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12-20-2013, 12:54 PM
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according to the expertd of HFBoards, it's not a very nice goal because the goalie played it terribly
Honestly, most highlight reel type goals are results of poor defense or a bad goalie, anyway.

However, I don't know if this one was.

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12-20-2013, 01:03 PM
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what if Mason gave up that goal? Many would be throwing Mason under the bus.
Dont get me wrong, I think it was a great goal but McElhinney could of been positioned better.
I wonder what Giroux was really trying to do there. out of the corner of his eye im sure he saw Hartnell going to the front of the net. Was he trying to get it to Hartnell or really put it on goal.
There's no way he could be expecting that kind of shot. The most likely thing would be Giroux throwing the puck towards the crease at ice level, and that's what he went to cover.

There aren't a lot of people on the planet that can elevate the puck on their backhand like that, with that much steam, while falling down.

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12-20-2013, 01:31 PM
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There is probably only 15-20 people in the league that could perform that shot even with no goalie or a player on them.

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12-20-2013, 01:48 PM
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There is probably only 15-20 people in the league that could perform that shot even with no goalie or a player on them.
As nice as that goal looked, a lot of it was luck that it even was on net, let alone getting in. 9/10 shoveling the puck at the net while falling will not even make it to the net. That doesn't take away from the fact that it was an outstanding goal, but I'm not so sure I'd agree that only 15-20 other people would be capable of that.

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Is it against the rules to lift the puck with your stick and slam it in, Like JVR did in college once?

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Anyone with half a brain knows that's one of the prettiest, best goals all time. That was beyond remarkable. And it was a game-winner to boot. The goalie was just caught off guard but it doesn't take away from it being a hell of a play.
Actually it was pretty damn ugly, but still takes alot of skill if that makes sense. Most backhand Goals look ugly though. Giroux shootout Goal against the Caps last Sunday was much prettier to my eyes.

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Is it against the rules to lift the puck with your stick and slam it in, Like JVR did in college once?
only if it's a high stick, i'd imagine.

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Espn has the goal on their FrontPage and labeled as "goal of the year"

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That was Giroux's best game since game 6 against pitt.

He literally willed us to a victory ( and voracek) that so few can. While i don't expect for him to perform like that on a nightly basis , every so often couldn't hurt.

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Is it against the rules to lift the puck with your stick and slam it in, Like JVR did in college once?
As long as it's below the crossbar. I doubt you'll see it ever successfully pulled off in the NHL though because of the smaller ice surface compared to College & Europe.

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I'm pretty sure the NHL made those illegal after the michigan player and the minor player did it within a few weeks of each other years and years ago. Not to mention, I see someone getting killed while trying to do it behind the net.

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Honestly, most highlight reel type goals are results of poor defense or a bad goalie, anyway.

However, I don't know if this one was.
exactly

I mean, we still never hear the end of that goal Ovechkin scored 5 years ago where he was on his back and it only happened because Boucher was way out of position

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12-21-2013, 10:29 AM
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I'm pretty sure the NHL made those illegal after the michigan player and the minor player did it within a few weeks of each other years and years ago. Not to mention, I see someone getting killed while trying to do it behind the net.
it is not illegal to do it.


The reason why we dont see it in the NHL is because of the 2nd point you made

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12-21-2013, 10:31 AM
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only if it's a high stick, i'd imagine.
I never understood your avatar until I just recently started to watch Boardwalk Empire

When that character was first introduced, I was like "Where....did I see this before?"

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Amongst Canadian Forwards in Olympic Contention in last 21 games:

Crosby: 31 in last 21 (1.48 PPG)
Getzlaf: 30 in last 21 (1.43 PPG)
Neal: 22 in last 17 (1.29 PPG)
Giroux: 24 in last 21 (1.14 PPG)
Kunitz: 24 in last 21 (1.14 PPG)
Perry: 23 in last 21 (1.10 PPG)
Thornton: 22 in last 21 (1.05 PPG)
Tavares: 21 in last 21 (1.00 PPG)
Hall: 21 in last 21 (1.00 PPG)
Staal: 20 in last 21 (0.95 PPG)
Duchene: 20 in last 21 (0.95 PPG)
Marleau: 20 in last 21 (0.95 PPG)
Seguin: 19 in last 21 (0.90 PPG)
Sharp: 19 in last 21 (0.90 PPG)
St. Louis: 18 in last 21 (0.86 PPG)
Little: 18 in last 21 (0.86 PPG)
Toews: 17 in last 21 (0.81 PPG)
Benn: 16 in last 21 (0.76 PPG)
Carter: 16 in last 21 (0.76 PPG)
Eberle: 16 in last 21 (0.76 PPG)
Richards: 14 in last 21 (0.66 PPG)
Couture: 14 in last 21 (0.66 PPG)
Nash: 10 in last 16 (0.63 PPG)
Spezza: 13 in last 21 (0.62 PPG)
Bergeron: 13 in last 21 (0.62 PPG)
Lucic: 12 in last 21 (0.57 PPG)
Ladd: 12 in last 21 (0.57 PPG)

Nash and Neal November onwards scoring listed. (~ time last 21 games played in for rest.)

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12-23-2013, 09:35 PM
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As a Canadian, looking at the Olympics and Giroux's place on our team, how would everyone rate his skating???

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As a Canadian, looking at the Olympics and Giroux's place on our team, how would everyone rate his skating???
Above average, but not elite or anything.

His best ability is his agility while skating. He's pretty elusive.

But yeah, there are quite a few forwards who are better than him (Crosby, Hall, Marleau, Duchene, Seguin, Carter to name a few).

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Above average, but not elite or anything.

His best ability is his agility while skating. He's pretty elusive.

But yeah, there are quite a few forwards who are better than him (Crosby, Hall, Marleau, Duchene, Seguin, Carter to name a few).
Yeah... that's what I heard. If Canada sends Getzlaf and Perry, Tavares and Giroux, that's a lot of players with average or below average skating on the big ice against teams like the U.S. (who can fly) and Europe (who grew up on the surface). It is a concern. Hear he and Crosby don't get along, as well.

When Giroux wasn't scoring it made the decision easy but, my God, the kid's on fire.

Thanks for the input.

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12-23-2013, 09:57 PM
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Yeah... that's what I heard. If Canada sends Getzlaf and Perry, Tavares and Giroux, that's a lot of players with average or below average skating on the big ice against teams like the U.S. (who can fly) and Europe (who grew up on the surface). It is a concern. Hear he and Crosby don't get along, as well.

When Giroux wasn't scoring it made the decision easy but, my God, the kid's on fire.

Thanks for the input.
Giroux's skating is above average and shouldn't be an issue whatsoever. The extra time & space out there should play to his strengths.

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Giroux would thrive on the large ice surface. He is one of the most dangerous players with the puck when he has time and space

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Giroux's skating is above average and shouldn't be an issue whatsoever. The extra time & space out there should play to his strengths.
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Giroux would thrive on the large ice surface. He is one of the most dangerous players with the puck when he has time and space
He wasn't good (if I remember correctly) at the World Championships - on the big ice. I hope you're both right.

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Yeah... that's what I heard. If Canada sends Getzlaf and Perry, Tavares and Giroux, that's a lot of players with average or below average skating on the big ice against teams like the U.S. (who can fly) and Europe (who grew up on the surface). It is a concern. Hear he and Crosby don't get along, as well.

When Giroux wasn't scoring it made the decision easy but, my God, the kid's on fire.

Thanks for the input.
I reckon he is the fastest of those four, and definitely the 'best' skater... far far better than Perry and Getzlaf and above Tavares as well. His acceleration is significantly better than them as well I reckon.

If you want confirmation search their names followed by 'breakaway' on youtube... there are about 4x the amount of clips for Giroux than the other three combined.

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He wasn't good (if I remember correctly) at the World Championships - on the big ice. I hope you're both right.
Canadas 2nd top scorer after Stamkos... 8 in 8.

Outplayed Duchene, Eberle, Ladd and Hall in my book.

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12-23-2013, 10:07 PM
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I reckon he is the fastest of those four, and definitely the 'best' skater... far far better than Perry and Getzlaf and above Tavares as well. His acceleration is significantly better than them as well I reckon.

If you want confirmation search their names followed by 'breakaway' on youtube... there are about 4x the amount of clips for Giroux than the other three combined.
I just worry about anyone, who can't skate like the wind, on the big ice.

If it was on the small ice, Giroux, Tavares, Perry and Getzlaf are on the team and you could pencil "Canada" into the Gold Medal game - winning 2/3rds of the time.

On the big ice...

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Canadas 2nd top scorer after Stamkos... 8 in 8.

Outplayed Duchene, Eberle, Ladd and Hall in my book.
Fair enough. I must be remembering incorrectly.

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I just worry about anyone, who can't skate like the wind, on the big ice.

If it was on the small ice, Giroux, Tavares, Perry and Getzlaf are on the team and you could pencil "Canada" into the Gold Medal game - winning 2/3rds of the time.

On the big ice...



Fair enough. I must be remembering incorrectly.
I would not worry too much about Getzlaf or Tavares...

Getzlaf showed in the 2012 WC's that he was fine... 9 points and +6 in 8 games in Finland & Sweden. He was PPG in the WJC in 2004 in Finland as well.

Tavares showed the same in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 WCs (Germany, Slovakia and Swe/Fin) as well, 25 points in 22 games and +12.

Perry maybe some concern for me... he is worse than Getzlaf and Tavares at skating, and in 2012 I remember him not looking as dangerous, though looking at it he got 7 points in 8 and was +7! And in 2010 had 6 in 7.

Some of the other teams will have some slow or poor skaters on as well, guys like Handzus, Volchenkov, Hudler off the top of my head. So it is not like Canada will be alone in this!


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