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01-04-2014, 09:45 PM
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I'm sure Dagoon was a good ballplayer, and it sucks what happened to his career. But that has nothing to do with building a hockey team.

And I didn't even see the whole argument so I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, just saying that the two are unrelated.

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01-04-2014, 09:47 PM
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Anything that would justify you being condescending about how to build a hockey team, though?
The involvement in wrestling. it can help construct a gritty rangers team.

Can't be worse than Sather.

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just say you're sorry.

you're really embarrassing yourself now.
I'm really embarrassed, second hand though for your Dagoon white knighting.

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01-04-2014, 09:49 PM
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I would love Ryan Reaves on our 4th line, why the hell not?

Provided the scoring is addressed at other spots in the lineup of course.

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01-04-2014, 10:01 PM
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just say you're sorry.

you're really embarrassing yourself now.
Declaring an argument won without giving a discernible reason why = WINNING

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01-04-2014, 10:09 PM
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Guys you refuse to see the point i am trying to make. You need muscle and grit in the NHL to win.. I think you need a guy like zucc who has been the teams best player. I just think you need a Lucic and a Prust also..

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01-04-2014, 11:14 PM
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Team toughness... let's talk about mental toughness...

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01-05-2014, 01:15 AM
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Guys you refuse to see the point i am trying to make. You need muscle and grit in the NHL to win.. I think you need a guy like zucc who has been the teams best player. I just think you need a Lucic and a Prust also..
Lucic, yes this team could use a Lucic but and maybe a Prust he seemed to be the glue that held the team together however, like I mentioned I agree that that is a team need but I would rank that lower than some of the other things.

You seem like an intelligent person and from what I have seen some of the things that you mention I agree however maybe toning back the condensing nature of your posts and there wouldn't be so many arguments. This is a place for discussion and you can't expect everyone to agree with you.

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01-05-2014, 09:02 AM
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Lucic, yes this team could use a Lucic but and maybe a Prust he seemed to be the glue that held the team together however, like I mentioned I agree that that is a team need but I would rank that lower than some of the other things.

You seem like an intelligent person and from what I have seen some of the things that you mention I agree however maybe toning back the condensing nature of your posts and there wouldn't be so many arguments. This is a place for discussion and you can't expect everyone to agree with you.
Lol, Dagoon you need to come across softer for your sensitive detractors. The irony.......

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01-05-2014, 09:26 AM
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Team toughness... let's talk about mental toughness...
Harder to acquire.

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01-05-2014, 09:29 AM
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Lucic, yes this team could use a Lucic but and maybe a Prust he seemed to be the glue that held the team together however, like I mentioned I agree that that is a team need but I would rank that lower than some of the other things.

You seem like an intelligent person and from what I have seen some of the things that you mention I agree however maybe toning back the condensing nature of your posts and there wouldn't be so many arguments. This is a place for discussion and you can't expect everyone to agree with you.
Can you tell what elements are more important and potential players whom we could realistically obtain to fix what is ailing our team.

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01-05-2014, 09:34 AM
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I made this argument several years ago...if you had a choice, David Krejci or Milan Lucic...not surprisingly, I picked Lucic and even less surprisingly, the same cast of characters preferred Krejci. Krejci is a very good player, Lucic is a generational talent.

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01-05-2014, 09:46 AM
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Lucic is a generational talent.
I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.

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01-05-2014, 09:50 AM
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I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
You're right...who would you take Krejci or Lucic

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I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
Can you tell me who you feel is comparable to Lucic.

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You're right...who would you take Krejci or Lucic
I'd take Lucic. Doesn't makes him a generational talent.

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I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
I get it!

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01-05-2014, 09:58 AM
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I'd take Lucic. Doesn't makes him a generational talent.
Ok, for what he provides to a team, I think it makes him very unique.

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01-05-2014, 10:52 AM
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Harder to acquire.
Yes. Almost impossible for this team. I don't see a lot of people talk about that form of toughness and resiliency. It's an enormous problem. You don't have that then you'll let even the smallest issue on ice get to you, then lose effectiveness. Not saying it happens that easily but it happens.

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01-05-2014, 11:18 AM
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Can you tell what elements are more important and potential players whom we could realistically obtain to fix what is ailing our team.
Ok before the toughness issue:

1. Scoring whether it is just the people who are supposed to be scoring like a Nash to get scoring or drafting someone like Draisaitl this year, if the Rangers are bad enough McDavid(double edge sword... I don't wanna see them that bad but it would be nice to have them draft McDavid). However, it is evident that Nash will not carry the team that was attempted in Columbus and now here, he needs some help with scoring. And this way people like Brassard, Callahan, Hags, etc will not be looked at to fill that #1 scoring position. Richards,Nash, Stepan, and Kreider (Stepan and Kreider not so much as Richie and Nash)

2. The breakout needs a better PMD I suggested someone like Edler who had his best years under AV, his trade value is low now but he's got a good contract.

3. Need Hank to become Hank again if he went back to normal this team would have a better record.

4. Is the toughness of the team, it is important because it does give a spark to the team at times. Reaves would be a good fit on the 4th line.

Games like last night and the Canucks game, prove that the team is able to score and play well.

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01-05-2014, 11:20 AM
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Lol, Dagoon you need to come across softer for your sensitive detractors. The irony.......
The irony someone with "Thug" in their user name coming off as another internet tough guy and defending someone with "goon" in their user name.

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01-05-2014, 11:35 AM
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You have 11 out of 12 forwards that aren't tough.. what more do you want? We dressed one guy that fought and he is now hurt..
Are forward aren't lighting it up i see that but they are know for more offense then grit..
The issue is the players who play the significant minutes are not tough, acquiring some tougher guys to play on the 4th line does little to help. Replace Richards with someone tougher who can play first line center, replace Nash with someone who has normal hockey emotions. Replace Staal with some tougher top 4 defender, but adding in some guys who at best are going to be out there to play against the other team's 4th liners really does not address the toughness. It just takes a roster spot from what would hopefully be a developing player or someone who could at least PK.

If Kreider continues to display toughness and scoring, he will go towards addressing the issue a bit, playing him with Stepan and
Zucc is not maximizing that portion of his game and playing him with Carcillo is not going to help the other portions of his game.

Rangers are soft because the players who are good enough to get the majority of the minutes are soft, not because they do not have enough borderline NHL talent who is also tough.

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01-05-2014, 11:39 AM
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Yes. Almost impossible for this team. I don't see a lot of people talk about that form of toughness and resiliency. It's an enormous problem. You don't have that then you'll let even the smallest issue on ice get to you, then lose effectiveness. Not saying it happens that easily but it happens.
At risk of sounding like a broken record, this comes from the top. Sather has fostered a lazy, easy-way-out, culture.

Renney managed to overcome that because the standards were low and they stumbled upon a dynamic top line and elite goalie.

Torts managed to serve as a buffer between the players and the GM and demanded a level of play and intensity and the players bought in.

Now, with a roster that's not really suited to play any particular style and a softer coach, the team is amazingly fragile.

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I'd take Lucic. Doesn't makes him a generational talent.
When he's the only one of his kind, and the last one of his kind hasn't been in the league since the 90s. IE a true heavyweight that can do it all. It does make him a once in a generation talent.

Not in terms of scoring, but just what he brings to the game because there aren't any others like him.

Last Lucic type guys to play in the NHL were Neely and Lindros in the 90s.

Obviously everyone here looks at the term of generational talent in terms of the Crosby's and Lemeuixs, but I think what he was trying to point out is that Lucic, or a player like Lucic hasn't exactly been a commodity that is widely available.

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Lucic is a generational talent.
Someone clearly doesn't know the definition of a generational talent.

For the record I'd take Lucic over Krejci, but lol.

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