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01-07-2014, 12:54 PM
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As much as I despise Crosby, I doubt he had any say in Giroux not making the team
I doubt that very much. Star players get their way. Just look at the dream team for example.

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01-07-2014, 12:55 PM
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I sincerely doubt Crosby had any pull in the decisions....now if Pierre was in Yzerman's seat...then yeah..the entire Pitt team would be selected

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Kunitz played well with Perry and Getzlaf in the past as well. It's the Nash selection that really has me scratching my head...
I guess you haven't seen him in international play then... He's probably one of the best available for us.

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01-07-2014, 01:00 PM
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I guess you haven't seen him in international play then... He's probably one of the best available for us.
maybe years ago and that was at what the world championships? what a legit tournament that is

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The way I see it, Duchene is the guy who was picked over Giroux. Nash was going to be there--like it or not, he performed well in 2010, and HC was going to bring some guys with size and speed.

So its basically,

- Duchene over Giroux and MSL
- Carter over Neal
- Nash over Neal, Lucic, etc.

Duchene has world-class skating. It is a defensible choice on the big ice.
It wasn't Duchene; I bet it was Carter. Positionally, Giroux was going to be a centre or a right wing. If Giroux isn't on the top three lines, he isn't going to be relied on as a "checking" forward.


Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos
Marleau-Getzlaf-Perry
Sharp-Toews-Carter
Benn-Bergeron-Nash(?)
Duchene-Tavares

In theory, Sharp could play RW and Benn/Nash could be the odd man out in favour of Duchene/Tavares.

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I doubt that very much. Star players get their way. Just look at the dream team for example.


It is very unlikely that Crosby had any say in any selection.

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01-07-2014, 01:03 PM
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Damn, that's hard to watch. G clearly wanted to be on the team. Good for him remaining classy.

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01-07-2014, 01:05 PM
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It wasn't Duchene; I bet it was Carter. Positionally, Giroux was going to be a centre or a right wing. If Giroux isn't on the top three lines, he isn't going to be relied on as a "checking" forward.


Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos
Marleau-Getzlaf-Perry
Sharp-Toews-Carter
Benn-Bergeron-Nash(?)
Duchene-Tavares

In theory, Sharp could play RW and Benn/Nash could be the odd man out in favour of Duchene/Tavares.
I think Tavares will be in the top 6.

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It wasn't Duchene; I bet it was Carter. Positionally, Giroux was going to be a centre or a right wing. If Giroux isn't on the top three lines, he isn't going to be relied on as a "checking" forward.


Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos
Marleau-Getzlaf-Perry
Sharp-Toews-Carter
Benn-Bergeron-Nash(?)
Duchene-Tavares

In theory, Sharp could play RW and Benn/Nash could be the odd man out in favour of Duchene/Tavares.
What makes you so certain?

I think Carter was on the team for a while--I think Marleau got Couture's spot. Giroux was never likely to make the team with an eye toward playing Center--not with the other guys who were locks.

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01-07-2014, 01:09 PM
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What makes you so certain?

I think Carter was on the team for a while--I think Marleau got Couture's spot. Giroux was never likely to make the team with an eye toward playing Center--not with the other guys who were locks.
I'm not certain, but I think Giroux was competing for a RW spot. I doubt Duchene will play anything other than LW, so they weren't in a position to be selected over each other.

Giroux wasn't going to play a shutdown role, so it makes sense to me. He wasn't making it over Perry or Stamkos, so it came down to whether or not Canada wanted him over Carter or as the 4th RW (in my opinion).

Also: Sharp and Nash can play either side, and both are thought of as competent defensively, so I think that gave them both an edge over others. Nash has played well for Canada and Hockey Canada favours that, too.


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Nash has really struggled after that concussion, though.

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nash probably doesn't even make it in my top 50 players

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Nash scored 2 goals in 2010 Olympics.

What am I missing here?

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The Richards-Toews-Nash line was excellent in the 2010 tournament.

Hockey Canada likes Nash; that's all you need to "get".

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nash probably doesn't even make it in my top 50 players


Yeah, he wouldn't be on my team, either.

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I'm not certain, but I think Giroux was competing for a RW spot. I doubt Duchene will play anything other than LW, so they weren't in a position to be selected over each other.

Giroux wasn't going to play a shutdown role, so it makes sense to me. He wasn't making it over Perry or Stamkos, so it came down to whether or not Canada wanted him over Carter or as the 4th RW (in my opinion).

Also: Sharp and Nash can play either side, and both are thought of a competent defensively, so I think that gave them both an edge over others. Nash has played well for Canada and Hockey Canada favours that, too.
I don't think we are disagreeing on much--I said Nash was pretty much of a lock from the start, based on his past with HC. I don't think Carter and Giroux were competing for the same spot.

Duchene is pretty clearly not being selected as a defensive forward either. You're suggesting that because he's LH, he'll be playing LW, which is reasonable--though I don't believe he's played much wing in the NHL. I was suggesting that since Giroux has played wing a bit in the NHL, he was more suited to make the shift (he is also capable of playing the PK (if needed). As I said, I think the selection is defensible based on Duchene's game-breaking speed on the big ice, but I still think that's the slot that Giroux didn't get--a smaller, playmaking center who's skillset was well-suited to move to the wing.

I think I'm less surprised that Giroux didn't make it than most, and, as I said before, I think the Flyers might be better off for it--though of course that doesn't do anything to assuage his disappointment.

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The Richards-Toews-Nash line was excellent in the 2010 tournament.

Hockey Canada likes Nash; that's all you need to "get".







Yeah, he wouldn't be on my team, either.
Well Toews is one of the best players in the league, maybe it was more him than Nash.

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Nash is a career bum, and Kunitz should be praising Sid because there's no way he ever gets looked at without him. For ****s sake, this is Team Canada not Team Crosby. If I was Stevie Y, I'd never be able to look MSL in the eyes. If I was MSL, I'd request a trade.

Travesty.

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I don't think we are disagreeing on much--I said Nash was pretty much of a lock from the start, based on his past with HC. I don't think Carter and Giroux were competing for the same spot.

Duchene is pretty clearly not being selected as a defensive forward either. You're suggesting that because he's LH, he'll be playing LW, which is reasonable--though I don't believe he's played much wing in the NHL. I was suggesting that since Giroux has played wing a bit in the NHL, he was more suited to make the shift (he is also capable of playing the PK (if needed). As I said, I think the selection is defensible based on Duchene's game-breaking speed on the big ice, but I still think that's the slot that Giroux didn't get--a smaller, playmaking center who's skillset was well-suited to move to the wing.

I think I'm less surprised that Giroux didn't make it than most, and, as I said before, I think the Flyers might be better off for it--though of course that doesn't do anything to assuage his disappointment.
Pretty much; it's harder for a LH shot to play RW if he doesn't have much experience on wing, especially in the defensive zone where playing to your forehand on the boards closes you from the rest of the ice.

I'm not surprised at all that he was left off; at least he can't be injured in a game during the Olympics now, which is what I fear for Kimmo and Streit.

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I wonder if crosby played a role in girouxs snub
He's a crybaby but this would take it to another level. I can't stand the guy like many here but I can't imagine he'll put his own ego above the Canadian squad.

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maybe a shot across the bow of Giroux for when he replaces Stamkos

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Crosby had nothing to do with Giroux not making the team. Just stop.

I wouldn't be surprised to here that he made a case for Kunitz though.

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Feel for G but at the same time, Tbh, Im kind of glad he is not going. There are a lot of suicide bombings going on over there by Islamist terrorists in protest of the Olympic games being played there. I'd rather he stay out of that bat **** crazy country and rest up for the rest of our season. It really is a joke that a guy like Kunitz and Nash made the team. Oh well.

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These guys do go out in public and people do see stuff..I have personally. But yeah to speculate CONCLUSIVELY whether it is the cause for poor play or whatever should be avoided but I see no problem with people with bringing it up necessarily. Sadly though off-ice stuff does sometimes impact play...we learned about Hartnell's divorce afterwards from Holmgren saying it impacted him that one season and there have been plenty of other instances..heck even Holmgren during the Lupul and Upshall days made public pronouncements about showing better preparation and commitment off the ice. It is fair game as much as people get annoyed by the speculation...which I agree can be very specious at times.
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Feel for G but at the same time, Tbh, Im kind of glad he is not going. There are a lot of suicide bombings going on over there by Islamist terrorists in protest of the Olympic games being played there. I'd rather he stay out of that bat **** crazy country and rest up for the rest of our season. It really is a joke that a guy like Kunitz and Nash made the team. Oh well.
Did not see that coming.

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