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12-25-2013, 01:48 PM
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The majority of NYR players make much less money a year than Hankie.
Now when Hankie gets a raise from 6,875 to 8,5 per year, 7yrs contract, in the middle of his worst season, perhaps most guys on the NYR roster don't think it's worth a huge applaud that there is even more money spent on the Hank - everyone knows that you can win the Cup with an average or low salary goalie as well.
And since there is a salary cap, this raise does affect the total of what's left over for other positions.

Since Talbot is paid approx. the league minimum (also next year btw) - the difference between Hankie's and Talbot's paycheck is an absurd 12 times now and even more absurd 15 times next season - so no wonder if many NYR players consciously or unconsciously put some more effort into games when Talbot is in goal.

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I personally think Hank looks thinner and more tired since the last two seasons. Maybe his daughter is ruining his sleep? I think he usually gets to bad late and young kids are known for waking up early.

Maybe he is on drugs?

Who knows. I think we had problems with players using before no?

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12-25-2013, 02:44 PM
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Now he's on drugs? lol

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The majority of NYR players make much less money a year than Hankie.
Now when Hankie gets a raise from 6,875 to 8,5 per year, 7yrs contract, in the middle of his worst season, perhaps most guys on the NYR roster don't think it's worth a huge applaud that there is even more money spent on the Hank - everyone knows that you can win the Cup with an average or low salary goalie as well.
And since there is a salary cap, this raise does affect the total of what's left over for other positions.

Since Talbot is paid approx. the league minimum (also next year btw) - the difference between Hankie's and Talbot's paycheck is an absurd 12 times now and even more absurd 15 times next season - so no wonder if many NYR players consciously or unconsciously put some more effort into games when Talbot is in goal.
Amen Amen. One of the best posts ever.

Cracks me up when I see a thread titled sell high on talbot when it should be sell high on hankie.

Much rather spend the extra $7 mio or so to upgrade our 3rd and 4th lines.

Hankie lovers say Hankie carried us for the last 8 yrs but what exactly had he carried us to? One ECF in which he was outplayed by brodeur and gave up 3 goals on his first 5 shots in the pivotal game 5 at MSG. I was there. He was nervous not what a big time goalie would perform.

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12-25-2013, 02:55 PM
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That is one thing that is somewhat overlooked. Hank lost game 5 against the Devils BY HIMSELF. I don't care what anyone says, he cost us that game all by himself with his play in the first, and letting Ryan Carter score AGAIN on him in the 3rd.

Still absurd to want to trade him. If we're gunna have success, its going to be led by Hank.

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12-25-2013, 03:03 PM
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Started this thread on Oct 9th and had most of you yelling and cursing at me, we look who looks right now.

Smaller pads has ruined his career.
Just read the first page of the thread and no one except maybe post 11 comes close to giving you grief. Quite a few agreed that he was off and others simply said it was too early to judge. Is this championship's second account or something?

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Just read the first page of the thread and no one except maybe post 11 comes close to giving you grief. Quite a few agreed that he was off and others simply said it was too early to judge. Is this championship's second account or something?
He is a long time troll who was banned and is oddly allowed by mods to post despite everyone knowing who he is.

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12-25-2013, 04:20 PM
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He is a long time troll who was banned and is oddly allowed by mods to post despite everyone knowing who he is.
No, its actually funny how you and 2 lounge posters think im some banned poster, I don't even argue it anymore cause its just comical at this point seeing you get all bent out of shape.

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12-25-2013, 04:31 PM
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Maybe hank was just stressing about what to get his wife for Xmas, hopefully he's good now

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No, its actually funny how you and 2 lounge posters think im some banned poster, I don't even argue it anymore cause its just comical at this point seeing you get all bent out of shape.
If it makes you feel any better, I was accused of creating the account for the sole purpose of bashing hank. It seems that Hank is off limits in this board. Maybe he is really the King.

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12-25-2013, 04:37 PM
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If it makes you feel any better, I was accused of creating the account for the sole purpose of bashing hank. It seems that Hank is off limits in this board. Maybe he is really the King.
I say we dethrone him and make Prince Talbot the king!

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No, its actually funny how you and 2 lounge posters think im some banned poster, I don't even argue it anymore cause its just comical at this point seeing you get all bent out of shape.
Look man, I got word from a mod that you are who everyone thinks you are, so whatever.. you clearly thrive on attention and now I'm giving it to you.

But yeah, someone who registered at the start of 2013 somehow knows about **** in my life that I've posted on here.. lol

I'm not really bent out of shape about it, its just odd to me that you are allowed and anyone else who comes back from ban is not.

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Amen Amen. One of the best posts ever.

Cracks me up when I see a thread titled sell high on talbot when it should be sell high on hankie.

Much rather spend the extra $7 mio or so to upgrade our 3rd and 4th lines.

Hankie lovers say Hankie carried us for the last 8 yrs but what exactly had he carried us to? One ECF in which he was outplayed by brodeur and gave up 3 goals on his first 5 shots in the pivotal game 5 at MSG. I was there. He was nervous not what a big time goalie would perform.
I think a Gold Medal game is a little bit more pressure than Game 5 of the ECF.

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12-25-2013, 05:26 PM
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I think a Gold Medal game is a little bit more pressure than Game 5 of the ECF.
One would think but 3 goals on the first 5 shots in the first 10 or so minutes of game 5 of the ECF at home in a year he won the vezzz. Then we tied it up only to have a 4th liner scored on him again. That was the series.

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Lundqvist has just for too long masked the deficiancies of this dysfunctional and mediocre team, who seem to refuse to aquire players that actually fit the longterm philosophy, which is asinine during this era. Do they even have a longterm philosophy how to play hockey to be successful? If they have one, they have masked it well.

Hank's own play this season has been uninspired to say the least. Is he past his prime? Has he lost his drive? Is he in a long slump? Is he on his way to have a bad season, which basically every goalie in the leagues has had? Who knows. I'm one of Hank's biggest defenders (I favour the goalie position in general), but I'm not defending his bloated contract. Too much money and way too long of a contract, which is just typical Sather. I advocate the UFA contract of the franchise player will directly indicate how well the management has done its job. Hometown discount, excellent management who has earned it. Overpayment; a dysfunctional management who had to pay what they deserve and have not done their job properly.

In february we'll see how Hank plays behind a legit team in the olympics and how much he has left in the tank. If he plays uninspired hockey, at least the team will have the Monster waiting on the bench. The Rangers do not have such luxury with depth.

I assume nobody thinks Talbot in net will actually solve anything. The core that is supposed to form the backbone of the team has looked awful and hasn't been close to meet expectations whatsoever since the lockout. The Rangers are quickly becoming the new Islanders. We all know the guy running this team is the one who should be fired, but since it's ok to be a mediocre GM for eternity under Dolan, nothing will happen. The NYR management as a whole is just bad.


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He is a long time troll who was banned and is oddly allowed by mods to post despite everyone knowing who he is.
Oh boy well I was just joking bc I remember how that champ guy was posting about how he was so right even though everyone disagreed. He was very adamant about the importance of being right. So since blob there was so vocal about how right he was in the face of such ardent opposition (even though there wasn't really much opposition at least not initially) i made a little call back comment. I'm sure you are implying he used to be someone else besides champ. But his comment just made me remember how many people hated champ in that one thread lol

I would have enjoyed very much seeing him comment on how something like 4 or 5 recent games violated his 1st goal wins assertion

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I assume nobody thinks Talbot in net will actually solve anything. The core that is supposed to form the backbone of the team has looked awful and hasn't been close to meet expectations whatsoever since the lockout.
The core that is supposed to form the backbone of the team has managed to win 80% of the games when Talbot has been appointed to be the starter..


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Amen Amen. One of the best posts ever.

Cracks me up when I see a thread titled sell high on talbot when it should be sell high on hankie.

Much rather spend the extra $7 mio or so to upgrade our 3rd and 4th lines.

Hankie lovers say Hankie carried us for the last 8 yrs but what exactly had he carried us to? One ECF in which he was outplayed by brodeur and gave up 3 goals on his first 5 shots in the pivotal game 5 at MSG. I was there. He was nervous not what a big time goalie would perform.
He carried us nowhere in the last 8 years. Instead it was Renney and Torts 6 goalie system that carried Hank. And even with that, he under performed. He is average at best and any goalie would of done the same under these conditions and much better I should say.
It is funny though how people here gave all the credit to Hank for winning games in the past, but blaming the team for loses.

Hank = commercial + over hype + overrating

This is the worst move Sather made ever. And he made many bad moves in the past. Rangers are now doomed for years to come.

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He carried us nowhere in the last 8 years. Instead it was Renney and Torts 6 goalie system that carried Hank. And even with that, he under performed. He is average at best and any goalie would of done the same under these conditions and much better I should say.
It is funny though how people here gave all the credit to Hank for winning games in the past, but blaming the team for loses.

Hank = commercial + over hype + overrating

This is the worst move Sather made ever. And he made many bad moves in the past. Rangers are now doomed for years to come.


I need to buy u a beer.

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I'm part of the 2013 new members class and some people here are making us look horrible. To the vets, not everyone who registered in 2013 hates Hank, trust me!

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The core that is supposed to form the backbone of the team has managed to win 80% of the games when Talbot has been appointed to be the starter..
It's certainly not that simple, there's a little bit more to it than that. If you believe it's that simple, go ahead.
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He carried us nowhere in the last 8 years. Instead it was Renney and Torts 6 goalie system that carried Hank. And even with that, he under performed. He is average at best and any goalie would of done the same under these conditions and much better I should say.
It is funny though how people here gave all the credit to Hank for winning games in the past, but blaming the team for loses.

Hank = commercial + over hype + overrating

This is the worst move Sather made ever. And he made many bad moves in the past. Rangers are now doomed for years to come.
And here we go. Hank is having a bad season and all of a sudden nothing Hank has done is worth water. Why hack on the present, when you can try to be a proper revisionist and sensationalist and rewrite what has been? All the haters come storming in bunches with their new accounts (coincidence? I think not), after years of repression where you couldn't spew your hate during all these years without looking like fools. After Gomez, Redden and Drury, this is the worst contract in Rangers history. And while you're at it, name one goalie in hockey history that has carried his team single handedly to a cup. I will spare you the trouble: no one. Not even Hasek could. If you believe it's Hank's fault this franchise hasn't won a cup since -94, I've got news for you.

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I'm part of the 2013 new members class and some people here are making us look horrible. To the vets, not everyone who registered in 2013 hates Hank, trust me!
No one here hates Hank. You just need to take off your blind fold. The man love for Hank is just getting old and frankly speaking absurd.

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No one here hates Hank. You just need to take off your blind fold. The man love for Hank is just getting old and frankly speaking absurd.
Who are you trying to fool? Multiple top 3 in Vezina votes more often than not and a Vezina winner? Voted by other NHL players to be the toughest goalie to score against? Constantly in the top 5 of all goalies in the stats that tried to correlate for quality scoring chances? Considered by Hasek to be the best goaltender in the world in 08/09? According to you: average goalie at best. Excellent opinion, sure, it's not hate, just your formed opinion that happens to be quite extreme. The vezina voters, Hasek and other NHL players sure got fooled through multiple years. Good thing you saw through the illusion and saw the truth all this time and conveniently happens to come forward at this time and not before.

I thought the discussion would be about this season and the future. Not reading through posts that wants to revise history as well. How much credibility do you think you have right now?


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It's certainly not that simple, there's a little bit more to it than that. If you believe it's that simple, go ahead.

You don't need another beer, you need a glass of water.

And here we go. Hank is having a bad season and all of a sudden nothing Hank has done is worth water. All the haters come storming in bunches with their new accounts (coincidence? I think not), after years of repression where you couldn't spew your hate during all these years without looking like fools. After Gomez, Redden and Drury, this is the worst contract in Rangers history. And while you're at it, name one goalie in hockey history that has carried his team single handedly to a cup. I will spare you the trouble: no one. Not even Hasek could.
Hank is playing exactly the same way this season as he did in all other seasons, except maybe 2005-2006. I just don't understand how you can't see this. Don't let those 30 games win per season fool you. It was all because of the fact that he played almost all games. He probably leads in loses as well. Consider this: even if you don't make the playoffs you can still get 30 wins if you play a lot. Not a big deal. But it did create a lot of hype around the NHL.

Simple math!


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