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12-24-2013, 10:35 AM
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I'd like to see it as well.
We don't have enough skill... so instead we should go big. Scott is one of the few people who can move bodies, and maintain his position...

Scott had one PP sequence where he moved the defender completely out of the box, set his screen, and banged at a rebound... more of that is fine with me.

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12-24-2013, 10:39 AM
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Ott's demeanor and attitude during this rebuild deserves recognition.
Also props to him for drawing that penalty with 2:30ish left in Staffords major.

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12-24-2013, 10:41 AM
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The guy made a few boneheaded plays last night and he has no offense to speak of.
I disagree completely.

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12-24-2013, 10:42 AM
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GEM line. Seeing some more creativity in Girgs' passing the last few games. I like it.
Myers, Hoff, Pysyk
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12-24-2013, 10:42 AM
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In what ways do you think he struggled?
He was caught behind the play a number of times, his foot speed really hinders him, he has no offense at all, and there were a couple of times that he was caught away from the puck doing something that made me say "what are you thinking?". He's not an NHL player right now.

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12-24-2013, 10:47 AM
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He was caught behind the play a number of times, his foot speed really hinders him, he has no offense at all, and there were a couple of times that he was caught away from the puck doing something that made me say "what are you thinking?". He's not an NHL player right now.
sounds like "see what you want to see" comments

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12-24-2013, 10:49 AM
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sounds like "see what you want to see" comments
I'm pretty sure we all want him to be good.

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12-24-2013, 10:56 AM
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He was caught behind the play a number of times, his foot speed really hinders him, he has no offense at all, and there were a couple of times that he was caught away from the puck doing something that made me say "what are you thinking?". He's not an NHL player right now.
I disagree. I don't think he's nearly as slow as you think. And to suggest that he has no offense "at all" is off, too. His power-play shifts stood out as a major positive to me. Very smart and a good passer.

That said, I think he should be in the AHL working on his offensive game a bit more (and he will be when Nolan gets some bodies back), but he's NHL-ready in his play away from the puck right now.

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I'm pretty sure we all want him to be good.
Im not so sure in your case.

Larsson is pretty much NHL ready IMO. His puck possession numbers in the Rolston era make it clear as day.

I agree with seasoning our guys where we can this year, so sending him back down is fine with me. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay up with the team for awhile. His play last night, was pretty much the exact opposite of your description.

No offense to speak of, is the only comment you made that has any validity to it (although, it's still an exaggeration)

Larsson tilts the ice in his teams favor
(in a pretty big way) through NHL ready forechecking and possession skills.

He has the best zone start differential from start to finish on the team
He has the best Corsi numbers on the team
He has one of the best on/off differentials on the team

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12-24-2013, 11:01 AM
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Im not so sure in your case.

Larsson is pretty much NHL ready IMO. His puck possession numbers in the Rolston era make it clear as day.

I agree with seasoning our guys where we can this year, so sending him back down is fine with me. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay up with the team for awhile. His play last night, was pretty much the exact opposite of your description.

No offense to speak of, is the only comment you made that has any validity to it (although, it's still an exaggeration)

Larsson tilts the ice in his teams favor
(in a pretty big way) through NHL ready forechecking and possession skills.

He has the best zone start differential from start to finish on the team
He has the best Corsi numbers on the team
He has one of the best on/off differentials on the team
Agreed (though I don't think "no offense to speak of" had any validity).

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12-24-2013, 11:07 AM
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Agreed (though I don't think "no offense to speak of" had any validity).
There's validity in saying Larsson has developed enough to yield
Scoring opportunities from his skills (possession)

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12-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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There's validity in saying Larsson has developed enough to yield
Scoring opportunities from his skills (possession)
Right. I'm saying I disagree (vehemently) with the notion that he has no offense to speak of.

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12-24-2013, 11:21 AM
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Im not so sure in your case.

Larsson is pretty much NHL ready IMO. His puck possession numbers in the Rolston era make it clear as day.

I agree with seasoning our guys where we can this year, so sending him back down is fine with me. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay up with the team for awhile. His play last night, was pretty much the exact opposite of your description.

No offense to speak of, is the only comment you made that has any validity to it (although, it's still an exaggeration)

Larsson tilts the ice in his teams favor
(in a pretty big way) through NHL ready forechecking and possession skills.

He has the best zone start differential from start to finish on the team
He has the best Corsi numbers on the team
He has one of the best on/off differentials on the team
That's all great. Now imagine if he cleaned up the areas of his game that are problematic. Then you have a really good player. Right now, he is not.

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12-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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Right. I'm saying I disagree (vehemently) with the notion that he has no offense to speak of.
Especially when our best chance through at least a period and a half came off an excellent steal on the forecheck.

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Larsson reminds me of Hecht without the plus skating. I like that - glue guys are needed throughout.

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Especially when our best chance through at least a period and a half came off an excellent steal on the forecheck.
The one that led to a nice dish back to the point (Myers?)?

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Larsson reminds me of Hecht without the plus skating. I like that - glue guys are needed throughout.
I like Hecht as a comparable. He's just more physical than Jochen.

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Good -
GEM with another solid outing.
Scott.
Being that shorthanded, they were forced to keep it simple.

Bad -
- Eh.

Ugly -
Refs had a rough night, especially the Phoenix goal.

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12-24-2013, 12:06 PM
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We don't have enough skill... so instead we should go big. Scott is one of the few people who can move bodies, and maintain his position...

Scott had one PP sequence where he moved the defender completely out of the box, set his screen, and banged at a rebound... more of that is fine with me.
I'd love it just for the amusement factor when Scott gets a goal before Leino.

Too bad he will probably negate most powerplays, 2 minutes minor penalty for being John Scott.

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12-24-2013, 01:28 PM
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That's all great. Now imagine if he cleaned up the areas of his game that are problematic. Then you have a really good player. Right now, he is not.
What's problematic? He's billed as a two-way forward that plays a solid 200-foot game. That's exactly what he did last night.

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He has the best zone start differential from start to finish on the team
He has the best Corsi numbers on the team
He has one of the best on/off differentials on the team
Not sure what exactly is a 'zone start differential', but Larsson doesn't have the best Corsi numbers on the team. In fact, he's got one of the worst individual Corsi numbers on the team. He's ranked 19th out of 24, to be exact. And it shows how non-contributing he's been offensively. He's recorded 1 point in 18 NHL games so far. That's not NHL-ready by my book.

His team Corsi (meaning the number of successful Corsi actions when he's on the ice) is very good indeed. But so is D'Agostini's, *Adam's*, Girgensons's, etc.

If you mean that he's ready to be a 4th/3rd-line grinder, I guess most people would agree. But I don't think that's what you meant by comparing him to Hecht, who was a 50-60 point guy at his peak.

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iCorsi is terrible. Of course the center doing most of the forechecking work isn't also going to be racking up tons of shots and attempts. Adam and D'Ags are averaging 60% offensive zone starts against irrelevant defensive competition (also in fewer games played), making them incomparable to one of the most defensive-zone-started players on the team.

Him generating (or correlating with, but watch him forecheck and you know that's not coincidence) similar possession as Girgensons is a good thing...

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Isn't that flaming?

The guy made a few boneheaded plays last night and he has no offense to speak of.
You went out of your way to take potshots at him when he was up before. So it's not shocking you're nitpicking and complaining about his first game back.

And complaining he has "no offense to speak of" has nothing to do with Saturday's game. It's you just bashing him.

He played pretty well but the things he does well you don't value much. And it's pretty ironic that someone who is a huge Ennis fan would be up in arms about a few "bonehead" plays by another player.


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