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12-19-2013, 03:59 PM
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Probably because it best embodies the make a move, deal with the consequences later, mentality of this organization.

AV was hired in a vacuum - does it tickle your fancy now?
Deals made with little forethoughts and lack of regard for the chain of events it might set off just doesn't roll off the tongue.

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12-19-2013, 04:05 PM
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I was against acquiring him in February of 2012 but once I saw the package I was pleased. Would make the trade again.

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12-19-2013, 04:09 PM
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Just seems like Nash is the kind of guy who is a coach killer...and in a different New York Ranger world, a GM killer. You're only going to get what he's capable of in spurts, then you wonder who to blame for the fact that he doesn't do it more often.

His playoff performance was not good - yet I'm sure he'll shine in the Olympics, since he'll be the sixth offensive option for Canada, and most of the best defensemen in the world are on his team. That's going to be so cool. Then he'll come back here and everyone will say Nash's weak stretch drive and possible playoff performance is someone else's fault.

In the playoffs last year I could take Nash's lack of production but I could not take his lack of passion.

Another great result for Sather.

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12-19-2013, 04:10 PM
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Most overused expression on this site: "in a vacuum"
It's one of the most overused expressions, yeah. The most annoying HFBoards trope is and always will be the projected lineups five years from now with every marginal homegrown pick and prospect slotted into the lineup and playing an important role.

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12-19-2013, 08:03 PM
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Absolutely. Essentially, we traded two bottom six players for a guy that will probably be playing on Team Canada in February. It's perplexing to me that anybody regrets this trade.

Trading Gabby was where we messed up. Or trading Gabby for what we got, anyway. I hate loose change for a dollar type of trades.

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12-19-2013, 08:19 PM
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Most overused expression on this site: "in a vacuum"
In a vacuum, yeah it is.

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12-19-2013, 08:47 PM
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Can't decide. Been on the fence about this trade since it happened. I don't see how it's such an easy decision, in a vacuum it was a good trade, but our team hasn't been the same since.

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12-19-2013, 09:25 PM
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Disagree on Nash's contract sucking.

His cap hit will be about 11% of the cap next year and his contract expires when he's 34.
Is he worth 11% of the cap? Can't say I think so. He's a one dimensional goal scorer, and an overrated one at that. The price they give up for him was fine; none of those players were anything to cry about, but I'm just not sure why you would ever want a Rick Nash on your team at that cap hit.

I guess it won't look so bad if in the next year or two a bunch of players end up getting $8 mill or more, but I don't think that many players are going to be in line for such raises. I think you pay that kind of money to a superstar. I don't see Nash as a superstar.

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The type of game this team is trying to play because of players like Nash is a reason for all those other guys' struggles.

It made a helluva lot more sense to let Gaborik do his thing and score goals while demanding a safe, grinding style from the rest of the roster as opposed to trying to get guys to play an offensive game who aren't cut out for it.
It might have made more sense than what is happening now, but to what end? 11-12, they were incredibly fortunate to not have to get through Boston or Pittsburgh. Sorry, but I don't think Gaborik in the playoffs without a legit creator on his line to feed him chances makes much sense, either. None of it makes any sense. Not having a legitimate offense for what seems like eons at this point doesn't make any sense.

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12-19-2013, 09:28 PM
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Going to sound very snobbish here.

One of the worst feelings in the world is having to be upset about a deal when just about everyone else is happy... and then watching everything you were worried about come true.

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12-19-2013, 09:47 PM
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I would have done it at the time, a lot of other errors have contributed to Rangers decline though.

That being said I would definitely look to trade Nash before the deadline this year.

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12-19-2013, 09:49 PM
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Absolutely. Essentially, we traded two bottom six players for a guy that will probably be playing on Team Canada in February. It's perplexing to me that anybody regrets this trade.

Trading Gabby was where we messed up. Or trading Gabby for what we got, anyway. I hate loose change for a dollar type of trades.
They needed to either fire Torts midseason and find an offensive coach then, or make the Gaborik trade, but give Torts another year. But they botched it and have lost their identity and best offensive player in less than a calendar year as a result.

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12-19-2013, 11:01 PM
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Every GM in the universe makes that trade.

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Absolutely. Essentially, we traded two bottom six players for a guy that will probably be playing on Team Canada in February. It's perplexing to me that anybody regrets this trade.

Trading Gabby was where we messed up. Or trading Gabby for what we got, anyway. I hate loose change for a dollar type of trades.
I like John Moore and I like Dorsett as a replacement for Prust. I see where Sather was going there. He's tough, will fight and can play enough to not just be a goon.

Gabby was done here. This thread is so filled with hindsight it's silly.

Long cold spells, lots of missed games....and has he played 10 games this year?

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12-19-2013, 11:23 PM
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Gabby was done here.
Because of a coach who is also done here. It's a misfire on all counts. One, the trade wasn't very good, and two, the side they chose, they bailed on a couple months later too.

Gabby not being the same anymore is the only saving grace. This could be even worse.

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12-19-2013, 11:38 PM
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Going to sound very snobbish here.
Thanks for the warning.

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12-20-2013, 12:00 AM
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Going to sound very snobbish here.

One of the worst feelings in the world is having to be upset about a deal when just about everyone else is happy... and then watching everything you were worried about come true.
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You can't win the cup building with wings. You need centers.

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i would do it again because we definitely bought low (with the NTC situation) and if we need to flip him somewhere now, we can get a insane return that far exceeds what we gave up... provided the same NTC doesn't handcuff as well.

Asset management wise, we still end up ahead. He's still a game breaker... you know, every other 5 games he shows up... actually I can't condemn him. The whole team is playing like crap.

If I'm going to blame anyone on the Rangers it's going to be AV for not adapting his coaching and system in a way that allows this roster to excel and Sather for hiring AV who fundamentally needs a high skill team to play his system even though our roster is built around Torts tooth and nails system.

With Torts, at least we could expect hard work every shift out of each game. This season has been very easy to skip games and catch the replay/highlights instead. /unexpected rant

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12-20-2013, 05:53 AM
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I've said it a million times I wish we made the Gaborik trade first and left Nash in clb. Does Nash still have a NMC?

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I'd say no. The rationale for the trade was that we were close enough that Nash would put us over the top. That obviously didn't happen.

Now we are left with what looks like another underperforming, overpaid, soft player.

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12-20-2013, 08:07 AM
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Do we really need an "elite goal scorer" to win a cup? Or do we need 4 balanced lines filled with guys who can score? Not including the 4th line of course. I rather take that 7.8 and improve in other areas.

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With Torts, at least we could expect hard work every shift out of each game. This season has been very easy to skip games and catch the replay/highlights instead. /unexpected rant
Bingo. I'm watching less and less now. Definitely not buying tickets to watch this drivel.

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12-20-2013, 08:18 AM
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And to everyone saying you make that trade all the time, why? Why did we NEED Nash? We couldnt make a package for a guy like Ryan? Why did it need to be Nash? I like Nash but it feels like we are in the same place when we had Gaborik, just without the hard work and less hitting. I would have traded those guys for a different player. Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st doesnt just get you Nash, i'm sure it could have brought in a decent top 6 winger or center. We lost in the ECF because of the lack of depth, why not add somr depth in the offseason.

People say that team couldnt do it again, how do you know? The team got ripped apart right after so how does anybody know they couldnt do it again?If another top 6 forward, bottom 6 forward and a depth dman gets added to that team, who knows? But you cant say it was luck because its BS. They all played the same style and everyone stuck to the system. Add to it, dont destroy it.

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12-20-2013, 08:22 AM
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Nash is not a winner and overpaid by about 2.5-3 mil a year. Without an elite player for him to play with he won't reach 40 goals again. He's streaky and you don't even notice him half the time, sometimes I confuse pouliot with him. I wouldn't make that trade for Nash again, guys like Dubinsky and anisimov give you more than what Nash gives you. Dubi 50 point guy gritty can pk play center or wing, anisimov 30-40 point 3rd line center who has a nice 2way game and can pk. Imagine we made the Gaborik trade and not the Nash trade?
Kreider Richards zucc
Dubinsky stepan Callahan
Hagelin brassard anisimov
Miller Boyle dorsett

Not the greatest team but tougher and more fun to watch than this garbage. With that team we would of had more assets to acquire a younger goal scorer (bobby Ryan, seguin, erikkson).

Pipe dream

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And to everyone saying you make that trade all the time, why? Why did we NEED Nash? We couldnt make a package for a guy like Ryan? Why did it need to be Nash? I like Nash but it feels like we are in the same place when we had Gaborik, just without the hard work and less hitting. I would have traded those guys for a different player. Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st doesnt just get you Nash, i'm sure it could have brought in a decent top 6 winger or center. We lost in the ECF because of the lack of depth, why not add somr depth in the offseason.

People say that team couldnt do it again, how do you know? The team got ripped apart right after so how does anybody know they couldnt do it again?If another top 6 forward, bottom 6 forward and a depth dman gets added to that team, who knows? But you cant say it was luck because its BS. They all played the same style and everyone stuck to the system. Add to it, dont destroy it.
Thank you. Everyday I was saying don't go for Nash go for Ryan or seguin or erikkson or eberle or e Kane. Someone in the 21-25 range who will be coming into their prime. Sather really dropped the ball since our ECF appearance, we headed in the right direction traded for Nash ran into injuries then traded Gaborik and went lateral. Now we took a step back

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