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12-23-2013, 12:06 PM
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A+ Stamkos - He was maybe the best player in the league before his injury. Easily playing the best hockey of his career and was truly a joy to watch.
A+ Bishop - Have we finally found our goaltender? The first half of the season says so but I try to not get too excited. It's been hard though so far.
A Hedman - As he came back from the injury, the team looked instantly better. Incredibly important player on a team that's weakest point is the defense.
B+ St. Louis - Had a few bad strecthes but is the most important player on this team right now with Bishop and Hedman. He's the perfect leader for our young players.
B+ Gudas - Hard to find bad things to say about him. Playing like a seasoned veteran. Maybe gets out of position sometimes as he's looking for a hit and occasionally makes some questionable decisions but it will become better with experience. One of my favourites on the team.
B+ Filppula - Although he was a Finn I hadn't watched him closely before this season and wasn't sure what we were getting. He's exceeded all expectations and is the #2 center this team needed.
B+ Carle - I hated the signing and hated him last year but he has really stepped up this season and has been solid. Gudas could be the right guy for him to open up his offensive game a bit and not be the guy most defensibly responsible in his pair.
B Killorn - Killorn could easily become a yearly 50 point guy. He really surprised me last year and has been getting better. Still disappears from time to time but it's expected from a young forward.
B Johnson - Has great wheels and all the potential to be a top six guy. Would like to see him burying his chances more often and I think the goals will come. He just has to keep doing what he's doing.
B Thompson - Thompson always gives it his all and is one of the most consistant players on the team. Doesn't do much offensively but it's not expected from him. Has been surprisingly good with Brown and Kucherov lately though.
B- Kucherov - If he could bury his chances his rating could easily be B+. Been snakebit lately but his offensive potential is just unbelievable and I'm dreaming about a line of Drouin - Stamkos - Kucherov. These games are important experience from him and he will be better because of this.
B- Lindbäck - Didn't have a good start to the season but he's been picking it up lately. It must be the new pads. Good backup who you're not afraid to play against the mid-level teams.
B- Palat - Effort is there and he could be a great third line player. Don't see him in a top six role when all guys are healthy but he can step up for a few games. Right now too much is asked from him.
B- Sustr - Maybe the biggest surprise for me this season. Didn't see him making the team but he did and has been playing well for a rookie. Uses his reach very well but I would like for him to be more physical. His skating also needs some work but it's not bad at all for that big of a guy.
B- Brown - I've liked what I've seen from Brown. He could also be a great third liner in the future. Great effort but isn't much of a finisher, at least yet.
C+ Salo - I haven't been as disappointed with Salo as some. He doesn't have the legs anymore but he still is a calming presence on our backend and makes the right play most of the time in his own zone.
C Brewer - Been better than the last couple of seasons but still makes some boneheaded decisions for a veteran like him.
C Crombeen - Does his job on the fourth line and penalty kill pretty well and has improved on his fightning.
C- Malone - Malone just isn't that good of a player anymore. He was frustrating as hell to watch at the start of the season when he was dragging his line down in many games. Was better when his ice time was reduced but we should look to move him if we have the chance.
C- Barberio - Hasn't been that good but hasn't been horrible either IMO. Makes rookie mistakes but I still think there's potential in him to become a third pairing defenseman who's a PP specialist.
D Connolly - He keeps disappointing. I was excited about him after the pre-season but he has to bring it in regular season too if he wants to stay in the long term plans.
D Panik - Words cannot describe how mad I was at him after the Capitals game. He's been a huge disappointment and hasn't been able to keep up with his buddies Palat and Johnson. Sending him down could be the best thing for him and the team at this point.
D Purcell - The ranking is based on the expectations I had for him. Has played probably his worst hockey in Tampa. At times like this when you need the veterans to step up he has disappeared completely. You barely notice him and when you do, he makes a stupid pass when he should shoot or something like that. One thing that's been better about his game is the defensive side but the offense just hasn't been good enough thus far.
D Labrie - Can't really say much about him. A guy you root for but he just isn't good enough for NHL IMO.

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12-23-2013, 12:29 PM
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Marty St. Louis... B (would've been higher if not for the lengthy slump)
Val Filppula... A-
Steven Stamkos... A+
Alex Killorn... B (Games playing wing = B+ or A-)
Teddy Purcell... D (Good start, better D, but increasingly frustrating in the offensive zone)
Tyler Johnson... B+ (Keep in mind the kid's a rookie. Sometimes we forget.)
Ondrej Palat... A-
Richard Panik... F (Simply hasn't been good enough on the whole)
Ryan Malone... D (Saved by being a good 4th liner)
Nate Thompson... B
JT Brown... B
BJ Crombeen... B- (Pretty much in line with expectations, I think)
Nik Kucherov... B (Love this kid. Only a matter of time before he gets some bounces)
Brett Connolly... F (Needs to be better.)
PC Labrie... F (Not sure what his role is)

Defense
Victor Hedman... B+ (Early season=wishy washy; now=elite)
Matt Carle... B- (Great defensively, but hasn't provided expected offense of late. Good overall.)
Radko Gudas... B (Great overall + some bad plays and temper penalties. I love him.)
Sami Salo... D (Compared to last year.)
Eric Brewer... B (Better than expected.)
Andrej Sustr... B+ (Game is starting to catch up with him. Who'd have thought he'd be here though?)
Mark Barberio... C (Some good stretches, some bad stretches, some ugly stretches.)

Goalies
Ben Bishop... A+ (He might win a Vezina. He might deserve a Hart.)
Anders Lindback... C+ (Some shaky starts, some good starts. Improving.)

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12-23-2013, 02:18 PM
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Sami Salo... D (Compared to last year.)
I dont get this. Team did improve from last year and especially the goaltending and every stat of Salo has gotten better since. 5v5 goal difference & corsi difference(one of the best leaguewise actually), PK & PP. Yes his personal points are down but is it an issue? He's defensive D-man who is really only making the mark on his own end everything else is a plus. He's fluffed quite a lot offensive chances but really thats pretty expected. Its a missed opportunity but hardly ever anything bad comes from out of those. Its something he could be better at sure but I cant view it as a negative. Last year he stand out better because others sucked but he's been just as solid this year. Usually he slows down as the season progresses but with the way amount of minutes have been managed it will interesting to see if it still happens.

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12-23-2013, 09:06 PM
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Lindback a minus really? Can you care to explain? He has been getting better and better every game, just like he has in the past he gets better as the season goes on. Take out the bad game vs Pittsburgh and the San Jose one where the whole team didn't show up and every game he's been under 3 GA and has given us a chance to win. His win lose record sucks but he's gotten no goal support in his starts. For a backup he's been everything we need lately.
Anders answered this for me. I was much higher on Lindback to start the season than I am now. He's played well, even with that poor save percentage, but I was expecting him to show signs of being a #1, not a back up. At the beginning of the season, he wasn't making saves to keep us in the game, which is my biggest knock, #1 goalies make those saves.

Bishop hasn't just shown glimpses of being a #1, he has played like a top 5 goalie. So he gets a plus

Barberio isn't on the list, because I was not expecting much from him anyways, his flaws and strengths do not translate well to the NHL level. He has to overcome them which he hasn't yet.

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12-23-2013, 09:32 PM
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I dont get this. Team did improve from last year and especially the goaltending and every stat of Salo has gotten better since. 5v5 goal difference & corsi difference(one of the best leaguewise actually), PK & PP. Yes his personal points are down but is it an issue? He's defensive D-man who is really only making the mark on his own end everything else is a plus. He's fluffed quite a lot offensive chances but really thats pretty expected. Its a missed opportunity but hardly ever anything bad comes from out of those. Its something he could be better at sure but I cant view it as a negative. Last year he stand out better because others sucked but he's been just as solid this year. Usually he slows down as the season progresses but with the way amount of minutes have been managed it will interesting to see if it still happens.
I have no idea what his advanced stats are, but simply going by my eye, I feel like I've seen Salo burnt more than any other defenseman on the team. The plays have rarely turned into goals against, but Bishop is bailing out everybody this year. I obviously could be wrong, and my impression could be weighted by recent games. Just an impression that his play has dropped off significantly since last year. That could be because it was a lot easier for his good play to stand out last year, and maybe his bad plays were swallowed up by the catastrophe going on all around him. So maybe he hasn't declined, but to the naked eye, he's declined pretty significantly, particularly from about November on.

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12-23-2013, 10:05 PM
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Anders answered this for me. I was much higher on Lindback to start the season than I am now. He's played well, even with that poor save percentage, but I was expecting him to show signs of being a #1, not a back up. At the beginning of the season, he wasn't making saves to keep us in the game, which is my biggest knock, #1 goalies make those saves.

Bishop hasn't just shown glimpses of being a #1, he has played like a top 5 goalie. So he gets a plus

Barberio isn't on the list, because I was not expecting much from him anyways, his flaws and strengths do not translate well to the NHL level. He has to overcome them which he hasn't yet.
If you take away the first month Lindback looks like he can be a starter, the only problem is Bishop is looking even better and is overshadowing anything he does. If he could get more games in he'd be able to show he's starter material but I can't see him getting those starts.

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If you take away the first month Lindback looks like he can be a starter, the only problem is Bishop is looking even better and is overshadowing anything he does. If he could get more games in he'd be able to show he's starter material but I can't see him getting those starts.
That's kind of fair, especially the last five or so games he's had. He's playing like we would have loved our starters to play like for seasons before. But when you got a guy that's stealing games and is in Vezina talk... it sucks for Anders, because he may be starting to put it together. It may be for the best, though, since he'll get more time to work on his technique and get selective starts. It's not like we shelter his starts - he plays against good teams - but there's just no way we can play him more than ~20 games this season with Bishop playing out of his mind.

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If you take away the first month Lindback looks like he can be a starter, the only problem is Bishop is looking even better and is overshadowing anything he does. If he could get more games in he'd be able to show he's starter material but I can't see him getting those starts.
If you take away the first month, but we are grading for the whole season, and that month puts him in the negative in my book

He's playing like how I would have expected now, showing signs that he could probably be a decent starter, like you said. His starts are infrequent though so that is still too murky to say with any kind of conviction. My grading scale is strictly what I expected from each player and how much they've delivered to this point.

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I have no idea what his advanced stats are, but simply going by my eye, I feel like I've seen Salo burnt more than any other defenseman on the team. The plays have rarely turned into goals against, but Bishop is bailing out everybody this year. I obviously could be wrong, and my impression could be weighted by recent games. Just an impression that his play has dropped off significantly since last year. That could be because it was a lot easier for his good play to stand out last year, and maybe his bad plays were swallowed up by the catastrophe going on all around him. So maybe he hasn't declined, but to the naked eye, he's declined pretty significantly, particularly from about November on.
Salo decline will be way worse if it happens. Not there yet. I've watched every shift from him from last 5 years and fair amount before that and this is still pretty solid to that, though i dont know if minute management is due to preventing fatigue or if there's already slight problems but in my eye it doesnt look so. Salo has weaknesses that are always there, in the past and in the future. Speed with time and space absolutely kills him and for example NYI game was classic example of that but in his defense he was also paired with Taormina and they both made lots of mistakes there. Had few stinkers before aswell but he's come back from those games every time. One game it was the 4v4 OT fail he was almost crusified here but again (time and space) and it was 2 saves Bish could've had but yes it was poor defensive finish for a rebound there. His boardwork/battling is also not excellent and if forwards collapse aswell it can look quite awful, especially zone exits. Also can remember some of the defending 2on1s, another thing he is not good at. Usually he lefts the shot wide open+space to deke but lately he's been trying to force the shot/pass and its not ending any better. Still not a decline but already existing flaw.

In exchange, his pinching plays has been rather good and safe all the time (only his blueline keeping the zone alive fluffs have been kind of frustrating), his neutral zone reads have been spot on and defending the even strenght rushs is one of his strenghts. Which comes to why he is one of the best of allowing the least shot attempts against in 5v5 in whole league, definately not a sign of harshly declining player. In defensive zone he's played his position very well and while the system sometimes encourages man-on-man, even following them around he usually keeps them in check and its the forwards who cant recognize the switches between plays. Also he has been positionally sound pretty much all the time in defensive zone and especially good at letting goaltender to have clean sight at the puck(one of the plays i appreciate a lot). This especially was worse last season as the they never had full confidence on the goalie and were running around desperately to prevent those chances.

So while i dont agree with you i appreciate your opinion. but for me most frustrations have come from offensive zone blueline making offensive plays instead of defense. And with Salo its always if his strenghts outweight his weaknesses which i think still are.

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I have no idea what his advanced stats are, but simply going by my eye, I feel like I've seen Salo burnt more than any other defenseman on the team. The plays have rarely turned into goals against, but Bishop is bailing out everybody this year. I obviously could be wrong, and my impression could be weighted by recent games. Just an impression that his play has dropped off significantly since last year. That could be because it was a lot easier for his good play to stand out last year, and maybe his bad plays were swallowed up by the catastrophe going on all around him. So maybe he hasn't declined, but to the naked eye, he's declined pretty significantly, particularly from about November on.
I agree. He's been meh at best for quite a while now. His lack of speed and physicality is obvious. Plus his "booming shot" rarely gets on net.

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