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01-08-2014, 02:22 PM
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Richards shouldn't be playing center regardless. He barely has the legs to be a winger.

I might be alone but I actually like Brassard.
You are not alone, I have no problem with Brassard. He is talented and has some vision. Him and Zucc might be the Rangers two best true puck possession players. Not the advanced stats, but the two who can actually carry the puck up ice, break into the offensive zone and actually find someone open to pass to.

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Brassard is having a nice stretch. As he did at the end of last year. The question is and always has been - can he find a level of consistency. And if not what else can he contribute.

He's not a bad piece, he's not a player that you should dump just to dump. But is he worth his QO? What is his trade value? No issue exploring either of those.

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Not sure where to put this, but since we're discussing Boyle here: Thomas Drance rates the league's best penalty killers - Boyle #4.

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Brassard is having a nice stretch. As he did at the end of last year. The question is and always has been - can he find a level of consistency. And if not what else can he contribute.

He's not a bad piece, he's not a player that you should dump just to dump. But is he worth his QO? What is his trade value? No issue exploring either of those.
I don't know, where does Brassard really fit into an NHL lineup? 2nd line center? Too inconsistent offensively, and his overall game is too poor to make up for that fact. 3rd line center? Overall game is, again, too poor.

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Not sure where to put this, but since we're discussing Boyle here: Thomas Drance rates the league's best penalty killers - Boyle #4.
Does he take into consideration his on ice falling%?

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I'm getting a little concerned the NYR brass is starting to get a little too concerned with the whole "big kid who can skate" mentality.

We struck gold with Kreider and McDonagh. We see it apparent in our drafting, too. Nieves, Skjei. We targeted John Moore.

I'm not saying speed isn't important, but as we can see with Moore, speed doesn't make up for everything.

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01-08-2014, 03:16 PM
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Brassard is having a nice stretch. As he did at the end of last year. The question is and always has been - can he find a level of consistency. And if not what else can he contribute.

He's not a bad piece, he's not a player that you should dump just to dump. But is he worth his QO? What is his trade value? No issue exploring either of those.
I have no issue exploring his trade options, and as an arbitration eligible RFA, much like Del Zotto, they are going to have to make the choice on what to do with him.

All in all though if it were up to me I'd treat them both just as I would the UFAs, offer them a pre-deadline contracts where they are leaving money on the table where the Rangers are legitimately getting a good deal without totally undercutting them either, if they sign it great, if not sell them.

That leaves them as movable assets if they sign, instead of having a bunch of guys with no trade clauses as well as being on contracts no other team would want anyway.

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I don't know, where does Brassard really fit into an NHL lineup? 2nd line center? Too inconsistent offensively, and his overall game is too poor to make up for that fact. 3rd line center? Overall game is, again, too poor.
Who was Brassard playing with to start the season? Pouliot and Pyatt? I'd re-sign Brass to a short term deal (2 years) and let him have another chance next year with Richards gone. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a talented guy and we don't have enough talent as is. If it's more of the same next year, then we can trade him.

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I'm getting a little concerned the NYR brass is starting to get a little too concerned with the whole "big kid who can skate" mentality.

We struck gold with Kreider and McDonagh. We see it apparent in our drafting, too. Nieves, Skjei. We targeted John Moore.

I'm not saying speed isn't important, but as we can see with Moore, speed doesn't make up for everything.
Said it a few months ago, I patiently await the day we start drafting skill players instead of "guys who can skate". Would rather have guys with above average hand-eye coordination and/or accuracy over an above average skater any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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I don't know, where does Brassard really fit into an NHL lineup? 2nd line center? Too inconsistent offensively, and his overall game is too poor to make up for that fact. 3rd line center? Overall game is, again, too poor.
I agree with this fully. If you can package him with MDZ or whatever for a legitimate 2C you do it and don't look back. But I wouldn't be rash to trade him for a pick or something.

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If Girardi signs a max term contract, he is te same age as for example Chris Philips is today in Y7 of it. The cap will be way over 100m in 7 years, it will be right at 80m after next summer. That means 100m cap by the PA 5% alone in Y6 of G contract. That is basically minimum numbers if the NHL has zero growth for a handful of years.

I'd easily go 8 years for both Girardi and Callahan. They are 28-29, they easily have 4 of their best years infront of them. Then the cap growth will cover for a rapid decline and then some. Philips is making 3m plus for Ottawa and that is what we would be paying Girardi looking at portion of cap.

What scares you are of course the cap hit in y 1-3 of their deals. The repor is that G is reasonable. Can we get him to take 40m over 8 years? Sub 40 over 8 years? The league is full of solid Ds 35 y/o.

What will Callahan want?

We can give him a retirement contract. 8 years. 44m over 8 years is a good option for him. We can compare it all we want with other players, facts are that Slats dropped the ball here. Chicago is saving like 10m per if not more on those front loaded deals, Slats didn't "believe" in them... In 2-4 years, I am afraid that we will notice that 5.5m per can't buy us sheit. 7m will become the new 5m in a hurry. 10m is the new 7m. 5m the new 3m...

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I don't know, where does Brassard really fit into an NHL lineup? 2nd line center? Too inconsistent offensively, and his overall game is too poor to make up for that fact. 3rd line center? Overall game is, again, too poor.
He's a tweener pretty much. Very similar to Anisimov who was brought up earlier who I also feel is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Difference between those two though is Artie is responsible defensively and can kill penalties. If Brassard isn't producing offensively, he isn't doing much else.

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If Girardi signs a max term contract, he is te same age as for example Chris Philips is today in Y7 of it. The cap will be way over 100m in 7 years, it will be right at 80m after next summer. That means 100m cap by the PA 5% alone in Y6 of G contract. That is basically minimum numbers if the NHL has zero growth for a handful of years.

I'd easily go 8 years for both Girardi and Callahan. They are 28-29, they easily have 4 of their best years infront of them. Then the cap growth will cover for a rapid decline and then some. Philips is making 3m plus for Ottawa and that is what we would be paying Girardi looking at portion of cap.

What scares you are of course the cap hit in y 1-3 of their deals. The repor is that G is reasonable. Can we get him to take 40m over 8 years? Sub 40 over 8 years? The league is full of solid Ds 35 y/o.

What will Callahan want?

We can give him a retirement contract. 8 years. 44m over 8 years is a good option for him. We can compare it all we want with other players, facts are that Slats dropped the ball here. Chicago is saving like 10m per if not more on those front loaded deals, Slats didn't "believe" in them... In 2-4 years, I am afraid that we will notice that 5.5m per can't buy us sheit. 7m will become the new 5m in a hurry. 10m is the new 7m. 5m the new 3m...
That's a strong statement, though you making some valid points. I still think we should shop them both and at least trade one of them, if we can get a nice return of course.

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If Girardi signs a max term contract, he is te same age as for example Chris Philips is today in Y7 of it. The cap will be way over 100m in 7 years, it will be right at 80m after next summer. That means 100m cap by the PA 5% alone in Y6 of G contract. That is basically minimum numbers if the NHL has zero growth for a handful of years.

I'd easily go 8 years for both Girardi and Callahan. They are 28-29, they easily have 4 of their best years infront of them. Then the cap growth will cover for a rapid decline and then some. Philips is making 3m plus for Ottawa and that is what we would be paying Girardi looking at portion of cap.

What scares you are of course the cap hit in y 1-3 of their deals. The repor is that G is reasonable. Can we get him to take 40m over 8 years? Sub 40 over 8 years? The league is full of solid Ds 35 y/o.

What will Callahan want?

We can give him a retirement contract. 8 years. 44m over 8 years is a good option for him. We can compare it all we want with other players, facts are that Slats dropped the ball here. Chicago is saving like 10m per if not more on those front loaded deals, Slats didn't "believe" in them... In 2-4 years, I am afraid that we will notice that 5.5m per can't buy us sheit. 7m will become the new 5m in a hurry. 10m is the new 7m. 5m the new 3m...
With the way Callahan plays and his injury history, you seriously think it's a good idea to give him 8 years? I don't care what the cap is going up to, it wouldn't shock me to see him completely break down like Drury before that contract ends.

Girardi is a different story. I wouldn't go 8 years for him either because I think contracts like that in general are ridiculous with the exception of certain players but he at the least has shown he can stay healthy. He's only missed 4 games since the beginning of 07-08.

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8 years for Callahan?

I don't care if the cap is 300 million. I would never give him that.

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8 years for Callahan?

I don't care if the cap is 300 million. I would never give him that.
I think cap max length is 7 years

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Not if you resigning with your current team, then it's 8 years.

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I'm getting a little concerned the NYR brass is starting to get a little too concerned with the whole "big kid who can skate" mentality.

We struck gold with Kreider and McDonagh. We see it apparent in our drafting, too. Nieves, Skjei. We targeted John Moore.

I'm not saying speed isn't important, but as we can see with Moore, speed doesn't make up for everything.
I'd rather have a big fast guy that doesn't accomplish much than a slow guy that doesn't accomplich much.

Speed and size helps a great deal on the fore check and is a better asset to have on turn overs.

Size, speed and puck intensity along with a high hockey IQ is the name of the game.

There will always be exceptions to that rule but if I'm drafting I want big guys that can skate. All things being equal.

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http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana140107.html

Ducks and Rangers talk Girardi...

Sorry if allready posted..

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Sorry if allready posted..
yea posted, on trade board too but still worth talking about. Heres hoping that package is accurate

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That's a strong statement, though you making some valid points. I still think we should shop them both and at least trade one of them, if we can get a nice return of course.
Not really. Each year, the NHLPA has the right to escalate the cap 5% higher per the CBA. So, based on the TV deals for NBC and constant money and now Sportsnet, there will be an increase to the cap 2 years from now. Projections show a 71 million cap after this season. I believe that is with the 5%. That is without that money. The following season should be near 80 with regular growth and the 5% escalation. If the amount becomes stagnant, the players increasing the cap each year will result in that 100 number most likely way before this current CBA expiring. We will see arguments the owners want a 90 million cap at the next CBA expiration like we saw them want 60 with this version.

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yea posted, on trade board too but still worth talking about. Heres hoping that package is accurate
Silfverberg/etem and their 1st should be what we aim for.

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Staal+

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Elias Lindbolm
Ryan Murphy

and what do you think the + is?

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If Girardi signs a max term contract, he is te same age as for example Chris Philips is today in Y7 of it. The cap will be way over 100m in 7 years, it will be right at 80m after next summer. That means 100m cap by the PA 5% alone in Y6 of G contract. That is basically minimum numbers if the NHL has zero growth for a handful of years.

I'd easily go 8 years for both Girardi and Callahan. They are 28-29, they easily have 4 of their best years infront of them. Then the cap growth will cover for a rapid decline and then some. Philips is making 3m plus for Ottawa and that is what we would be paying Girardi looking at portion of cap.

What scares you are of course the cap hit in y 1-3 of their deals. The repor is that G is reasonable. Can we get him to take 40m over 8 years? Sub 40 over 8 years? The league is full of solid Ds 35 y/o.

What will Callahan want?

We can give him a retirement contract. 8 years. 44m over 8 years is a good option for him. We can compare it all we want with other players, facts are that Slats dropped the ball here. Chicago is saving like 10m per if not more on those front loaded deals, Slats didn't "believe" in them... In 2-4 years, I am afraid that we will notice that 5.5m per can't buy us sheit. 7m will become the new 5m in a hurry. 10m is the new 7m. 5m the new 3m...
This is what it will take. Nice to see someone understand business in addition to hockey. QFT for market value.

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