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01-16-2007, 02:31 PM
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I see NO point to pick up Murray. We have ENOUGH 4th liners. We just picked up Jason Krog...now Murray? Trust me, im not a big fan of Hall either, but i dont see him being an Upgrade really over him. The bottom 6 doesnt need to be added to right now. Its that 2nd line the team should be focusing to fix right now.

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01-16-2007, 02:41 PM
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Most Habs fans say he's one of the worst players in the entire NHL. And what I've seen of him this year is the same as their viewpoint.

The guy is done at the NHL level. DONE. A never was, if you will. He's awful.

Why would we even think of claiming him?

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01-16-2007, 04:26 PM
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Barely with the team.Most of the fans want him banished while the HC seems to really like him
Not anymore.....

Id say most of us like him now(as a 4th liner of course)...much more then players like Orr and Hall.

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01-16-2007, 04:34 PM
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Most Habs fans say he's one of the worst players in the entire NHL. And what I've seen of him this year is the same as their viewpoint.

The guy is done at the NHL level. DONE. A never was, if you will. He's awful.

Why would we even think of claiming him?
He just never really developed and my understanding is at this point, he doesn't even look like a 4th liner fighter/checker type.

Real shame because he looked like one of those kids who wasn't going to be a huge scorer but could really be a valuable member for many years.

Both him and Hollweg's offensive games are mysteries to me.

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01-16-2007, 04:54 PM
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How are they mysteries if they don't even exist.

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01-16-2007, 05:20 PM
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He just never really developed and my understanding is at this point, he doesn't even look like a 4th liner fighter/checker type.

Real shame because he looked like one of those kids who wasn't going to be a huge scorer but could really be a valuable member for many years.

Both him and Hollweg's offensive games are mysteries to me.
I'm with you here. I never expected much in the way of scoring at the NHL level for Hollweg, but a complete lack of scoring this year for him really has me scratching my head. Ryan was a competent if not prolific scorer in the WHA. He can skate and by all accounts I've read pass, stick handle, and shoot. Just one of those things I guess.

As for Murray I'm also baffled. His development just stalled once he got to Hartford. Some accounts I've read on other boards suggest he became more than a little unnerved by it. Like Hollweg he's not the biggest guy but he was known as guy who skate very well, hit persistently, and fight pretty competently. Who can say what the answer is, but it's a little weird how things go for certain players.

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01-16-2007, 06:25 PM
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I would definitely pick up Garth Murray because I think that he still has some offensive upside.

I think that we can pick him up and send him to Hartford...or, we can get rid of Orr and let Murray play for the big club. Either way, we need to get this guy back!
A team can't pick up a player off of waivers and send him to the AHL.

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01-16-2007, 06:44 PM
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I'm with you here. I never expected much in the way of scoring at the NHL level for Hollweg, but a complete lack of scoring this year for him really has me scratching my head. Ryan was a competent if not prolific scorer in the WHA. He can skate and by all accounts I've read pass, stick handle, and shoot. Just one of those things I guess.

As for Murray I'm also baffled. His development just stalled once he got to Hartford. Some accounts I've read on other boards suggest he became more than a little unnerved by it. Like Hollweg he's not the biggest guy but he was known as guy who skate very well, hit persistently, and fight pretty competently. Who can say what the answer is, but it's a little weird how things go for certain players.
Yeah I mean, don't get me wrong I wasn't expected superstar numbers but you'd at least expect to get something.

With Murray it seemed he just kept getting hurt and other things just never developed.

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01-16-2007, 06:54 PM
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A team can't pick up a player off of waivers and send him to the AHL.
Yes you can. They just have to pass through waivers again and the team that originally placed said player on waivers has first dibs on him.

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01-16-2007, 08:05 PM
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Yeah I mean, don't get me wrong I wasn't expected superstar numbers but you'd at least expect to get something.

With Murray it seemed he just kept getting hurt and other things just never developed.
Murray reminded me of Graves when he was young. The one thing that was obvious though was that he did not have a scorer's hands. His skating ability got in to position to have a scoring threat, but not a finisher. Shame. Gave an honest, hard working effort.

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01-17-2007, 12:17 AM
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Yes you can. They just have to pass through waivers again and the team that originally placed said player on waivers has first dibs on him.
That really doesn't make sense. There was a rule that prevented a team from doing that in the old CBA, I'm sure there's a rule about it in the new one too (I can't check it though, I have a very old computer and it won't download the CBA from the nhlpa site).

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01-17-2007, 01:44 AM
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uh, what? How about no. At the very least, Jason Ward and Adam Hall have better trade value. They are decent depth players.

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How are they mysteries if they don't even exist.
I'm guessing they mean that both of them get chances but just don't seem to score, common sense maybe?

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01-17-2007, 09:50 AM
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That really doesn't make sense. There was a rule that prevented a team from doing that in the old CBA, I'm sure there's a rule about it in the new one too (I can't check it though, I have a very old computer and it won't download the CBA from the nhlpa site).
There was no rule that prevented them from sending a player to the AHL. That would be absurd.

There was a rule preventing a player from being traded back to his old team, I believe, and I remember Dean McCammoned having that happen to him so he had to sit out the rest of the year.

I believe, and I'm nearly 100% sure of this, that if you send the player to the AHL than the original team that waived him has first crack at him and can either accept the player back or refuse him (in which case he'd be placed on waivers by the new team and sent to the AHL like they were trying to do in the first place).

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01-17-2007, 10:41 AM
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Garth,Jed,Hollweg,Betts,Ward,Hossa

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Garth,Jed,Hollweg,Betts,Ward,Hossa
What's that, your dream team?

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What's that, your dream team?
A solid bottom 6?

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A solid bottom 6?
Maybe...they'd need to score more before I jump on board with you. That's just my opinion though.

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Garth,Jed,Hollweg,Betts,Ward,Hossa
If that's the answer to a question, the question must be:

Name 6 hockey players who won't score 10 goals as a group this year?

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01-17-2007, 01:46 PM
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WARD Hossa and JED couldn't hit the side of J.D."s fat bottem from 6 inches away. Hollweg brings a lot of energy to the team but he sucks offenively also. Murray has a nice head do but can't score or fight well. We need players not just people we like for kool names or the fact they speak English

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If that's the answer to a question, the question must be:

Name 6 hockey players who won't score 10 goals as a group this year?
I'll take "Offensively Challanged Forwards" for a thousand Alex.

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Murray reminded me of Graves when he was young. The one thing that was obvious though was that he did not have a scorer's hands. His skating ability got in to position to have a scoring threat, but not a finisher. Shame. Gave an honest, hard working effort.
I always saw a Darren McCarty type. 10-15 goals, 30-40 points and 150 some odd PIM.

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Garth,Jed,Hollweg,Betts,Ward,Hossa
Nice AHL team your starting there, who would you add as the enforcer?

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Nice AHL team your starting there, who would you add as the enforcer?
Hahaha.

I'll take Betts, Ward and Ortmeyer as a fourth line. Nothing more. PKer I guess for Orts. Hollweg is a nice scratch. Garth Murray? Please. Ask the Habs fans, he sucks.

I'll note that in Garth Murray's last 81 AHL games, he has 11 points. That's just fantastic. The kid belongs in the ECHL.

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Well guys...it must mean you won the trade....
I wouldn't say quite that. Hossa is going to help the Rangers but from Gainey's perspective it must have been;

"OK, we have Perezhogin and Kostitsyn and many other wingers. Why do we need Hossa? Now, let me see. Where are we lacking depth for the 2006 season? Center.

I think I'll move Hossa. He's good but he's also not his brother. If we get too many more Euro wingers I'm going to need some aspirin. Besides, there's really no center in Hamilton who I feel confident exposing to the NHL right now. Murray at the least will help in the 2006 campaign. If he falters in 2007, Lapierre should be ready or maybe another center prospect. I'll probably look like the loser of this trade but with this logjam I have to do something with Hossa."

Having said all of that the Rangers still come out on top but sometimes trades can't be measured just pound for pound (IMHO)

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