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01-05-2014, 05:05 PM
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Not alone at all. The entire team may not be built well, or have a consistent identity even. But that is not the fault of Girardi or Callahan.

Use Richards' money to get a productive top 2 center next year. It's not hopeless at all.
all well said.. we have awesome pieces.. and the new NHL the way it seems like its going is your going to have to draft well and build your team that way.. more and more teams are locking up their own guys.. g and callahan should retained..im not saying over pay but you should pay them.. worry about here and now and not 5yrs down the line..you get 4-5yrs out of them on a 6 or 7yr deal why not tak that risk..

i think we get a top center in stasny, thorton (wont ask for a long term contract 2/3yr deal) we're looking good..

im hoping to retain MDZ staal g and mac ofcourse and build and everyone steps up like in years past..

better coaching would do wonders.. big wins like last night are unacceptable and lies in the coach not doing a good enough job to get consistency out of his team..

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He hasnt played a full season has he?
Not too many players do, this is a contact sport. But he missed an average of 10 games a season over the last 4 seasons, it really is not that many games.

Plus. AV's system of not preaching shot blocking 101 is going to be better for Cally's longevity.

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So after last night's fluke win everybody is on board to keep this core together. A big chunk of this team has to go. It starts with Callahan and his lack of leadership.
This core should stay together, gutting this team especially the heart and soul of it, will take years to rebuild, years of Lundqvist's prime they don't have.

You do realize if the goal tending has been more spot on Rangers would have at least another 5 or 6 wins now, at least. With good defense, offense will eventually come. The secondary scoring has picked up, and when the primary scoring gets hot again this team is going to win more and more games.

We have seen this team prior to last night rack in a lot of goals. Remember the first Pittsburgh game? When everyone is on their game or mostly everyone this team can do great things, and last night's game should be something to look at when making a decision to rebuild this team, because you don't gut a team or it's big players when they are still close to a playoff spot and are just above .500. you make small tweaks here and there.

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ottawa sun is reporting Ave's are taking calls on Stasny..

id try and get him

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IMO, Callahan and Girardi's best years are coming to a close. We all saw what happened with Drury. He was all heart, but his body wasn't able to last as long as his desire. He and Callahan are very similar players. Small guys who play a highly physical style. Once their bodies start to break down, they break down very quickly. Brenden Morrow is another example. He went from one of the premier power-forwards in the league to a broken down 3rd or 4th liner in a matter of months.

Girardi has been remarkably healthy over his career. Can that last? His breakout pass is average. He can't rush the puck up ice. He's not terribly mobile. Those three things are needed in a transition offense. Can you move him for a guy who projects to be that sort of player in a year or two? The system AV wants to play is going to be supported by the team's ability to transition the puck up ice, and spend more time in the attacking end than their own. I'm not sure that suits Girardi's game that well. He was ideal for Tortorella's system, but even under Renney who wasn't quite as defensive, his game showed some warts.

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Players who could play with Kreider

Just an observation, there have been a lot of younger guys making a splash in the league lately. (Examples like Stone, Lazar, Jurco, Tatar, Etem, Palmieri ) For us we have Kreids and I'm hoping J.T. is coming into his own. Unfortunately the drafting has been...lacking to say the least. With the speculation of trades recently I was wondering who guys would want to see play with our younger guys in the upcoming years. (IM NOT SAYING TRADE TRADE TRADE) But if the right deal comes along...who are a couple younger guys you would want to see us acquire ?

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Just an observation, there have been a lot of younger guys making a splash in the league lately. (Examples like Stone, Lazar, Jurco, Tatar, Etem, Palmieri ) For us we have Kreids and I'm hoping J.T. is coming into his own. Unfortunately the drafting has been...lacking to say the least. With the speculation of trades recently I was wondering who guys would want to see play with our younger guys in the upcoming years. (IM NOT SAYING TRADE TRADE TRADE) But if the right deal comes along...who are a couple younger guys you would want to see us acquire ?
i wouldnt mind a kid like Stone, Nyquist, Etem, Palmieri, Lazar, Samuelsson, Ritchie) kids with size and skill and some grit in their game.. Rangers need more guys like that.. a guy like Brett Ritchie id love in a deal if the Stars like Girardi or Del Zotto.

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if dubi is available FA in 2015 do you sign him and for what?

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if dubi is available FA in 2015 do you sign him and for what?
Probably not. If he has another good season after this and doesn't want to stay in Colombus he will get paid big. He will also want to milk the Rangers for revenge.

I can't see that playing out well in any way for the Rangers.

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I would be interested.

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Probably not. If he has another good season after this and doesn't want to stay in Colombus he will get paid big. He will also want to milk the Rangers for revenge.

I can't see that playing out well in any way for the Rangers.
He will probably get a decent contract, though missing 20 games a year will hurt his value. I could see him wanting to come back to NY though, and thus not trying to milk them any more than every other team interested in his services. If he came back and played C like he has in CBJ I would be interested. Great face off guy and he's been producing well since the trade.

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What about something like:

Del Zotto + ______

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Kadri + Gardiner

Kadri is constantly benched in Toronto. Gardiner doesn't look good in Carlyle's system. The Leafs like MDZ.

Hard to determine what piece the Leafs like on top of MDZ. All of the players mentioned need a change of scenery.

That's the type of deal the Rangers need to be looking for. What other young players need a change of scenery?
Not bad, kinda like it even though I am absolutely not a Kadri fan. Those are definitely AV type of players, though.

What's that + is what I want to know...

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IMO, Callahan and Girardi's best years are coming to a close. We all saw what happened with Drury. He was all heart, but his body wasn't able to last as long as his desire. He and Callahan are very similar players. Small guys who play a highly physical style. Once their bodies start to break down, they break down very quickly. Brenden Morrow is another example. He went from one of the premier power-forwards in the league to a broken down 3rd or 4th liner in a matter of months.

Girardi has been remarkably healthy over his career. Can that last? His breakout pass is average. He can't rush the puck up ice. He's not terribly mobile. Those three things are needed in a transition offense. Can you move him for a guy who projects to be that sort of player in a year or two? The system AV wants to play is going to be supported by the team's ability to transition the puck up ice, and spend more time in the attacking end than their own. I'm not sure that suits Girardi's game that well. He was ideal for Tortorella's system, but even under Renney who wasn't quite as defensive, his game showed some warts.
I don't think you can, the only thing more costly than a 30 year old #1RD is a younger #1 RD. The good ones are not available for cheap. If you are willing to live with growing pains, you will have to take a chance with a D needing further development than just 1 or 2 years.

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I don't think you can, the only thing more costly than a 30 year old #1RD is a younger #1 RD. The good ones are not available for cheap. If you are willing to live with growing pains, you will have to take a chance with a D needing further development than just 1 or 2 years.
Girardi is a #2 defender. He has rarely ever been the best guy on his pairing. I really don't think it would be such an ordeal to find a kid who might be a #2 if developed properly.

I swear the idea of a RHD has taken on mythical status around here.

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Girardi is a #2 defender. He has rarely ever been the best guy on his pairing. I really don't think it would be such an ordeal to find a kid who might be a #2 if developed properly.

I swear the idea of a RHD has taken on mythical status around here.
It's not mythical status, but they are not easily found.

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When Sharks general manager Doug Wilson tweaked the team's blue line in late February with the additions of Ian White and Justin Braun, he emphasized the importance of both being right-shot defensemen.

"There's not many of them out there," he said. "It's like looking for left-handed pitching."

Wilson was shedding light on a curious NHL phenomenon: Left-shot players far outnumber their right-shot counterparts. That disparity is especially seen among defensemen.

"You can't help but notice," said Jason Demers, a right-shot Sharks defenseman. "But I have no idea why. Nobody knows for sure, but it's weird."

It gets even weirder.

Canadian and European hockey players tend to be left shot while more Americans are right shot.

"I wish I had a good reason for why that is," said Mike Mountain, director of sticks and blades at Van Nuys, Calif.-based Easton Sports. "But the reason there are more left-shot players in the NHL is because there are more from Canada and international markets than from the U.S."

The NHL does not keep track of the left shot/right shot ratio among players. But earlier this season, The Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto wrote that in a typical year between 60 and 66 percent of NHL players shoot from the left -- numbers that are in line with estimates of stick-makers. Of the 29 skaters on the Sharks' roster this season, 17 are left shots (59 percent).

And the Norris Trophy is an indication of the paucity of right-shot blue-liners over the years. The award, which goes to the league's top defenseman, has been handed out since 1954 and the only righties to win it are Chris Chelios (three times), retired Shark Rob Blake and Al MacInnis.

"I didn't know that," Blake said. "I only know that there were fewer right-handed defensemen on almost every team I've played on."

In a perfect world, teams would match up left and right shots on their defensive pairings. (The Sharks currently have four of each on their roster.)

"You're more comfortable getting pucks off the boards on your forehand than you would on your backhand," Sharks coach Todd McLellan said. "It also makes it easier to go back and retrieve pucks."

Just as a left-handed pitcher forces batters to adjust, a right-shot defenseman also can give a hockey team's power play a new look.
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Girardi is a #2 defender. He has rarely ever been the best guy on his pairing. I really don't think it would be such an ordeal to find a kid who might be a #2 if developed properly.

I swear the idea of a RHD has taken on mythical status around here.
I don't think that's it. I think the idea of a RHD with a cannon for a shot is what everyone wants. Think Byfuglien/Suter/Subban etc. Completely changes the look of a powerplay. PKers start cheating to that side to block it which opens up space for someone like Nash on the RW half boards for a one timer. And of course if they don't overload the left side you have a rocket of a shot to set up on a one timer

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Would you take Byfuglien back for Girardi? Perhaps a 3 way deal involving a contender sending something to Winnipeg. If Dan G is moved we'll have to get back someone capable of playing similar minutes.

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Would you take Byfuglien back for Girardi? Perhaps a 3 way deal involving a contender sending something to Winnipeg. If Dan G is moved we'll have to get back someone capable of playing similar minutes.
Gladly. I'd throw in lots of other stuff, too.

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Would you take Byfuglien back for Girardi? Perhaps a 3 way deal involving a contender sending something to Winnipeg. If Dan G is moved we'll have to get back someone capable of playing similar minutes.
Pretty sure we'd have to add heavily to Girardi to get Byfuglien, but yeah I'd absolutely do it. Put him with McDonagh to compensate on defense and leave him out there on the point the whole PP

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Gladly. I'd throw in lots of other stuff, too.
Basically this. Would I take Buff for Girardi? The Rangers would undoubtedly be adding. WPG has no interest in G though; they're stacked on the right side actually making Buff potentially expendable (they seem more invested in Bogosian) and looking for help up front. I would absolutely explore packaging Callahan, who we would also be adding quite a bit to, to land Byfuglien.

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Why would he?
I'm not really hoping for him to wake up one day and come to the realization that he's terrible at his job, more so that he'll wake up one day and just be fed up with the whole damn thing and step down out of frustration. Sigh. One can hope.

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That is a good point the only thing is without knowing how much it will go up it is tough to say how much it would be worth in 6 years. If the cap barely goes up for the first 4 that could hurt
Yeah, but a few things. The PA has a 5% bumper, if the cap is 70m that is minimum 3.5m increase. With the bumper alone and no growth at all, the cap hits 103m in 8 y. The difference between paying someone 5.5m in under a 63m cap vs a 103m cap speaks for itself.

I am on the phone and won't get into to much nitty gritty details, but the NHL is growing on a yearly basis for several reasons. Remember that the league grew during the worst financial crisis in 80 years (and history is not short on financial crisis).

As a starting number, take the numbers I've mentioned and add a ton. 103m in 8 years? Expect 148m (really, that is almost modest growth in relation to the last ten years).

Then this can be affected by a few factors. The US economy is thriving with the new energy found, gas and oil. Could the USD strengthen in relation to the loonie? 1/3 of NHL revenue is in Canadian dollar. This means for example that if the USD becomes 10% more valuable than the Canadian dollar, 1/3 of 10%, ie 3%, is lost of HRR and since the player share is 1/2 of HRR this hits the cap with a 1.5%.

My point is this, in relation to history expect to see normal growth. In relation to people's expectations, expect extreme growth. Some seems genuinely suprised that the cap is going up one year, like it could go either way, up ten or down ten or stand still. Not going to happen.

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Yeah, but a few things. The PA has a 5% bumper, if the cap is 70m that is minimum 3.5m increase. With the bumper alone and no growth at all, the cap hits 103m in 8 y. The difference between paying someone 5.5m in under a 63m cap vs a 103m cap speaks for itself.

I am on the phone and won't get into to much nitty gritty details, but the NHL is growing on a yearly basis for several reasons. Remember that the league grew during the worst financial crisis in 80 years (and history is not short on financial crisis).

As a starting number, take the numbers I've mentioned and add a ton. 103m in 8 years? Expect 148m (really, that is almost modest growth in relation to the last ten years).

Then this can be affected by a few factors. The US economy is thriving with the new energy found, gas and oil. Could the USD strengthen in relation to the loonie? 1/3 of NHL revenue is in Canadian dollar. This means for example that if the USD becomes 10% more valuable than the Canadian dollar, 1/3 of 10%, ie 3%, is lost of HRR and since the player share is 1/2 of HRR this hits the cap with a 1.5%.

My point is this, in relation to history expect to see normal growth. In relation to people's expectations, expect extreme growth. Some seems genuinely suprised that the cap is going up one year, like it could go either way, up ten or down ten or stand still. Not going to happen.
Oh... Safe to say my worries are not needed.

Didn't know all that
Ok changes my thoughts a bit more

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Girardi is a #2 defender. He has rarely ever been the best guy on his pairing. I really don't think it would be such an ordeal to find a kid who might be a #2 if developed properly.

I swear the idea of a RHD has taken on mythical status around here.
He might be a #2 in theory, but his minutes are those of a 1st pairing defenseman. And those minutes need to be filled. Are there really so many replacements out there who are both attainable and able to play major minutes?

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I don't think that's it. I think the idea of a RHD with a cannon for a shot is what everyone wants. Think Byfuglien/Suter/Subban etc. Completely changes the look of a powerplay. PKers start cheating to that side to block it which opens up space for someone like Nash on the RW half boards for a one timer. And of course if they don't overload the left side you have a rocket of a shot to set up on a one timer
Suter is left handed

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