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12-19-2013, 01:58 PM
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while Briere continues to hold that torch high.
One of the rare instances in Habs history where "flailing hands" were the ones receiving the torch.

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wrote this in the GDT, guess should have posted it here...

Let me start by saying, I HATED the Briere signing, all summer I bashed this summer on this site, said we should have gotten a guy like Morrow who would have been cheaper, a 1 year deal and would fit better of what the teams needs, a guy that can be used in a bottom 6 role if he can't produce.

But with that said, the why Therrien has used Briere is a complete joke, I never if you wanted to sign the guy, put him in a spot to succeed.

He isn't a top line player anymore, so don't be surprised when you put him on a top line with Pacioretty and DD and have him go up against other teams top pair and see him not succeed.

The guy should be a 3rd line guy, with Eller and getting top pp minutes, playing on the left half way where he has had success in his career.

To be honest, I'm surprised he actually has 5 goals and 10 points in 26 games this year, thats on pace for about 15 goals I think, not bad for how **** how he has played.

Also after he came back from his injury, Therrien put him on LW with Plekanec, and Gionta, and why he was out of position, he actually did well, but since it was a time when we were playing the Caps, and Pens, and pretty good teams, whenever we got the lead, Therrien would take him off the line put him on the 4th line and put Moen (for defense) with Plekanec and Gionta, even tho Breire was producing.

Again I hate the player and signing, but since he is here and unlikely to go anywhere, put the guy in a position to succeed.
I ran the numbers on this a few pages back, and he and the line did quite well all things considered. Like you, I didn't like the signing but recognized he finally fit on a line, and the team whether or not they deserved it went 7 - 0 - 1 from being placed there to taken off. Not to give full credit to him or his line, but all 4 lines had good combinations. MT's usage of him was spot on. Took him off to shut down the game with the lead. Makes sense. And then MT decided to pee all overall that spot and today he's a scratch. Not sure how the coach doesn't recognize the only time this season he's been productive was with that line.

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12-19-2013, 02:09 PM
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They want him mostly for depth and the playoffs.
There were better options out there, made no sense to sign him, and even less to do it before the free agency market opened.

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12-19-2013, 02:12 PM
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I just gave you reasons, you disagreed with them, and went back to your conspiracy theory.
Not a conspiracy theory. Bergevin himself told the world he wanted to bring more french guys when he did his press conference when being introduced as the new GM.
Then he goes for Lecavalier and Briere. Pretty clear he wanted to bring in a french presence if he could. Guy didn't even wait until free agency opened.

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12-19-2013, 02:14 PM
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I think Therrien never really knew where to play Brière. Bergevin signed Brière and dropped him on Therrien's knees. I am sure Therrien would had prefer somebody different and bigger.
There's no way Therrien wasn't consulted before signing Briere.

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12-19-2013, 02:19 PM
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That won't work though. Patches can't carry both DD and Briere around the ice and still be productive. Its the same complaint that everyone had when he was first signed. At this point in his career, he's an undersized, exploitation forward. We already had/have one in DD. Its nearly impossible to make room for both of them in a line-up and remain competitive. Therrien hasn't really put him in a position to succeed, but there really isn't that position available right now.

Briere was a panic move after Vinny signed in Philly, especially when you look at signings like Ryder and the highly underrated MacArthur. Everyone knew it and its working out like all panic moves do.
Again 100% agree that it wasn't the right signing, but you gotta find a way to make it work, put him on the 3rd line, with Eller, and give him top pp minutes, he can produce on the pp if you put where on the left halfway, with the Flyers he was dominate on that spot on the pp, would kill the habs so many times from that spot.

Again I hated the signing, I don't really think it was a panic move as much as some ppl make it seem. Rumour was Bergevin offered Vinny 3 years at 3M, don't think he seriously wanted him, if he did, he would made a serious offer. Briere was just a bad signing.

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12-19-2013, 02:21 PM
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Briere, as he sits, is at rock bottom for the season. I don't doubt he will rise again, just like Desharnais. Once playoffs hit (knock on wood) and he scores a super clutch goal, all the haters should be ashamed for even celebrating

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12-19-2013, 02:22 PM
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I ran the numbers on this a few pages back, and he and the line did quite well all things considered. Like you, I didn't like the signing but recognized he finally fit on a line, and the team whether or not they deserved it went 7 - 0 - 1 from being placed there to taken off. Not to give full credit to him or his line, but all 4 lines had good combinations. MT's usage of him was spot on. Took him off to shut down the game with the lead. Makes sense. And then MT decided to pee all overall that spot and today he's a scratch. Not sure how the coach doesn't recognize the only time this season he's been productive was with that line.
100%

I thought I was great coaching by Therrien to take him off that line to put more, specially vs the Caps who we played 2 in a week, Moen big body on LW was useful Ovie on RW for the caps. But Briere did well and was only taken off based on match up not play, he should have given him the minutes he lost there on the pp.

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12-19-2013, 03:02 PM
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Brière is one concussion away from calling it a carreer.

Right now, he doesn't help the team physically, nor offensively.

He is next to untradable, too.

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12-19-2013, 03:11 PM
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Clearly I am part of the minority with this opinion, but Therrien made a big mistake when he removed Briere from Plek and Gio's line. Switching him with Moen to defend a tight lead is understandable for maybe the 3rd period or the last period...but after their first game together Briere was being removed within the first 15 minutes of the game after a goal. His line juggling is too much...how many chanced he gave DD to increase his performance (16 games), meanwhile veteran Briere has been bounced between the 3rd and 4th lines the majority of the time. Put him back with Pleks and Gio, and reunite the EGG line please.

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12-19-2013, 03:40 PM
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Clearly I am part of the minority with this opinion, but Therrien made a big mistake when he removed Briere from Plek and Gio's line. Switching him with Moen to defend a tight lead is understandable for maybe the 3rd period or the last period...but after their first game together Briere was being removed within the first 15 minutes of the game after a goal. His line juggling is too much...how many chanced he gave DD to increase his performance (16 games), meanwhile veteran Briere has been bounced between the 3rd and 4th lines the majority of the time. Put him back with Pleks and Gio, and reunite the EGG line please.
He did have a few good games with Pleks...but other than that, he has been awful and just doesn't seem to fit anywhere...

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12-19-2013, 03:51 PM
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Briere, as he sits, is at rock bottom for the season. I don't doubt he will rise again, just like Desharnais. Once playoffs hit (knock on wood) and he scores a super clutch goal, all the haters should be ashamed for even celebrating
As a Flyers fan I agree 100%.

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12-19-2013, 03:54 PM
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Ever since he was signed I've had the impression the org whiffed on their evaluation (it's starting to be a running theme). Bergevin claimed Briere was an upgrade on Ryder, but it should've been obvious he was not. Briere's a unidimensional 15-20 goal scorer, and that's pretty much what he's giving the Habs. As most of his production has been at even-strength when he was seen as a PP specialist, you could even claim he's exceeded expectations a bit.

But Therrien and Bergevin seem to expect a lot more from him, as if he were a front-line player, when his production is pretty much exactly as expected. He's not the player he was 4-5 years ago, but the front office seems to think, and even demand, that he should be.

He doesn't really fit in the puzzle, but I think the problem is less that he's not playing to his ability and more that he's not the player the front office thought he is.

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Briere, as he sits, is at rock bottom for the season. I don't doubt he will rise again, just like Desharnais. Once playoffs hit (knock on wood) and he scores a super clutch goal, all the haters should be ashamed for even celebrating
Even in a Brière thread, our favorite dwarf rears his ugly head.

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12-19-2013, 03:57 PM
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He did have a few good games with Pleks...but other than that, he has been awful and just doesn't seem to fit anywhere...
and that's the problem right there, he seems to fit on Plekanec line (oddly enough), and what does MT do ? play him anywhere but #14/#21 line...

it's great that DD and Patches produces, but the results of his line juggling are Gallagher not scoring, Eller not producing, Briere being scratched...

we're not even a one line team right now, we're a duo team (Patches and DD).

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and that's the problem right there, he seems to fit on Plekanec line (oddly enough), and what does MT do ? play him anywhere but #14/#21 line...

it's great that DD and Patches produces, but the results of his line juggling are Gallagher not scoring, Eller not producing, Briere being scratched...

we're not even a one line team right now, we're a duo team (Patches and DD).
This 1000%. The Briere/Pleks/Gio line was by far out best line when they were together, and Briere was playing better than Gio during that time. Yet, for some reason, Therrien split it up and moved Briere straight to the 3rd line. Same thing happened to the EGG line...with Gallagher and Galchenyuk removed, Eller has struggled BIG TIME to produce offensively, regardless of the tougher match ups he has recently faced. The only player who was really given all the the chances in the world was DD, aside from the one game he was scratched. Just doesn't make sense.

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and that's the problem right there, he seems to fit on Plekanec line (oddly enough), and what does MT do ? play him anywhere but #14/#21 line...
Here's the thing. 48-14-21 is great in the offensive zone. But 14-21 face the opposition's top guys in a defensive role night after night. Is that what the Habs want Briere to be doing?

Therrien had been using Briere with Plekanec early then swapping him with Moen late to preserve leads, but that also led to reduced Briere icetime and it's not ideal early in games either.

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it's great that DD and Patches produces, but the results of his line juggling are Gallagher not scoring, Eller not producing, Briere being scratched...
Gallagher's getting chances. So's Eller, really. Thing is, the Habs are on a run where they've had over 50 straight 5-on-5 scoring chances that have resulted in zero goals, when the chance conversion rate is usually around 15%. Now that doesn't necessarily mean they're playing well, in fact the chance production has been bad in some of the games (hi there, Florida game!) but that's a run that simply can't continue forever.

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This 1000%. The Briere/Pleks/Gio line was by far out best line when they were together, and Briere was playing better than Gio during that time. Yet, for some reason, Therrien split it up and moved Briere straight to the 3rd line. Same thing happened to the EGG line...with Gallagher and Galchenyuk removed, Eller has struggled BIG TIME to produce offensively, regardless of the tougher match ups he has recently faced. The only player who was really given all the the chances in the world was DD, aside from the one game he was scratched. Just doesn't make sense.
He was already struggling. He has very limited offensive vision. He is great for the rest of his game, though.

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Here's the thing. 48-14-21 is great in the offensive zone. But 14-21 face the opposition's top guys in a defensive role night after night. Is that what the Habs want Briere to be doing?

Therrien had been using Briere with Plekanec early then swapping him with Moen late to preserve leads, but that also led to reduced Briere icetime and it's not ideal early in games either.



Gallagher's getting chances. So's Eller, really. Thing is, the Habs are on a run where they've had over 50 straight 5-on-5 scoring chances that have resulted in zero goals, when the chance conversion rate is usually around 15%. Now that doesn't necessarily mean they're playing well, in fact the chance production has been bad in some of the games (hi there, Florida game!) but that's a run that simply can't continue forever.
well, it wasnt ideal but it worked... pretty much guaranteed 12min+ of icetime for Briere, and gave us a line that was getting points...

and as much as it may suck to sit or play only a shift or two in 3rd periods, I'm pretty sure a vet like Briere know already that defense isnt his forte and accepted it, and fact he was playing on our 1st line for at least two period per game probably helped him accept the situation.

I, like probably everyone else, never thought Briere on Plek like would work, but for some reason it did.



as for Gallagher and Eller, sure they have scoring chances here and there, but they clearly dont have as much possession time and scoring chances as before (when they were together).

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12-19-2013, 05:51 PM
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I like Briere with Plekanec and Gionta. On paper that line looks terrible, too small. On the ice, where it matters, they created a lot of offense.

Pacioretty DD Gallagher
Briere/Bournival/Bourque Pleks Gio
Galchenyuk Eller Bournival/Bourque
Moen Prust Bournival/Bourque/Briere

Rotate Bournival, Bourque and Briere

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Last resort...

Would like to see Briere at CENTER.
(wasn't he a CENTER every time he was a playoffs sniper/superstar?).

Let's pretend DD got a minor groin injury (nothing major, no pain,etc) and it kept him away for 2-3weeks.


Bournival/Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Briere - Gallagher
Bourque/Bournival - Eller - Galchenyuk
Moen - White - Prust




P.S.: I'm not wishing an injury to DD. The above is all hypothetical, of course! (DD+Pacioretty have been helping our Habs get pts in the standings in the last 10-12 games...good stuff, but i'm still going with Pleks-Galchenyuk-Eller for our CENTERS in next 3-4 seasons).

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This has to be the worst site for ads. I mean. I understand wanting to use ads, but put them in an area where they don't cover my whole screen every time I scroll down!!!!

Anyways. The Briere thing was terrible when it went down and it's even worse now. Are MB and MT on the same page?

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12-20-2013, 07:04 AM
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You saying we should pull a Nancy Kerrigan lead pipe to the knee deal on DD?

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I just don't know how you go into the draft, select guys like McCarron, Crisp and De La Rose.. specifically address the need to get bigger and then go out and sign Briere.

We all knew the Briere signing was redundant for this team and it only made sense as an upgrade on DD. It didn't happen. So Briere sits, while arguably being the better center than DD, while DD continues to get preferential treatment over every other player in the organization.

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