marino, Gibraltar

Also, France will be involved in the qualifying round but their results will "not count" and will be technically friendly matches. France will be automatically put into the group with 5 teams while the other 9 will have 6 teams

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