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12-18-2013, 10:39 AM
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Yes, he is an NHL player. One that cannot stick to a team. 5 teams in 6 years decided that they were better off without him. What does that tell you?
Nothing at all. For example, Tampa spent their money they wanted to spend in the offseason on Filppula. That's not an indictment of Pouliot. Neither is Montreal spending money on Cole instead. The cap was going down after his season in Boston.

In other words, there are other circumstances that have to do with why he's left. Yes, he's underachieved compared to his draft position. Yes, those teams chose to spend money elsewhere. That doesn't mean they couldn't wait to get rid of the guy. Hell, for all we know he's really weird and just loves 1 year deals.

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12-18-2013, 10:55 AM
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
According to no dictionary anywhere...

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What is it that tells you that AV is the ONE coach who can get Poulliot to play to potential?
If AV could get Pouliot to play at the level his last three coaches have, that would be super.

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Yes, he is an NHL player. One that cannot stick to a team. 5 teams in 6 years decided that they were better off without him. What does that tell you?
Well you're counting the Rangers in that, and they haven't made that decision as of yet.

Teams are afraid of arbitration, it's why Pouliot has a bad track record of receiving qualifying offers. Same reason many here declared it to be a mistake to qualify Zuccarello, as ridiculous as that was.

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12-18-2013, 11:25 AM
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If Pouliot could cut down on the going offsides by a mile shtick, that would be great

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12-18-2013, 11:37 AM
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Nothing at all. For example, Tampa spent their money they wanted to spend in the offseason on Filppula. That's not an indictment of Pouliot. Neither is Montreal spending money on Cole instead. The cap was going down after his season in Boston.
I find it more than a coincidence that he cannot stick to an NHL team.
In other words, there are other circumstances that have to do with why he's left.
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Yes, he's underachieved compared to his draft position. Yes, those teams chose to spend money elsewhere. That doesn't mean they couldn't wait to get rid of the guy.
I do not care about his draft position. What I care about is that teams have not found him good enough for him to stick with. They have found better ways to spend money. Sather has not.
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Hell, for all we know he's really weird and just loves 1 year deals.
He must be the one player in the entire league who does not want job security.

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12-18-2013, 11:42 AM
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According to no dictionary anywhere...
Call it conventional wisdom.
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If AV could get Pouliot to play at the level his last three coaches have, that would be super.
The same coaches who found his play so endearing that they decided to spend money elsewhere?
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Teams are afraid of arbitration, it's why Pouliot has a bad track record of receiving qualifying offers.
Teams have also not wanted him back, which is why he is on his 5th team in 6 years.

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12-18-2013, 12:02 PM
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Is Alexander Frolov's name banned from all Rangers boards. or does he just not fit into this category?

Every once in a while Erik Christensen would score a goal and I would just shake my head on how good the move or shot was. Then he would disappear again for the next 13 games until he did it again. If only the guy would've shown up with any kind of consistency. So fustrating.

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12-18-2013, 12:13 PM
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Call it conventional wisdom.
No.

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The same coaches who found his play so endearing that they decided to spend money elsewhere?
Well I think you're confused about a coach's duties.

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Teams have also not wanted him back, which is why he is on his 5th team in 6 years.
You don't know that. All we know is that teams weren't willing to pay arbitration prices.

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12-18-2013, 12:35 PM
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The Rangers should get an enigma enema. I'm less upset about the fact that Pouliot is playing the way he is than I am by the fact even though this franchise is in the midst of a 15 year long dearth of sufficient offensive talent, they continually acquire busted first rounders or borderline minor leaguers with flashes of skill. It hasn't fixed the problem yet, but maybe someday.

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Just realized something...

Crease essentially started a player discussion thread

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Just realized something...

Crease essentially started a player discussion thread
No, this thread has a premise

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No.
No, what? You have never heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
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Well I think you're confused about a coach's duties.
Do you not think that a coach has input if a player who just played for him is resigned? You believe that the last 3 coaches that he had all loved what he did and made staunch efforts to keep him and the evil GMs just did not listen?
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You don't know that. All we know is that teams weren't willing to pay arbitration prices.
So in 6 years, all the teams wanted him yet somehow, miraculously, NONE of them invited him back?

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Are we classifying brassard as an enigma?

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12-18-2013, 01:48 PM
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I wasn't excited over signing Pouliot because of his inconsistency and inability to find a permanent team. And I got blasted for it. Well he sucks this year and takes a boatload of stoopid penalties. Yay.

But I am surprised at how putrid he's been offensively. Just a little, but still surprised.


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No, what? You have never heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
I've heard that mistaken cited as the definition of insanity, yes.

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Do you not think that a coach has input if a player who just played for him is resigned? You believe that the last 3 coaches that he had all loved what he did and made staunch efforts to keep him and the evil GMs just did not listen?
Because everything is just that black and white....

I would suggest sometimes a coach would like a player back, but the GM decides it doesn't fit their salary structure. I'm crazy that way.

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So in 6 years, all the teams wanted him yet somehow, miraculously, NONE of them invited him back?
Again, you don't know that none of them invited him back.

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No, what? You have never heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
This is a pretty sili pop. quote thats reappared on the internet in the past few years. Its misattributed to Albert Einsten.

For maths and physics, I'd agree. For sports, not so much.

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No, what? You have never heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

A little off topic but I really hate that definition for insanity. Insanity to me is when a person can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy/delusion. Schizophrenia is insanity. Doing the same thing over and over in vein is stupidity.

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So in 6 years, all the teams wanted him yet somehow, miraculously, NONE of them invited him back?
He was resigned by both Minnesota and Montreal.

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I've heard that mistaken cited as the definition of insanity, yes.
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Because everything is just that black and white....

I would suggest sometimes a coach would like a player back, but the GM decides it doesn't fit their salary structure. I'm crazy that way.
Not everything, but the results speak for themselves. I find it hard to believe that in the last 6 years he was run out of town by the GM at all times.
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Again, you don't know that none of them invited him back.
What I do know is that he is on his 5th team on 6 years. Players that are wanted back typically do not have such a track record. And from what is seen on the ice, it is easy to see why.

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He was resigned by both Minnesota and Montreal.
5 teams in 6 years. Players that are wanted by teams do not change them this much.

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5 teams in 6 years. Players that are wanted by teams do not change them this much.
Joffrey Lupul was on 5 teams in 6 years. Players that are wanted by teams change them this much sometimes. We can debate this back and forth all we want regarding Pouliot speficially. All I'm saying is that simply stating "5 teams in 6 years" is not enough of a point of logic to be the end of the conversation. There can be other circumstances.

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All I'm saying is that simply stating "5 teams in 6 years" is not enough of a point of logic to be the end of the conversation. There can be other circumstances.
There can be other circumstances. Perhaps teams watch the way he plays and then realizes that his uninspired play generally outweighs his ES stats.

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All I'm saying is that simply stating "5 teams in 6 years" is not enough of a point of logic to be the end of the conversation. There can be other circumstances.
You are right. I more meant it as something that is indicative of teams viewing negatives more than positives in his play.

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Like I said... back and forth... forever.

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12-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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Don't look now, 6 points in 8 games

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He's been much better the last handful of games.

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