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01-05-2014, 10:03 AM
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I love this board. The Rangers don't score and you guys compare about a lack of scoring. They do score and it's because the opponent sucks and played horribly. Tell me, when has a team played well in the history of the NHL and lost 7-1?

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01-05-2014, 10:14 AM
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I love this board. The Rangers don't score and you guys compare about a lack of scoring. They do score and it's because the opponent sucks and played horribly. Tell me, when has a team played well in the history of the NHL and lost 7-1?
You should try to dig up some of your posts from the October losses to San Jose and Anaheim to see how you tried to explain it.

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01-05-2014, 10:26 AM
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I understand but still. Kreider is too valuable to risk getting hurt in a blowout game
Dion was coming after him with serious intent and I would think there was a better chance of Kreider getting hurt if he didn't defend himself there. I was glad he stood up for himself and slapped the Leaf's Captain on his back.

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01-05-2014, 11:04 AM
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I love this board. The Rangers don't score and you guys compare about a lack of scoring. They do score and it's because the opponent sucks and played horribly. Tell me, when has a team played well in the history of the NHL and lost 7-1?
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You should try to dig up some of your posts from the October losses to San Jose and Anaheim to see how you tried to explain it.
It's always a matter of both. Teams don't win blowout games without playing well, but they also don't get the blowout without the other team playing poorly. These aren't mutually exclusive states of being.

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01-05-2014, 11:07 AM
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A team can play well while the opposition team plays poorly. That is a good recipe for a blowout, should the opposition netminder not play superlatively. As it was, everything was bad for the Leafs, and almost everything was good for the Rangers.
The Rangers were probably trying to work off the guilt from playing a half-assed game the night before, and the good part was that they worked hard. Saying that the Leafs were awful is just simple recognition of fact.

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01-05-2014, 11:43 AM
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I knew eventually he would have to throw down, the way he plays, he picked one of the toughest guys in the league to start with, with his speed and strength, he's creating alot of open ice for himself...
Well I'm a little worried here. If Kreider now thinks he can fight, and picks a real heavyweight, he'll get destroyed.

Phaneuf plays with an edge, but he's not much of a fighter. In fact this hugfest was his first fighting major of the season. Those two just didn't like each other, and settled it this way.

Kreider should continue his physical play, but be careful when it comes to fighting.

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01-05-2014, 11:45 AM
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It's always a matter of both. Teams don't win blowout games without playing well, but they also don't get the blowout without the other team playing poorly. These aren't mutually exclusive states of being.
It is also a matter of realizing that in the East, outside of Boston or Pittsburgh, any team can be Jekyll or Hyde on any given night. Can't score, not sound defensively or goalie allowing softies - one of these often means a loss. If all three are happening while the other team is "on" as the Rangers were last night - you get 7:1.

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01-05-2014, 11:48 AM
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This game was predictable before it played out.

Toronto's first game back home after an emotional and hard fought Winter Classic and the Rangers stumbling into town after getting whipped on the ice and handed a heavy dose of locker room therapy off of it. I thought it'd be a 5-0 shutout and I wasn't far off. Though I thought Ricky boy would have scored a few.

Loved Kreider's game, he's one of the only reasons I'm watching these days and clinging to some hope his best years won't be wasted.

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Well I'm a little worried here. If Kreider now thinks he can fight, and picks a real heavyweight, he'll get destroyed.

Phaneuf plays with an edge, but he's not much of a fighter. In fact this hugfest was his first fighting major of the season. Those two just didn't like each other, and settled it this way.

Kreider should continue his physical play, but be careful when it comes to fighting.
I dont think kreider intends to fight thats not his game. Although if someone challanges him he wont back down

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01-05-2014, 12:12 PM
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clinging to some hope his best years won't be wasted.
Just like the guy in your avatar.

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01-05-2014, 12:41 PM
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Thanks, Glen!
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Well I'm a little worried here. If Kreider now thinks he can fight, and picks a real heavyweight, he'll get destroyed.

Phaneuf plays with an edge, but he's not much of a fighter. In fact this hugfest was his first fighting major of the season. Those two just didn't like each other, and settled it this way.

Kreider should continue his physical play, but be careful when it comes to fighting.
You think he doesn't know who's who on the teams they face? Come on. He's not gonna drop the gloves with a "real heavyweight". Phaneuf and orphan Annie on the Flyers is another story.

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01-05-2014, 01:43 PM
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You think he doesn't know who's who on the teams they face? Come on. He's not gonna drop the gloves with a "real heavyweight". Phaneuf and orphan Annie on the Flyers is another story.
CK will run into problems sooner or later because there's no one to back him up--other than Carcillo. Carcillo is not a major deterrent. You could see earlier Orr going after Boyle--at least somewhat because of a collision/shoving match with Phaneuf. Orr's protecting one of his team's stars--a guy who plays physical. Phaneuf can play physical--he can get involved in scrums--when push really comes to shove--Orr or McLaren will be there and Dion will be ready to go the next game because he'll never really have to answer the bell. For Kreider to become the player he needs to become he is going to have to play physical as well but there's no Orr around. Kreider does not know how to fight. He could use a few pointers from someone who does know. He can defend himself against Phaneuf but his odds are a lot worse against a Wayne Simmonds, Milan Lucic or a Tom Wilson.

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01-05-2014, 01:59 PM
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If JT Miller could remove the pointless one-v-one crap he is always trying from his game, I'd be very fond of him as a player. I think he's taken measured steps forward in his game that move him closer to regular bottom 6 NHL time.

What stood out today was in an offensive assault the guys that did nothing... Callahan, Nash, Stepan.
Miller's attempted dangles don't bother me too much, as he tends to attempt them at a harmless point in the game, and has actually managed to beat a few defenders 1 on 1, including Subban.

Also, it was Stepan that made the nice outlet pass to Kreider for his goal, right?

I also thought Cally had a good game. Was involved, hitting, and contributed to the offense.

The only player I couldn't stand was Nasher.

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01-05-2014, 02:02 PM
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Well I'm a little worried here. If Kreider now thinks he can fight, and picks a real heavyweight, he'll get destroyed.

Phaneuf plays with an edge, but he's not much of a fighter. In fact this hugfest was his first fighting major of the season. Those two just didn't like each other, and settled it this way.

Kreider should continue his physical play, but be careful when it comes to fighting.
I don't think you need to worry about that AT ALL.

Kreider's a smart kid. He knows he's Chris Kreider, not Dylan McIlrath.

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01-05-2014, 02:03 PM
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CK will run into problems sooner or later because there's no one to back him up--other than Carcillo. Carcillo is not a major deterrent. You could see earlier Orr going after Boyle--at least somewhat because of a collision/shoving match with Phaneuf. Orr's protecting one of his team's stars--a guy who plays physical. Phaneuf can play physical--he can get involved in scrums--when push really comes to shove--Orr or McLaren will be there and Dion will be ready to go the next game because he'll never really have to answer the bell. For Kreider to become the player he needs to become he is going to have to play physical as well but there's no Orr around. Kreider does not know how to fight. He could use a few pointers from someone who does know. He can defend himself against Phaneuf but his odds are a lot worse against a Wayne Simmonds, Milan Lucic or a Tom Wilson.
One of these things is not like the other.

And Kreider will be fine. He just showed that he's not afraid to drop the gloves, he's a big strong guy. Even more, he doesn't need a goon to back him up. He doesn't have to fight Orr, or Lucic, or Wilson.

A good player doesn't have to fight a pathetic excuse for a player. They're useless.

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I only saw the first period, but I thought Nash played great in it. Created a few chances out of thin air, plowing through multiple opponents and getting shots off. Looked like his old self to me.

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01-05-2014, 02:29 PM
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It's always a matter of both. Teams don't win blowout games without playing well, but they also don't get the blowout without the other team playing poorly. These aren't mutually exclusive states of being.
Yep and I don't recall saying that the Rangers played well in either game. I MIGHT have said they got some bad bounces in the SJ game without which the score wouldn't be as lopsided and that the team was learning a new system, both were true too, I never said they played well. But BRB continue being you and pull **** of the air. You literally just made that up.

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I don't think you need to worry about that AT ALL.

Kreider's a smart kid. He knows he's Chris Kreider, not Dylan McIlrath.
The Rangers are lacking that skill in their top 6-9 ever since Dubinsky and Prust left. Hopefully Kreider and Miller would be able to bring back some of that (realistically Dubinsky level of course, not Prust).

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I love how CBC wouldn't shut up about kreider

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I love how CBC wouldn't shut up about kreider
Hard not to get excited about a 6-3, 230lb kid with a great shot who skates like the wind.

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The Rangers are lacking that skill in their top 6-9 ever since Dubinsky and Prust left. Hopefully Kreider and Miller would be able to bring back some of that (realistically Dubinsky level of course, not Prust).
Miller might still have a bit of development left to do to get that consistency level in his game that is needed, but I think he is looking really really good right now...

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Miller might still have a bit of development left to do to get that consistency level in his game that is needed, but I think he is looking really really good right now...
I agree.

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Miller might still have a bit of development left to do to get that consistency level in his game that is needed, but I think he is looking really really good right now...
Miller absolutely has development left. He can't even buy drinks yet, he's far from the player he's going to be. He'll be a second line center, i'm sure of it.

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We've been able to win games that were in our favor to win based off of how well we played against them in the 60 minutes. The reason why we've been .500 is because we haven't been able to win against the games that weren't ours to win. When we score first, we have a stellar record, when we don't, we are doomed. It's just another dimension to the lack of ways to find a way to win a game. Whether it's the no show from Henrik this season, or the lack of compete level, we need to find both in order to starting going in the right direction, team wise and games above .500 wise.

We need to be able to win games where it's a battle. We lost late to the Jets and missed major points there. We lost late to the Caps and allowed them a 4 point game. Pittsburgh, out battled and out played and were forced into mistakes too easily. Every tough fight ends in a loss for us which is a damn shame because we used to be able to get those to OT more often than not. Broke our 90 something game streak of at least a point when leading after 2 etc. etc.

The Devils are the opposite of us. They force OT like hell. 1,2,3 goal deficits to start the 3rd, or even later, yet they force OT for their loser points. Without our poor compete level in close games, we'd be up a few more and the Devils without their underdog compete would be in Isles Territory.

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