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12-26-2013, 11:57 AM
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My top 15 would look something like

Galchenyuk
Lindholm
Trouba
Murray
Yakupov
Hertl
Maatta
Rielly
Forsberg
Reinhart
Teravainen
Girgensons
Grigorenko
Laughton
Pouliout
Dumba
Imo, Prokhorkin deserves to be at least in top15.

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12-26-2013, 12:15 PM
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It's nice to see Girgensons get some love. The kid is only 19, and already having dominant games against NHLers. Last game against Phoenix he was easily the best player on the ice. I don't think he made one mistake with the puck, and he was consistently creating turnovers. He also had 7 shots. He was rewarded with an assist when he created a turnover at the blue line, and passed the puck up to Ennis who had a break away. I haven't seen a rookie dominate like that since Myer's rookie year. He's going to be a huge part of the culture change in Buffalo, and probably the Sabres captain for the next decade.

And anyone putting Grigorenko ahead of Girgensons... It's some what close, but Girgensons is beginning to take off while Grigorenko still has a long way to go.

I don't see anything funny about people having a different opinion than yours. You might actually have a point if prospect development was linear. Grigs has a higher upside but is a more raw talent. Girgs has a lower upside but is closer to reaching it...could go either way really.

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12-26-2013, 01:45 PM
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I don't see anything funny about people having a different opinion than yours. You might actually have a point if prospect development was linear. Grigs has a higher upside but is a more raw talent. Girgs has a lower upside but is closer to reaching it...could go either way really.
I really hate when people say how someone has higher/lower upside. Like you would have a ****ing clue about that. Just look at late draft picks, Datsyuk for example. Nobody knew his upside back then.... umm let's look Giroux, nobody had a clue about his upside.

I don't know did you get my point, but there really isn't any clue for upsides of players. It's how they adapt & develop individually. Sure some REALLY talented juniors that step up drastically are a different story, like Crosby.

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12-26-2013, 03:16 PM
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1. Galchenyuk
2. Lindholm
3. Murray
4. Yakupov
5. Trouba
6. Hertl
7. Reilly


Those are above the rest IMO.

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12-26-2013, 03:24 PM
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1. Galchenyuk
2. Trouba
3. Lindholm
4. Murray
5. Forsberg
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12-26-2013, 03:30 PM
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1 - A.Galchenyuk.
2 - R.Murray.
3 - J.Trouba.
4 - H.Lindholm.
5 - M.Rielly.
6 - N.Yakupov.
7 - Z.Girgensons.
8 - T.Hertl.
9 - F.Forsberg.
10 - M.Dumba.

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12-26-2013, 05:53 PM
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I really hate when people say how someone has higher/lower upside. Like you would have a ****ing clue about that. Just look at late draft picks, Datsyuk for example. Nobody knew his upside back then.... umm let's look Giroux, nobody had a clue about his upside.

I don't know did you get my point, but there really isn't any clue for upsides of players. It's how they adapt & develop individually. Sure some REALLY talented juniors that step up drastically are a different story, like Crosby.

Wrong, there absolutely is a clue...it's called talent. We don't know anybody's exact upside but to say there really isn't any clue is just plain wrong.

Maybe take a deep breath before posting first, nothing to get bent about.

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12-26-2013, 07:54 PM
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I don't see anything funny about people having a different opinion than yours. You might actually have a point if prospect development was linear. Grigs has a higher upside but is a more raw talent. Girgs has a lower upside but is closer to reaching it...could go either way really.
I think it's funny, because I have watched nearly every game they have played in the NHL, and I'll tell ya, Girgensons is considered untouchable by Sabres fans. I love Grigorneko's potential, but he'd have to max out to surpass the contributions Girgs will be making for this squad. If Grigorenko becomes anything less than a top line center...I strongly believe Girgs will be more valuable. It's only an opinion, you're right, but as of right now management has been praising Girgs.

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12-27-2013, 11:17 AM
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Wrong, there absolutely is a clue...it's called talent. We don't know anybody's exact upside but to say there really isn't any clue is just plain wrong.

Maybe take a deep breath before posting first, nothing to get bent about.
No there really isn't, there is only knowledge of talent of the prospect, nobody has a clue about their upsides as there is only assumptions, especially for players picked outside top-10, probably outside top-5.
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12-27-2013, 11:54 AM
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No there really isn't, there is only knowledge of talent of the prospect, nobody has a clue about their upsides as there is only assumptions, especially for players picked outside top-10, probably outside top-5.
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I have no idea what your point is?

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12-27-2013, 11:58 AM
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Ceci needs love been underrated for too long loooked good in the ahl and so far in the nhl

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12-27-2013, 12:00 PM
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I have no idea what your point is?
Scouts had no clue

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12-27-2013, 12:07 PM
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Scouts had no clue

You are talking about something different than upside.

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12-27-2013, 12:08 PM
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Scouts had no clue
I think that goes back to development isn't linear, you really aren't making a strong case in your argument.

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12-27-2013, 12:09 PM
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Ceci needs love been underrated for too long loooked good in the ahl and so far in the nhl

I'd peg him somewhere between 11-15...which isn't bad coming from a Toronto fan

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12-27-2013, 01:58 PM
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As a Sabres fan, there has been a serious underrating of Girgensons. He should be in the top 5 if we're talking about a 2 way hockey player with all intangibles. If we're just taking about offensive potential, then he out of top 10.

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12-27-2013, 02:01 PM
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You are talking about something different than upside.
Different? Scouts assumed that those players had higher upside, but they didn't. Who would draft a player #1 who can't stay as a NHL regular?

I'm only saying that especially people in these forums should be quiet about players upsides, and how other player is capable of scoring 100 points, when there is no freaking proof, only that he has potted +2ppg in junior leagues. However I also said that there are players who's upsides can be noticed early, but those are only really the players that go in top-5 of drafts. We talk about Grigs and Girgs, drafted very close to each other, outside the top-10. I'd say there is no clue which player has higher upside at this point, right now it shows that the player is Girgensons, as he is actually producing in the NHL.

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12-27-2013, 02:11 PM
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1. Jacob Trouba
2. Alex Galchenyuk
3. Andrei Vasilevski
4. Thomas Hertl
5. Olli Määttä
6. Hampus Lindholm
7. Ryan Murray
8. Filip Forsberg
9. Tom Wilson
10. Teuvo Teräväinen


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12-27-2013, 02:16 PM
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My top 15 would look something like

Galchenyuk
Lindholm
Trouba
Murray
Yakupov
Hertl
Maatta
Rielly
Forsberg
Reinhart
Teravainen
Girgensons
Grigorenko
Laughton
Pouliout

I love this list actually and it's probably the closest I've seen to what mine would be.

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12-27-2013, 02:20 PM
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Some of these lists are hilarious

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12-27-2013, 02:31 PM
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The lack of Ceci on a lot of lists is disappointing. At this point he is a clear step above guys like Reinhart, Pouliot, Girgensons, Wilson, etc. and he's still got a ton of potential.

It's really hard to place some of these guys though. Yakupov clearly has a ton of skill and talent, but has regressed a ridiculous amount. Gally I don't think has the best potential but is probably the safest to reach it.

1. Galchenyuk
2. Yakupov
3. Lindholm
4. Ceci
5. Hertl
6. Forsberg (I still really like him)
7. Murray
8. Maata
9. Trouba
10. Rielly

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12-27-2013, 02:44 PM
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The lack of Ceci on a lot of lists is disappointing. At this point he is a clear step above guys like Reinhart, Pouliot, Girgensons, Wilson, etc. and he's still got a ton of potential.

It's really hard to place some of these guys though. Yakupov clearly has a ton of skill and talent, but has regressed a ridiculous amount. Gally I don't think has the best potential but is probably the safest to reach it.

1. Galchenyuk
2. Yakupov
3. Lindholm
4. Ceci
5. Hertl
6. Forsberg (I still really like him)
7. Murray
8. Maata
9. Trouba
10. Rielly
You're living in a dream world if you think Ceci is "a clear step above Girgensons" right now. Ceci has just played 7 games in the NHL.

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12-27-2013, 02:57 PM
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This is way too early buy ill give it a shot;

Yakupov
Galchenyuk
Murray
Grigorenko
Rielly
Trouba
Lindholm
Reinhart
Forsberg
Teräväinen
Post from Feb, 6...


Some changes I would make ;

Galchenyuk
Yakupov
Lindholm
Murray
Hertl
Rielly
Trouba
Grigorenko
Maata
Reinhart

so I basically changed everything, and I'm sure if I checked again in 7 months I would change it all again. It's all about "what you've done for me lately".

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12-27-2013, 03:00 PM
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You're living in a dream world if you think Ceci is "a clear step above Girgensons" right now. Ceci has just played 7 games in the NHL.
Right, and Drouin has never played in the NHL before, but I'm sure that most people would say that he's a 'clear step above Girgensons' also.

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12-27-2013, 03:04 PM
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Galchenyuk
Trouba
Lindholm
Rielly
Murray
Hertl
Maata
Forsberg
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