I know Conroy's numbers look bad this year but he has experience on the first two lines. He lost Demitra and they are playing him mostly with checkers on the third line. I would give up Hall for him. He is not playing anyway. They both are not doing well and need a change of Scenery. Don't have to give up any youth for him. Forsberg will cost a lot. Maybe Hall and Immonen for Morrison. Vancouver will probably want more.
I haven't seen these guys play enough this year to really have a feel for them. Conroy's best years were with Iginla, so maybe centering Shanahan could help him. It depends on the cost. Although at this point in his career, Conroy strikes me as more of a 3rd line center. The Rangers already have enough of those. Maybe Morrison helps. Depends on the price.
No, we don't have a true 3rd line center. Betts and Ward are not 3rd line centers, they're 4th liners, and marginal NHL'ers at best.
I'm not advocating dealing for Conroy unless it's for a bag of pucks in return.
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Just to clear things up, following this season Morrison has one year left @ 3.2 million.
He's really turned it around so the Nucks will want something decent in return. Maybe Prucha?
HAHA, get lost.
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well give u Malik as a throw in.
maybe something like this:
Rangers get: Morrison, Cooke and Burrows
Canucks get: Prucha, Immonen, Hall, 1st in 07, Liffiton, Malik
has shown an ability to be a good defensive player, and play well with good offensive players. He's a decent player. Having said that, I give up very little for him. He's one of those guys who is a big risk - getting up there in age and could be nearing the end of usefulness.
I watch the Kings a lot because I live in LA and I do not want Conroy. He has 16 points, granted he plays a horrible team but most of the time he is invisible out on the ice and doesn't generate any offense. I would rather have Immonen or Cullen centering the second line than Conroy.
Until this year Conroy has been a quality player. If he was scoring at the rate of the last few years he wouldn't be available. If the price is cheap (i.e. mid level prospect and a 3rd), I might take a flyer.
has shown an ability to be a good defensive player, and play well with good offensive players. He's a decent player. Having said that, I give up very little for him. He's one of those guys who is a big risk - getting up there in age and could be nearing the end of usefulness.
Never been a huge fan myself.
Always saw him as an Anson Carter type. When he's playing with better players it makes him look like a better player than he really is. When he's not, he's pretty average out there.
Always saw him as an Anson Carter type. When he's playing with better players it makes him look like a better player than he really is. When he's not, he's pretty average out there.
I mostly agree with that. Last year while playing with Demitra and Frolov he put up 66 points but now he is mostly playing third line and he has 16 points. His defensive game is pretty good, he back checks hard but I just don't think he is the answer as a playmaking 2nd line center.
Vancouver will only trade Morrison if they have a second trade lined up to bring in an upgrade at center. Without him, they are left with only a #1 center in Henrik Sedin and a #3 center in Kesler. Besides a few other fourth line centers, the team's depth through the middle would be annihilated.
For the sake of an example, let's pretend that Vancouver decides to jump into the Forsberg sweepstakes. As it stands, the Canucks don't have what it takes to make the trade. They have neither the prospects that their franchise can afford to give up, nor any suitable roster players to accommodate Philadelphia's rebuild. To get into the race, they'd have to first trade Morrison to a playoff bound team for the best package of players/prospects/picks that they can get. Their second move would be to bounce back their newly acquired young assets to the Flyers for Forsberg.
My point is not so much to hypothesize about the Canucks on the Rangers board, but just to raise a point... there's a good chance that if the Canucks and the Rangers were to be trading partners, whatever young assets you give up could come back to haunt your division.
Rangers already turned down a Vancouver request for Tyutin in exchange for Morrison, according to a Ranger beat writer who got the information from a source that he personally considered reliable but as a journalist did not consider reliable enough for publication.
at this point, I don't see Morrison being dealt... the team has been winning a lot recently, and it'd be a big risk to take a chance on a trade like that...
having said that, it wouldn't surprise me to see Mo dealt this summer so the team can get more cap space (hopefully to re-sign Salo).
As for Malik, there is no room on the roster for him... at his salary he has to play one of the top 2 pairings, and with Ohlund and Mitchell, both signed for another 3 yrs, and mainstays on the left side, where Malik plays, he isn't going to see any time up there... there just isn't a spot in the lineup for him, so adding him to a trade proposal for Vancouver will do nothing.
according to Maloney, Philly asked for just Montoya and Dubinsky for Forsberg (which it sounded like they'll be turning down thank god - otherwise i doubt it would have been mentioned in such detail) so I doubt Vancouver would be able to ask or get more than that package. It also goes to show how much other GMs value our top prospects. As far as Dubinsky to Philly, (rhetoric) do they really need more centers w/ Carter, Richards, Umberger?
I mostly agree with that. Last year while playing with Demitra and Frolov he put up 66 points but now he is mostly playing third line and he has 16 points. His defensive game is pretty good, he back checks hard but I just don't think he is the answer as a playmaking 2nd line center.
Well when you look at his career it really reflects that.
He was a career third line center with the Blues who averagred about 12 goals and 35 points.
Then he went to Calgary where for 3 years he was paired with Iginla and onto L.A. where he was around more natural scorers again. That obviously shot his numbers up.
I've honestly just never been a huge fan. I think ideally he's a nice third line center who plays a two-way game, but at his salary and his advancing age I'm not terribly interested to shore up a second line center spot.
Well when you look at his career it really reflects that.
He was a career third line center with the Blues who averagred about 12 goals and 35 points.
Then he went to Calgary where for 3 years he was paired with Iginla and onto L.A. where he was around more natural scorers again. That obviously shot his numbers up.
I've honestly just never been a huge fan. I think ideally he's a nice third line center who plays a two-way game, but at his salary and his advancing age I'm not terribly interested to shore up a second line center spot.
Considering that we don't have a true 3rd line center, if management is foolish enough to believe that this team is ample and ready for a cup run, or if they're going to make a move to keep the playoff push alive, a guy like Conroy would not be a bad acquisition for a 3rd line center, depending on the asking price.
Considering that we don't have a true 3rd line center, if management is foolish enough to believe that this team is ample and ready for a cup run, or if they're going to make a move to keep the playoff push alive, a guy like Conroy would not be a bad acquisition for a 3rd line center, depending on the asking price.
Problem is I think you would create situation similar to our defense. You'd now have two third line centers and still not a true second line center. So you're second line still isn't scoring and I don't really know if Conroy brings up a lot of offense with our third line guys.
Problem is I think you would create situation similar to our defense. You'd now have two third line centers and still not a true second line center. So you're second line still isn't scoring and I don't really know if Conroy brings up a lot of offense with our third line guys.
That's a good point, but the question I'd like to ask here, is who is the other 3rd line center that you believe we have?
Ward? Betts? Cullen? Hollweg?
Neither of those four are true shut-down or two-way centers like Conroy. Cullen has been used as a 2nd line center to this point, and if anything we can pull the old switch-aroo and put Conroy as a 2nd line center and use Cullen on the 3rd, since it's VERY apparent that Cullen has not worked in that role.
The issue I thought you were going to bring up is his salary, and maybe by throwing in Hall, it can level it off to the point where we're not taking on a burden, but at the same time, LA is not trading for even money, so that it's a win-win situation for both teams cap-wise.
Considering that we don't have a true 3rd line center, if management is foolish enough to believe that this team is ample and ready for a cup run, or if they're going to make a move to keep the playoff push alive, a guy like Conroy would not be a bad acquisition for a 3rd line center, depending on the asking price.
Cullen is really a third line center. On what team did he center the second line?
He can be a second line winger. I think Conroy and Shanahan will do well together. Conroy would not be a bad risk. Forsberg is a lot better. Have to give up a lot more and there is no gaurantee there will be playoffs with him.
That's a good point, but the question I'd like to ask here, is who is the other 3rd line center that you believe we have?
Ward? Betts? Cullen? Hollweg?
Neither of those four are true shut-down or two-way centers like Conroy. Cullen has been used as a 2nd line center to this point, and if anything we can pull the old switch-aroo and put Conroy as a 2nd line center and use Cullen on the 3rd, since it's VERY apparent that Cullen has not worked in that role.
The issue I thought you were going to bring up is his salary, and maybe by throwing in Hall, it can level it off to the point where we're not taking on a burden, but at the same time, LA is not trading for even money, so that it's a win-win situation for both teams cap-wise.
Personally I think Cullen is the third line center. Obviously not a straight on defensive, shut-down, turn the lights out type forward but I think people would be pleasently surprised but what he could bring to the third line. Unfortunatly we've only seen him as a second line center so it kind of leaves a certain taste in the mouth.
But I think if you put Cullen with more defensive oriented players (say like Ward) and the put him with someone like maybe Callahan you might have something.
Conroy to me at this point doesn't look like a two-way shut down center to me. He seems like a guy who is aging and probably isn't the best "fit" for this team. To me his salary is less of an issue than I just am not really sold on what we'd get as a player at this point.
