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01-05-2014, 01:02 PM
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That's a lot of money for someone who has 243 career points

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01-05-2014, 01:05 PM
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5.5 is alot for a guy who hasnt played a full season in years due to injuries. I just think the NYR should trade him OR bring him back on a reasonable contract
That's not really true. Before this season he's only missed more than 6 games once in the previous 5 regular seasons.

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01-05-2014, 01:12 PM
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That's not really true. Before this season he's only missed more than 6 games once in the previous 5 regular seasons.
He hasnt played a full season has he?

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01-05-2014, 01:16 PM
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He hasnt played a full season has he?
I would say anyone playing 75+ games has played a full season.

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So after last night's fluke win everybody is on board to keep this core together. A big chunk of this team has to go. It starts with Callahan and his lack of leadership.

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That's only half his game. Cally's a phenomenal defender and is a heart and soul guy. I would sign him 5 years $30 million. That's not a lot with the cap going up so much.

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01-05-2014, 01:23 PM
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So after last night's fluke win everybody is on board to keep this core together. A big chunk of this team has to go. It starts with Callahan and his lack of leadership.
Lol one win and all our problems are solved right?

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01-05-2014, 01:28 PM
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That's only half his game. Cally's a phenomenal defender and is a heart and soul guy. I would sign him 5 years $30 million. That's not a lot with the cap going up so much.
Phenomenal is a little generous. We shouldn't be overpaying for intangibles. Not at 29. The little things he does will be the first to deteriorate. Either you have an overpaid player who starts to shy away from those things, or someone who will be constantly injured or on the mend. Not interested at anywhere near that kind of money.

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5.5 is alot for a guy who hasnt played a full season in years due to injuries. I just think the NYR should trade him OR bring him back on a reasonable contract
everyone always gets hurt, its hockey, not a sport for the weak.. but if we loose both those guys and what they bring, you minds well do a full rebuild and start moving out nash, hank, maybe even staal..

they are part of the solution not the problem, and for those people who say after a big win problems solved???

how bout we bring our A game every game and we'll see beter results.. this coaching staff sucks!! we have plenty of skill and talent to win games here, prob not cup worthy but can be a team that can be a thorn in a good teams ass and not make it so easy..

if richards was a true number 1c and playing the way he should we'd run ****.. get this team a number 1c and we'll be a solid squad

plus aren't we 11-4 our last 15?

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01-05-2014, 01:34 PM
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everyone always gets hurt, its hockey, not a sport for the weak.. but if we loose both those guys and what they bring, you minds well do a full rebuild and start moving out nash, hank, maybe even staal..

they are part of the solution not the problem, and for those people who say after a big win problems solved???

how bout we bring our A game every game and we'll see beter results.. this coaching staff sucks!! we have plenty of skill and talent to win games here, prob not cup worthy but can be a team that can be a thorn in a good teams ass and not make it so easy..

if richards was a true number 1c and playing the way he should we'd run ****.. get this team a number 1c and we'll be a solid squad
If we lose both guys it should be by trade. We can survive without Callahan and/or Girardi.

I agree, they should play the way they played last night for the rest of the season but probably not.

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01-05-2014, 02:02 PM
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3 trades to fix the Rangers

If I am Sather I would try Nash, MDZ and Skjei for Weber, Forsberg and Budish

I would try to resign Cally and Girardi but unless we are getting a home team discount or a 3 year term I would move on.

Anaheim would be my destination for Cally and Dan as they have many assets that the Rangers could use
Silverberg , Etem , Palmieri ,Vatanen, Pelly, Gibson and Andersen Just to name a few.

I would also ship Lundquist to Florida for a good package of picks and players

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They might do Nash, Callahan, DZ, Skej, 1st for Weber, Forsberg if Sather lubes 'me up a bit first. Poille loves Cally. But you'd have to pay more than your offer for Weber.

Lundqvist isn't going anywhere. He signed a deal to retire in NY and he's been the most elite goalie in the league up til this year. Selling low would be ridiculous if it even was feasible.

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If I am Sather I would try Nash, MDZ and Skjei for Weber, Forsberg and Budish

I would try to resign Cally and Girardi but unless we are getting a home team discount or a 3 year term I would move on.

Anaheim would be my destination for Cally and Dan as they have many assets that the Rangers could use
Silverberg , Etem , Palmieri ,Vatanen, Pelly, Gibson and Andersen Just to name a few.

I would also ship Lundquist to Florida for a good package of picks and players
Pretty much none of those things can or will happen. lol

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Pretty much none of those things can or will happen. lol
Never say never. They said Gomez wasn't tradable.

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Gomez was a solo asset, traded for very few players. You're not going to see a trade that involves 3-4 roster players for 3-5 roster players.

Not to mention, no way a trade like that occurs midseason.

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I appreciate and like Girardi and Callahan a lot. I want them to stay on the team... I'd just rather instead of say 8 years on one contract I'd prefer 8 years over 2-4 contracts smaller years... That's better for both team and player
I know that I am alone on this, but I don't see term as a problem at all, only dollars.

The cap will go up greatly over the coming 8 years. On a regular basis. If we sign a player now to a 5.5m dollar deal, that contract will represent a portion to the cap that is equallent to 3.5-3.9m in 5-6 years and even less in Y 7-8.

You know, if a vet signs a 8 y contract now and still play decent hockey at the age of 36-37 (not that unusual at all), he is a steal and not a burden.

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Wasn't it just the other day that Brooks (or maybe it was someone else) said that the Rangers brass is extremely high on Franson?
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That was Darren Dreger.
Franson can shoot and is a right D, I wouldn't be surprised if we gambled on him and took him on.

But there is no way we are as high on him as Dreger said. He is not a good NHL D. He has very little besides that shot, and even that isn't that special to be honest.

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I know that I am alone on this, but I don't see term as a problem at all, only dollars.

The cap will go up greatly over the coming 8 years. On a regular basis. If we sign a player now to a 5.5m dollar deal, that contract will represent a portion to the cap that is equallent to 3.5-3.9m in 5-6 years and even less in Y 7-8.

You know, if a vet signs a 8 y contract now and still play decent hockey at the age of 36-37 (not that unusual at all), he is a steal and not a burden.
No you aren't alone in this. The league, which hasn't done it's fans a whole lot of good with two lockouts in less than a decade; has done a good job of generating more revenue.

You are 100% right in saying the cap is going to rise, and as that rises the cap hits become less and less significant in terms of how much of a percent out of the whole pie it takes.

I too want to see Cally and G re-signed. Many people may feel otherwise. But I do not see better alternatives.

The market is what it is, and it will always dictate the price players are payed, and now with the newest cba, term as well. Fans can feel whatever they like.

Under the last cap there would have been teams giving out 10-12 year deals to guys like Cally & G if they happened to be the only prime free agent on the market.

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01-05-2014, 03:43 PM
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Franson can shoot and is a right D, I wouldn't be surprised if we gambled on him and took him on.

But there is no way we are as high on him as Dreger said. He is not a good NHL D. He has very little besides that shot, and even that isn't that special to be honest.
Don't know if you had a chance to see the game last night, or Game 7 against BOS that TOR melted down in. Fransen's soft, fly by defense was culpable for a lot of mishaps, and he is pretty turnover prone.

6'5" and plush soft. Not a very NY mix.

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I know that I am alone on this, but I don't see term as a problem at all, only dollars.

The cap will go up greatly over the coming 8 years. On a regular basis. If we sign a player now to a 5.5m dollar deal, that contract will represent a portion to the cap that is equallent to 3.5-3.9m in 5-6 years and even less in Y 7-8.

You know, if a vet signs a 8 y contract now and still play decent hockey at the age of 36-37 (not that unusual at all), he is a steal and not a burden.
That is a good point the only thing is without knowing how much it will go up it is tough to say how much it would be worth in 6 years. If the cap barely goes up for the first 4 that could hurt

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No you aren't alone in this. The league, which hasn't done it's fans a whole lot of good with two lockouts in less than a decade; has done a good job of generating more revenue.

You are 100% right in saying the cap is going to rise, and as that rises the cap hits become less and less significant in terms of how much of a percent out of the whole pie it takes.

I too want to see Cally and G re-signed. Many people may feel otherwise. But I do not see better alternatives.

The market is what it is, and it will always dictate the price players are payed, and now with the newest cba, term as well. Fans can feel whatever they like.

Under the last cap there would have been teams giving out 10-12 year deals to guys like Cally & G if they happened to be the only prime free agent on the market.
Not alone at all. The entire team may not be built well, or have a consistent identity even. But that is not the fault of Girardi or Callahan.

Use Richards' money to get a productive top 2 center next year. It's not hopeless at all.

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It's all about controlling your assets in the modern NHL. There's no reason to let Callahan or Girardi go elsewhere. They aren't going to get max contracts. They'll get more than most people think they should because that's the nature of contracts for players who are going to be free agents. You sign them because your team is better with them and they provide trade chips for the future.

That doesn't mean they can't be traded. If someone ponies up enough I'd trade either but it needs to be a substantial package to get a top pair Dman who eats up minutes or a winder who plays a gritty, two-way game and can put up close to 30 goals.

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Gomez was a solo asset, traded for very few players. You're not going to see a trade that involves 3-4 roster players for 3-5 roster players.

Not to mention, no way a trade like that occurs midseason.
Gomez was a 7 player deal

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It was only a 2 roster player deal.

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It was only a 2 roster player deal.
My Weber deal only had 3 roster players.

A Weber deal sort of reminds me of the Bubba Beck type deal

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