HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Your Call: Is Phaneuf Worth a Max-Term Contract?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-20-2013, 11:09 PM
  #26
Winston Wolf
Registered User
 
Winston Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Oahu, HI
Posts: 8,584
vCash: 500
He's a good player, but he's not what this team needs and he's going to be overpaid in years and dollars.

I don't see any team being a winner or going far with Phaneuf as their #1 defenseman unless he really improves with age.

Winston Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:13 AM
  #27
GoneFullHextall
rustling jimmies
 
GoneFullHextall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: central NH
Country: United States
Posts: 41,639
vCash: 50
over ****ing rated.
I dont care what anyone says.

pass.

GoneFullHextall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 01:06 AM
  #28
OzFlyers
Registered Boozer
 
OzFlyers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Australia
Country: Australia
Posts: 1,776
vCash: 500
Since the last 24/7 I picture the guy with a bow tie even in his Leafs uniform!

OzFlyers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 04:07 AM
  #29
dookie88
Registered User
 
dookie88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,765
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeff leonard View Post
I hear yandle's name mentioned a LOT with this team, and Phaneuf is a much better player than Yandle so...yes. He's a great player and gets a ton of flak for the jersey he wears.
Not true.
Yandle right now is back being the #1 in Phoenix over OEL. He's playing stupid amounts of minutes lately.
Yandle is better offensively and probably better defensively down the road because he's got twice the hockey IQ than Phaneuf.
Only thing Phaneuf has over Yandle is his physicality, which often hurts his defensive play.

I like Phaneuf and would take him as a FA, but the price is just not going to be worth it. The team that ends up signing him is going to pay him as a #1 defender. I'm not sure you can win the cup with him as your best D.


Also where does this Hartnell/Phaneuf feud come from?
Do people really believe they hate each other because Hartnell trolled Phaneuf at an All-Star-Game and because they fought each other a couple of times?

dookie88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 07:07 AM
  #30
Flukeshot
Hextall Activate!
 
Flukeshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brampton, Ont
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,607
vCash: 50
Absolutely NO.

Living in the Leafs market I see enough of the team and Phaneuf. I dislike him not just as a hockey player but as a human being. It wouldn't take long for us all to be calling for him to be traded. If Jerome Iginla can't get along with someone (one of the big reasons CGY practically gave him away to the Leafs), then I want nothing to do with him.

He is a quality hockey player, better than Coburn, but he makes really bone head moves from time to time. He is worth 5.5m but will get more. I just hope it's not the Flyers that pay him.

Flukeshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 08:14 AM
  #31
Psuhockey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,915
vCash: 500
It really doesn't matter because Toronto will resign him because they have no alternative.

Psuhockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 08:21 AM
  #32
chimrichalds18
the key
 
chimrichalds18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 2,775
vCash: 500
I think Phaneuf is a better player than people give him credit for, but I just don't think that a defensive corps with Phaneuf as its best player is going to go very far.

He and Coburn would be a great pairing, though.

chimrichalds18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 11:02 AM
  #33
Hockeypete49
How you like me now!
 
Hockeypete49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: South Jersey
Country: Isle of Man
Posts: 5,648
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
No. If they're gonna go max term at a high price I'd like it to be for someone more consistent than Phaneuf. He has a strong tendency to go full moron every now and then.
I agree. He is not what this team needs right now and he will demand a lot in terms of dollars. I pass.

Hockeypete49 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 11:24 AM
  #34
orangecrush8
Registered User
 
orangecrush8's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Burlington, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,634
vCash: 500
Id rather gauge my eyes out than give Phaneuf a 7 year deal worth $6.5+ which is what he would get.

Believe we, we want NOTHING to do with his guy

orangecrush8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:16 PM
  #35
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Ground Beef Invictus
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 70,462
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dookie88 View Post
Not true.
Yandle right now is back being the #1 in Phoenix over OEL. He's playing stupid amounts of minutes lately.
Yandle is better offensively and probably better defensively down the road because he's got twice the hockey IQ than Phaneuf.
Only thing Phaneuf has over Yandle is his physicality, which often hurts his defensive play.

I like Phaneuf and would take him as a FA, but the price is just not going to be worth it. The team that ends up signing him is going to pay him as a #1 defender. I'm not sure you can win the cup with him as your best D.


Also where does this Hartnell/Phaneuf feud come from?
Do people really believe they hate each other because Hartnell trolled Phaneuf at an All-Star-Game and because they fought each other a couple of times?
Yandle is not the #1 D. More minutes doesn't necessary mean someone is the #1....just look at Carle and Timonen from a few years back. Yandle is facing easier competition, he's starting mostly in the offensive zone, and his defensive stats are downright terrible compared to Phoenix's other dmen. He's good offensively, but that's it. Overall Phaneuf is certainly better than Yandle.

Phaneuf is facing harder competition, he's doing well defensively against it, and he's producing offense. They're about the same age. There's no reason to believe Yandle will suddenly close the gap at this point.

__________________
Saturday night, I like to raise a little harm. I'll sleep when I'm dead.
Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:22 PM
  #36
BringBackStevens
Registered User
 
BringBackStevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 14,503
vCash: 500
I'm surprised how many people are so willing to jump into a monster contract for a non-elite player after what we have been through and seen around the league.

BringBackStevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:30 PM
  #37
Appleyard
HFB Partner
 
Appleyard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Manc/Shef/Utrecht
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 18,473
vCash: 683
Phaneuf and Coburn would be an awesome pairing... for 35 games a year, a good pairing for 20 and frustrating as hell for the rest!

They would be unplayable at times... but one nights they both were 'off' it would be a a trainwreck.

But tbh I would not be against Phaneuf, only 28, consistent 40 point D man who is pretty good in his own zone.

He is a '1b' for sure... and is among the top 20 D men in the NHL to be frank... for all the stick he gets. After the big 9 it is McDonagh, J.Bo, Letang, Yandle, Kronwall, Seabrook, Ehrhoff, Hedman, Byfuglien and Phaneuf in that little tier I reckon. And he is not at the bottom of that group.

I would not mind the term being 5~ years... but amount would scare me. He is probably worth in the ~6mill range (5.5-6.5) But someone will likely give him 7. So no, do not wana get into a bidding war for him. But if a reasonable deal could somehow be agreed I would be ok with it.

Appleyard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:45 PM
  #38
healthyscratch
Registered User
 
healthyscratch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Philly
Posts: 6,502
vCash: 633
I seen a tweet saying he was close to getting long term from Toronto. I would guess in the range of 7/53. I wouldn't be horrified if we had given him that, but wouldn't be pissed we didnt either.

healthyscratch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 12:47 PM
  #39
Legion of Gloom
The Holy Ghost
 
Legion of Gloom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lake Titicaca
Country: Germany
Posts: 1,927
vCash: 135382
I am not sure he is worth the money but then I do not think Giroux is worth his new contract.

But I can not see the Leafs letting him walk so I think they will sign him

Legion of Gloom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 02:17 PM
  #40
Funf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 1,215
vCash: 500
I've always felt Phaneuf is underrated around here. He's prone to those boneheaded plays at times, and, frankly, he's just not very easy to like, but he's still a solid top pairing defenseman.

Bottom line is though, underrated or not, if he hits the UFA market, whoever gets him is going to overpay by a LOT.

Funf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 03:06 PM
  #41
jabba2
GoulBourne Supremacy
 
jabba2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 588
vCash: 500
Toronto might even be desperate enough to trade back for Schenn. Thats how poor their BlueLine has played this year.

jabba2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 03:37 PM
  #42
Damaged Goods
Registered User
 
Damaged Goods's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 2,182
vCash: 500
Nooooo.

His insane PDO is covering up a pretty average season. He's a player who can eat up a lot of minutes, but does not give you outstanding play over those minutes.

Damaged Goods is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 04:09 PM
  #43
Broad Street Elite
Registered User
 
Broad Street Elite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,077
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by chimrichalds18 View Post
I think Phaneuf is a better player than people give him credit for, but I just don't think that a defensive corps with Phaneuf as its best player is going to go very far.

He and Coburn would be a great pairing, though.
I agree wholeheartedly that there are a lot of fans, including several posters on this board, who are simply blinded by the Leafs jersey when they assess Phaneuf. He's a better defender than he gets credit for and he'd definitely be our best defenseman.

After saying that, I don't want to get locked into another long term contract like this at this stage. We aren't a Dion Phaneuf away from a Cup, so I'd rather wait another season to evaluate.

Broad Street Elite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 04:10 PM
  #44
BernieParent
Registered User
 
BernieParent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,378
vCash: 500
Another 'no' for Phaneuf. I'm not a fan of his overall game.

BernieParent is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 04:31 PM
  #45
Flukeshot
Hextall Activate!
 
Flukeshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brampton, Ont
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,607
vCash: 50
He likely would be our best D, not by a long shot, but still a bit better as he has a more rounded game than any of them.

Toronto media suggests he will sign soon. They have also been all over the topic this season that Phaneuf is not worth 6.5 to 7.5m because he isn't a #1 on a cup contender. He could be top pairing with someone of similar skill level but they'd prefer he not be their guy. At the same time, they point out, what other option do the Leafs have? There isn't a clear #1 d available, with Markov and Boyle being good but old.

Flukeshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 04:36 PM
  #46
flyerstime
Registered User
 
flyerstime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Philly
Posts: 1,071
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancer247 View Post
1. No way you can get Dion for less then $7M & 7yrs.
2. people overstate the Dion/Hartnell locker room issues. They are professionals. Plenty of guys have fought And been team mates. Lindros played on a team with Barnaby, Kasparitis and Holik.
3. I wouldn't hate them getting him.

Dion - Coburn
Grossman - Street
Gus - Schenn

flyerstime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 05:26 PM
  #47
dookie88
Registered User
 
dookie88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,765
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyerstime View Post
LoL Tavares must have an IQ below 30.

dookie88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 05:39 PM
  #48
BobbyClarkeFan16
Registered User
 
BobbyClarkeFan16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Goderich, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,526
vCash: 500
He's pretty decent offensively and while he isn't the greatest defensively, he isn't as bad as some are making him out to be. The issue with Phaneuf is that he isn't always the greatest in the locker room and he's butted heads with teammates. You need to have a strong leadership structure in place to bring him in and ensure he "tows the line" so to speak.

For the locker room reason alone, I'd say that Phaneuf should be a no from the Flyers. With that being said, if the Flyers don't make the playoffs again, you can bet Ed and company will target Phaneuf and Vanek and will do everything they can to bring those two on board. They'll want big names to come in and they'll want everyone to think they're doing all they can do to try to get this club back into the playoffs.

BobbyClarkeFan16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-21-2013, 07:22 PM
  #49
kelmitchell
Registered User
 
kelmitchell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Newark Delaware
Country: United States
Posts: 2,906
vCash: 500
honestly i wanna send him or girardi a contract but i would try for gaborik or all 3 ......pipe dream i know

kelmitchell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-22-2013, 01:30 PM
  #50
RoDu
Registered User
 
RoDu's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,980
vCash: 500
so say we sign Gaborik, do we then immediatley put him on LTIR?

RoDu is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:26 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2017 All Rights Reserved.