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St. Louis re-signs Alex Steen [3 yrs/$17.4M/$5.8 AAV]

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12-20-2013, 12:22 AM
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If he keeps this pace over this next few seasons, this contract is a steal. If he reverts back, it's still a fair price. Great signing.

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12-20-2013, 07:02 AM
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Wow, Patrick Sharp money, good player though.

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12-20-2013, 07:33 AM
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Point-per-game players are re-upping for $8m, no reason Steen shouldn't get at least $5m. Add in what St. Louis fans are saying about his defense, etc... and $5.8 seems like the perfect amount.

I imagine he'll spend most, if not all, of these 3 years on a line with Backes & Oshie? If so, I don't see his production dropping much at all.
G finally has started to come though as a dominant player that he should be. I think thats what deserves the 8 mill. So if Steen continues to play this well, then yes this is a good deal. Its obviously not a steal in anyway.

However, being from philly has shown me that players usually dont live up to these deals. Its FAR more likely that Steen is playing well in a contract year vs just playing well. Not saying he is a bad person but that seems to be a fairly constant trend. I would expect him to no live up to this deal myself. But as others have said once the cap goes up its not a huge deal. especially considering the deals you guys got on Dmen.

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12-20-2013, 07:43 AM
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So glad to see he's doing well. Always wished he could have turned out to be as good as he is when he was in TO. Always seemed like a great team player and community guy!

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12-20-2013, 08:06 AM
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Massive overpayment. And I like the Blues and Steen, he's consistent for several years. But let's be honest, we all know this season isn't representative of Steen's level. I would love to be wrong and to witness Steen leading the Blues the next three years but I cant' see it happen.
By the way, I didn't know Steen was only 29. I pictured hime in his early-mid 30's.

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12-20-2013, 08:59 AM
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Massive overpayment. And I like the Blues and Steen, he's consistent for several years. But let's be honest, we all know this season isn't representative of Steen's level. I would love to be wrong and to witness Steen leading the Blues the next three years but I cant' see it happen.
By the way, I didn't know Steen was only 29. I pictured hime in his early-mid 30's.
It may be a bit of an overpayment, but it's not massive at all.

Steen is one of those players that the Blues cannot afford to give up. As many before me have stated, he's a worthwhile investment even when he is not scoring. He makes everyone better, so with cap room looming, the Blues took advantage and locked him up.

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12-20-2013, 09:46 AM
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Massive overpayment. And I like the Blues and Steen, he's consistent for several years. But let's be honest, we all know this season isn't representative of Steen's level. I would love to be wrong and to witness Steen leading the Blues the next three years but I cant' see it happen.
By the way, I didn't know Steen was only 29. I pictured hime in his early-mid 30's.
If Steen was consistently playing at his current level he would get ~7-8 million. Sure, if Steen regresses back to ~40-50 seasons he will be slightly overpaid, by ~1 million. But the Blues got a heck of a steal on the term length in exchange for that small cap-hit risk. This is a good contract.

With the cap going up to ~71 million next year and then probably making another 6-7 million jump the following year, players' salaries will increase greatly. UFAs-to-be will be cashing in.

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12-20-2013, 10:49 AM
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Massive overpayment. And I like the Blues and Steen, he's consistent for several years. But let's be honest, we all know this season isn't representative of Steen's level. I would love to be wrong and to witness Steen leading the Blues the next three years but I cant' see it happen.
By the way, I didn't know Steen was only 29. I pictured hime in his early-mid 30's.
Watch him play and then decide what he's worth. This isn't a guy cashing in on lucky bounces and some superb playmaker doing the all the work.

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12-20-2013, 10:54 AM
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Starting with the season after he was traded here, he's scored 189 points in 256 games, a 61 point pace over an entire season. Is 256 games a big enough sample size for you?
But how many years has he scored 60 points (actual points, not the magical on pace for points)?

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12-20-2013, 10:59 AM
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But how many years has he scored 60 points (actual points, not the magical on pace for points)?
He actually scored 189 points in 256 actual games.

Now it's 191 in 257.


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12-20-2013, 11:02 AM
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But how many years has he scored 60 points (actual points, not the magical on pace for points)?
What kinda ****** GM pays players for things that happened 4 years ago? He was getting paid what he earned in the past and now he's earned a raise and got it early.

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12-20-2013, 11:05 AM
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But how many years has he scored 60 points (actual points, not the magical on pace for points)?
Other than this season, which bleedblue is including while excluding Steen's '08-'09 season with the Blues, Steen has NEVER been on pace for 60 points let alone hit 60 in any season.

Before this year, Steen was a ~50s point player (if fully healthy) who would consistently miss games.

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12-20-2013, 11:25 AM
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But how many years has he scored 60 points (actual points, not the magical on pace for points)?
It tells me more than enough that you find PPG a "magical" concept. It's called using basic math to gain a better idea of how productive a player is. As opposed to your own analysis of "He didn't hit 60, **** context, derp."

Btw, I get he's never paced at 60 either. His best season was 51 points in 72 games prior to this season.


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12-20-2013, 11:50 AM
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It tells me more than enough that you find PPG a "magical" concept. It's called using basic math to gain a better idea of how productive a player is. As opposed to your own analysis of "He didn't hit 60, **** context, derp."

Btw, I get he's never paced at 60 either. His best season was 51 points in 72 games prior to this season.
It is not a magical concept. Either he hits 60 points in a season or he doesn't.

Inductive reasoning is a ***** and you can't assume that he would get those goals and points because HE NEVER GOT THEM.

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12-20-2013, 12:02 PM
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It is not a magical concept. Either he hits 60 points in a season or he doesn't.

Inductive reasoning is a ***** and you can't assume that he would get those goals and points because HE NEVER GOT THEM.
If you're pacing up, then you kind of have a point, but 191 points in his last 257 Blues regular season games is pacing down.

He looks like a different player this year and if he finds middle ground between this season and his 58 point pace of some of his previous seasons, he'll be a 65 point player.

With the cap going up, he is being paid fairly without this season. He was always going to make more than Weiss, Filppula, Clowe, and Clarkson on the open market and the news of the projected cap made a more significant increase.

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12-20-2013, 01:04 PM
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I'm one of those guys who don't like this whole pace stuff too.
but if you wanna use it with Alexander Steen it is working against him.

how many times has he been hot till a freaking injury hit him and just as pretty much every human he needed time after the injury to be his old self? and how often has he been used as a spark on the 2nd or 3rd line just because he is a guy that gets everyone going? for sure his point totals got down without regular line-mates and position or you think its conspiracy that he is so successful this year when its the first time he gets regular first-line mins with first-line mates?!

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12-20-2013, 02:15 PM
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If you're pacing up, then you kind of have a point, but 191 points in his last 257 Blues regular season games is pacing down.

He looks like a different player this year and if he finds middle ground between this season and his 58 point pace of some of his previous seasons, he'll be a 65 point player.

With the cap going up, he is being paid fairly without this season. He was always going to make more than Weiss, Filppula, Clowe, and Clarkson on the open market and the news of the projected cap made a more significant increase.
Never even said he wasn't worth it. I guess I just have a personal vendetta against the on pace for quotes people use often (Getzlaf is a 90 point player as an example).

He has put up a certain amount of points in a certain amount of games for the Blues. But he also has a problem staying healthy. Being healthy and regressing to his average (actually slightly above) would make it a fine deal considering his 2 way play.

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12-20-2013, 02:33 PM
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I agree that durability is legitimate concern with the money we are giving him, and one that I have myself.

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12-20-2013, 03:03 PM
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Never even said he wasn't worth it. I guess I just have a personal vendetta against the on pace for quotes people use often (Getzlaf is a 90 point player as an example).

He has put up a certain amount of points in a certain amount of games for the Blues. But he also has a problem staying healthy. Being healthy and regressing to his average (actually slightly above) would make it a fine deal considering his 2 way play.
I agree with this. big Steen fan here but all this on pace bs is annoying and pretty irrelevant.
and yes, his health is a concern and thats why he only got a 3-year deal.


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"upper body" injury

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"upper body" injury
Hopefully not out long but these injuries where he is gone for around 10 games a year is why he wasn't paid 6 mill a year for 5 years.

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Never even said he wasn't worth it. I guess I just have a personal vendetta against the on pace for quotes people use often (Getzlaf is a 90 point player as an example).

He has put up a certain amount of points in a certain amount of games for the Blues. But he also has a problem staying healthy. Being healthy and regressing to his average (actually slightly above) would make it a fine deal considering his 2 way play.
I get what your saying, but I think that PPG pace does need to be a factor in the equation when evaluating a player.

Yes, it should be noted that injury concerns are a real thing with Steen. A player's ability to be on the ice contributing is an important consideration when evaluating a player.

But pace does need to be taken into consideration. A player who puts up 60 points in 82 games is different from a player who puts up 44 points in 60 games. And they are both different from a player who puts up 44 points in 75 games.

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