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12-07-2013, 01:23 PM
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When did Vanek to Montreal every even become an option?!? Trade??

I don't see him signing there. He has a family that will want to stay in the states, and especially somewhere that actually speaks English.
Oh really? Are you friends with Thomas Vanek's son too?

By the way, Montreal is a fairly bilingual city and does possess anglophone schools

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When did Vanek to Montreal every even become an option?!? Trade??

I don't see him signing there. He has a family that will want to stay in the states, and especially somewhere that actually speaks English.
You don't know anything about Montreal, don't you?

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You don't know anything about Montreal, don't you?
You'll have to forgive him.

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Alot of people are saying hes going to Minnesota, that looks pretty realistic especially with Heatleys contract coming off the books

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Vanek

Isles fan coming in peace.

Would like to thank those who pointed out Mr. Vanek is streaky. Clearly on a hot streak now.

As much as many isles fans believed that Vanek would help Tavares, truth is Tavares has helped Vanek much more than Vanek has helped Tavares. Vanek's+/- vastly improved since the deal while Tavares and stayed the same an Okposo has actually gotten worse.

Will be interesting when he goes cold again.

Still believe there is zero chance he signs with them.

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When did Vanek to Montreal every even become an option?!? Trade??

I don't see him signing there. He has a family that will want to stay in the states, and especially somewhere that actually speaks English.
In fact we are hesitating between Vanek and Crosby.


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Isles fan coming in peace.

Would like to thank those who pointed out Mr. Vanek is streaky. Clearly on a hot streak now.

As much as many isles fans believed that Vanek would help Tavares, truth is Tavares has helped Vanek much more than Vanek has helped Tavares. Vanek's+/- vastly improved since the deal while Tavares and stayed the same an Okposo has actually gotten worse.

Will be interesting when he goes cold again.

Still believe there is zero chance he signs with them.
Actually, Vanek and Tavares have both been terrible without the other, and Okposo has been doing nothing but get scored on away from JT.

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I'd add:

-Tends to take lazy stick foul penalties, especially in the offensive zone. This can be very frustrating.

-I don't think he has a ton of mental toughness when things aren't going his way. You'll seem him looking to the rafters a lot.

-A pretty good ES scorer, but not dominant. His value comes primarily on the PP.

-You're probably not getting a point/game guy that some might think he is based on last year's numbers. He scored 23 pts in the first 11 games, then cooled to 18 pts in his last 27 games. He has 18 pts in 26 games this year. He's likely closer to a 60-65 pt scorer than an 80-point scorer.
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I'll add

- While there will occasionally be the highlight reel "no look, through the legs" assist, he's not a playmaker by any stretch

- Although he's built to take a beating, he is not engaged physically to the degree you would expect.

- Has an incredible shot, but doesn't use it enough

- You'll notice the high effort back check and the hounding stick check... but it happens sporatically, not consistently

- Floats a lot

- He was our best offensive player for a long time... do you want your best offensive player to be a net front goal scorer who brings little else to the table?
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I'd say he's not explosive. He stands in front of the net and deflects the puck in. Very useful, but for he's not a all-situations kind of guy. He always reminded me of Dave Andreychuck.
Without the hands or reach of Andreychuk, but with a much better shot, especially with an occasional 1-timer. But, in terms of high-value with incomplete skill set, the comparison is apt.
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Things he's not good at:
-Defense. He actually can be a fairly strong backcheker when he feels like it, but he has a tendency to stay high in the zone in his own end, cheating up for offense.Agree with strong backcheck when he feels like it. But if Vanek turns puck over leading to 2-on-1 other way, he's too often flat-footed and not invovled in back-check. Truly polar in that regard.
-Lazy/bad stick penalties in the offensive zone.
-Not an explosive skater. He's not really slow, but he doesn't beat guys with speed, just clever puck plays (ie, moving around a defender by passing the puck to himself off the boards).He does have a couple toe-drag / end around moves that work from time to time to enable quality scoring chances. They're at least entertaining.
-Sometimes tries too much to be a playmaker. He looks for passes when he has great chances to shoot.agreed

His bread and butter is really in front of the net, especially on the PP. If you need a guy who can take the beating that job involves, score some garbage goals off rebounds, and help your point shooters with deflections, he's your man. He also can be very creative with the puck and make some exciting plays. His 5-on-5 play will definitely be disappointing some nights though.
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I never loved him as a back checker. He would get back a decent number of times, but you're no good to me just by "getting back" if you always skate to the puck carrier and that area strong side, instead of looking around for someone open to take (usually a trailer)

Unintelligent backchecking, I'd call it.
His biggest backchecking weakness, IMO. He either backchecks hard on the carrier, or not at all (polar opposite), or too frequently trails/pursues the carrier but not picking up a trailing opponent.

Another frustration is how slow Vanek coasts crawls off the ice on a line change when he's gassed. Whether or not he's that much slower than anyone else in the NHL, I don't know, but I've not seen anyone more consistently non-chalant on a change.

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When did Vanek to Montreal every even become an option?!? Trade??

I don't see him signing there. He has a family that will want to stay in the states, and especially somewhere that actually speaks English.
Sticking to the hockey points in that post... Yes, trade. Vanek lacks a NMC of any kind. MTL has the space to fit Vanek before trade deadline, and could make moves to fit him now if they wanted to. NYI won't make playoffs. MTL has a good chance to make playoffs, and could push to win Atlantic division.. Why wouldn't Vanek want (not that he has a choice) to go to a playoff team and potentially increase his value before he is a UFA?

To rebut the non-hockey point in the thread... I would relish the opportunity to raise children in a bilingual culture, especially with the experieneces and future benefits/opportunities that would bring.

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Well, this thread just became a lot more useful.

Thanks for your input!

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When did Vanek to Montreal every even become an option?!? Trade??

I don't see him signing there. He has a family that will want to stay in the states, and especially somewhere that actually speaks English.
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They're going to run at like 50% PP efficiency if they draw the right team.

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What are Vanek's downsides?

Playing for his country in the Olympics.
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Interesting Friedman stated that he thought this hurt Vanek's trade value.

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Playing for his country in the Olympics.
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Interesting Friedman stated that he thought this hurt Vanek's trade value.
You think he was wrong?

Vanek went from Moulson + 1st + 2nd to Collberg + 2nd

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Consistant effort, and injuries.

I would have paid Vanek 8 mil and have no problems doing it aside from these two issues. Would have been nice potentially raising 26 to the rooftops in Buffalo. The guy took a ton of abuse playing here and he was a warrior. I hope he goes to Minnesota and wins a cup with Pommer.

Yeah, Vanek's nickname in Buffalo was Thomas Vanish cause he goes cold at times.

But when he's on he's really good.

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Playing for his country in the Olympics.
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Interesting Friedman stated that he thought this hurt Vanek's trade value.
Vanek had a horrible Olympics. So yeah. When everyone is watching. Almost Every GM saw his "Thomas Vanish" alter ego. That couldn't have helped his trade value.

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Yeah, Vanek's nickname in Buffalo was Thomas Vanish cause he goes cold at times.

But when he's on he's really good.
I've literally never heard that until now.

Was this more of a local nickname at bars and stuff?

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He looks lazy because a lot of time he's drifting. But the reality is, he's usually sneaking into the perfect position for messy goals.

Not a downside, but yeah.

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I've literally never heard that until now.

Was this more of a local nickname at bars and stuff?
This forum loves the Vanish nickname. it's about as high as Pominfail was.

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He looks lazy because a lot of time he's drifting. But the reality is, he's usually sneaking into the perfect position for messy goals.

Not a downside, but yeah.
I'll take whatever heartfelt assessment you wanna throw our way. We'll make our own decision in the end, but it's sweet to hear more perspectived opinions

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Good-
Smart knows where to be offensively.
Possibly the best player in the NHL at deflections and camping in front of the net
Always trying to backcheck and lift someones stick.

Bad-
Floats around a lot, so if other linemates aren't making it happen he turns into Thomas Vanish.
Wrist seems to get injured a lot from people slashing him.
Hits the post more than anyone else in the NHL.
Takes lazy backchecking hooking penalties too often.

Meh-
Not the fastest of skaters but he works around that by switching up his speeds.

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Another Vanek downside?

Vanek was not vested in Austria's Olympic quest. Will he be in Montreal's Cup run?

Interesting quote by the GM in LA talking about trading for Gaborik:

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Well I have a hard time thinking somebody’s going to go get his head smashed in St. Louis or San Jose when he’s already talking about going July 1st. So that’s the other factor, he wants to be part of the fabric of this team, versus somebody who’s already told you I want to go to July 1st. To me, it’s too hard in the playoffs. It’s too hard not to be completely invested in that process. [If I guy is thinking] ‘Well my goal is to go to July 1st and I have no interest, well I might have interest, but I want to see what else is out there,’ I don’t know if that’s going to cut it when you’ve got Polak and Jackman out there looking, staring you down.
http://networkedblogs.com/UtJGN

We all think Vanek wants to sign with the Wild. How come they traded for Moulson, when they could have had Vanek with a similar trade?

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- He accumulates injuries over the course of a season, and is usually playing at about 60% by March. But at least he plays through the pain a lot.

- Is very streaky and can disappear completely for weeks at a time, hence the nickname "Thomas Vanish".

- Seems to take one really bad penalty every single game.

- Doesn't hit at all. His size only helps him stay in front of the net.

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He's a pure goal scorer. The rest of his game is hit or miss.

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Haha
Like I said, only way he goes there is trade. Bet you he doesn't sign there in off season.

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