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12-21-2013, 04:51 PM
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Maybe playing with Coots and Read might get Hartnell playing smarter.
Hopefully, he's got to get out of this slump eventually. I mean obviously he's not the 37 goal scorer we saw a couple of years ago but he can be an effective player when he's on his game and playing smart.

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12-21-2013, 04:52 PM
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They figured out how to swap players body parts finally!

'Downie has a knock, wont be able to go...'

'Well, if he can't play we will give Vinny his spine for the night... that will work out.'

Pronger brain into Coburn body imminent.

Bourdon can be a body part mule... his head is a no go, but they can farm him to keep other guys off the injury list. Unlucky for Bourdon, great for the Flyers.
Unfortunately, Pronger's brain is what is hurting in him.

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12-21-2013, 04:53 PM
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Lines that would make sense to me:

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Lecavalier - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Raffl
Vandevelde - Hall - Penaldo

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12-21-2013, 04:55 PM
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Unfortunately, Pronger's brain is what is hurting in him.
I read his eye and optic nerve were the big problems now.

So maybe just give Pronger Bourdons eyes?

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12-21-2013, 05:03 PM
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Lines that would make sense to me:

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Lecavalier - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Raffl
Vandevelde - Hall - Penaldo
Taking Raffl off the top line would be nuts.

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12-21-2013, 05:03 PM
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Lines that would make sense to me:

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Lecavalier - Schenn
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Vandevelde - Hall - Penaldo
Raffl has been too good to take him away from Giroux and Voracek line.

Anyone is better than Hartnell though.

I bolded my suggested changes to your lineup.

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12-21-2013, 05:07 PM
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ROSTER UPDATE: Vincent Lecavalier will return to the lineup tonight vs. Columbus.
It's a Christmas miracle!!! Or just Downie being out, but speed up the healing it did. I just hope he's not rushing.

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12-21-2013, 05:08 PM
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Taking Raffl off the top line would be nuts.
Ideally he's not a top line player and his strengths are versatility and defensive acumen. They've got a hole on the shutdown line right now. If Voracek and Giroux need Michael Raffl on their line to keep clicking, they've got a problem.

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I read his eye and optic nerve were the big problems now.

So maybe just give Pronger Bourdons eyes?
Or Pronger's elbows to Rinaldo. Destroy the world!

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Ideally he's not a top line player and his strengths are versatility and defensive acumen. They've got a hole on the shutdown line right now. If Voracek and Giroux need Michael Raffl on their line to keep clicking, they've got a problem.
His strength on that line is speed and puck possession skills.

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Ideally he's not a top line player and his strengths are versatility and defensive acumen. They've got a hole on the shutdown line right now. If Voracek and Giroux need Michael Raffl on their line to keep clicking, they've got a problem.
I don't care if Jay Rosehill is the left winger, as long as theyre scoring keep it toghether.

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12-21-2013, 05:16 PM
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Ideally he's not a top line player and his strengths are versatility and defensive acumen. They've got a hole on the shutdown line right now. If Voracek and Giroux need Michael Raffl on their line to keep clicking, they've got a problem.
I think it was more of a case of needing ANYONE else other than Hartnell

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12-21-2013, 05:26 PM
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Lecavalier in again? That's weird.



Best way I can phrase it is that Schenn doesn't really seem to excel in any way that impresses. He never seem too bad but he never seems too great or a game changer by any means. I like having him and don't want to trade him for now, but considering the hype he used to have, the title of "best player not in the NHL" or whatever it was, and who we traded for him people want more. At the moment he seems like a 60 to 70 point player even at the absolute best and that's not what people want nor expected back then.

EDIT: A guy like Couturier stands out. A guy like Giroux stands out. Even a guy like Read stands out in his own way. Schenn just...yeah. I'll leave it at that.
I'm sorry you expect a star player but being a 60pt guy makes him a top line player. Being in the 70 pt range which I think he's got a chance at hitting some point in the future would put him in the top 25ish of scoring most seasons. That is by no means a bad player to have. I just don't think it's logical to be disappointed cause someone once labeled him incorrectly as the best player not in the NHL.

I think by the times he's 25 he'll be equally if not more valuable to a team then Read is/has been. Note I picked 25 cause he should be hitting his prime around then.

Really great to hear Vinny is back. Thanks Santa!!!


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12-21-2013, 05:30 PM
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It's a Christmas miracle!!! Or just Downie being out, but speed up the healing it did. I just hope he's not rushing.
Apparently Vinny's injury isn't one that you can make worse by playing, it's just whether he feels comfortable playing through it & if he's effective enough.

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12-21-2013, 05:34 PM
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Apparently Vinny's injury isn't one that you can make worse by playing, it's just whether he feels comfortable playing through it & if he's effective enough.
I thought he had a non displaced fracture somewhere in his lower back. How is that not something that can't get worse?

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Ideally he's not a top line player and his strengths are versatility and defensive acumen. They've got a hole on the shutdown line right now. If Voracek and Giroux need Michael Raffl on their line to keep clicking, they've got a problem.
They don't need Raffl to keep clicking, they need someone who's fast, can pass, can shoot, and who works hard. It just so happens that Raffl can do all of these things well, but not great, which is an improvement over Hartnell.

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I thought he had a non displaced fracture somewhere in his lower back. How is that not something that can't get worse?
I don't know. I'm not a doctor, it was just something I saw on twitter.

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I assume the fracture is healed but the area is still sore, but not sore enough to stop him skating full speed now. So he's playing.

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12-21-2013, 05:56 PM
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I'm sorry you expect a star player but being a 60pt guy makes him a top line player. Being in the 70 pt range which I think he's got a chance at hitting some point in the future would put him in the top 25ish of scoring most seasons. That is by no means a bad player to have. I just don't think it's logical to be disappointed cause someone once labeled him incorrectly as the best player not in the NHL.

I think by the times he's 25 he'll be equally if not more valuable to a team then Read is/has been. Note I picked 25 cause he should be hitting his prime around then.

Really great to hear Vinny is back. Thanks Santa!!!
Pretty much most people did. It's not like I or others just heard one guy say it and stuck with it. For the record, I said sixty to seventy point guy. If he's scoring sixty most seasons that's disappointment considering how he was viewed for a long while since his draft.

On a personal level, I don't feel strongly about Schenn either way.

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If he's only as equally valuable as Read by 25 we got completely jobbed in that trade.

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I thought he had a non displaced fracture somewhere in his lower back. How is that not something that can't get worse?
Apparently the injury itself was pretty stable.

He was just very stiff due to the spasms from it and that was the problem. So i imagine the spasms stopped... he had an interview two days ago where he said he had had almost no trouble with them for a day or two whereas before he could skate fine, be normal for 5 minutes then basically seize up, and then not feel great/feel stiff from there on in.

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Pretty much most people did. It's not like I or others just heard one guy say it and stuck with it. For the record, I said sixty to seventy point guy. If he's scoring sixty most seasons that's disappointment considering how he was viewed for a long while since his draft.

On a personal level, I don't feel strongly about Schenn either way.
I don't ever expect him to become a superstar or anything like that, but the guy still doesn't even have two seasons worth of games in the NHL. He still has time to greatly improve. I mean, at the time Giroux had 47 points his 2nd season in the NHL. I know that's not a good comparison of players, but my point is that he has room to grow and who knows how much or how little it will be.

I do understand why you're saying though, you would've hoped for more from someone who was given a label like that, but I don't think it's fair to hold him to that forever. It'll be impossible for him to live up to expectations if they're that high.

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12-21-2013, 06:23 PM
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Pretty much most people did. It's not like I or others just heard one guy say it and stuck with it. For the record, I said sixty to seventy point guy. If he's scoring sixty most seasons that's disappointment considering how he was viewed for a long while since his draft.

On a personal level, I don't feel strongly about Schenn either way.
Regardless it was a stupid label. To expect all-star and only get 1st liner who could be an all-star at some point isn't really a reason to be hard on him in my eyes. Just my opinion. And it's not just Schenn either. In general fans are too hard on the young guys. Couturier is a good example of this as well. People were already calling him a bust (including some flyers fans) meanwhile he was 20/21. I still think Couturier will be ~40pt + guy who provides great defense (like top 5 in d categories for forwards) most years. But it seems most wont be satisfied unless he provides the great defense and 60 pts.

I foresee similar issues with Laughton in a couple years.

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12-21-2013, 06:25 PM
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How is Lecavalier playing tonight? He had fracture in his back. Seems odd that he would just be ready.

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If he's only as equally valuable as Read by 25 we got completely jobbed in that trade.
Assuming Simmer continues to suck (not just this season but the rest of his career too) and Cousins never makes the NHL then I'd agree. Getting young 1st, 2nd and 3rd liners for a single roster player is pretty crazy. This is coming from a huge Richrds fan, like favorite Flyer since Lindros fan, too.

The only reasoning brought up Read was cause GarbageGoal called him a special player. And noticed I said equally or more valuable, with valuable being the key word. Read is very valuable iny eyes.


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