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01-09-2014, 03:39 PM
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Trading of Maata would be just as successful for Pittsburgh as the trading of Forsberg to Nashville by Washington.

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01-09-2014, 03:40 PM
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Why would you give up O'Reilly for Enstrom lol? That's MAJOR overpayment. He's not the ideal defender for Roy's system either. I'd rather give up ROR for a younger, bigger, two way guy anyways.

I'd do the original deal easily lol. Not fair at all though. Avs come out big time winners.
First of all I prefaced it with only if we had to move Ryan and also got a 2nd/3rd liner back, but Enstrom's an excellent top pairing dman who's been looking good while cleaning up after Buff for years and can play at that level for another 7+ years. An Enstrom-EJ pairing would be spectacular defensively and just as good moving the puck up to our forwards and would let Hejda go back to protecting Barrie on the second pairing and give us a really good top 4.

With Benoit-Sarich/Guenin to let us be patient with the other kids, and Varly our defense would be pretty much set for the duration of this core's time together, with Siemens and Bigras slowly being first brought in to replace Sarich/Guenin and Benoit, and then Hejda and Enstrom.

So if we were forced to move Ryan sending him and a depth defender for Enstrom and 2nd/3rd liner would be a deal that helped us.

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Still awful for the Pens. They are trying to acquire talented wingers, not trade them away. And Colorado still only gives up a UFA while everyone else is giving up either team-controlled assets or 1st rounders. Still heavily favors the Avs.

Also I wish Pens fans would quit throwing Letang into every trade proposal on this board.
The avs still would rather just re-sign their UFA than make that trade to, so even the team it's supposed to be good for it doesn't work for.

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01-09-2014, 03:46 PM
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Pens lose that deal big time. Make the 1st a 2nd and it'd be closer. Still not sure if it'd interest the Pens though. Especially due to cap restraints.

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That's even worse for the Pens! And it's terrible for the Jets as well. Stop trying, it's not working.
Do most Pens fans think Bennett is worth more than Maatta? Genuinely curious, I would think Mattaa is more valuable.

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01-09-2014, 03:49 PM
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Lemme give it a shot. Better or worse?

Winnipeg:

Ryan O'Rielly
Scott Harrington

Pittsburgh:

Evander Kane

Colorado:

Olli Maatta
Pens 2014 1st
Much closer, but the cap will pose a problem. Also, it's still a pretty penny to pay for Kane, but that's probably the sort of overpayment necessary.

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01-09-2014, 03:49 PM
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Forget about the Kane's, ROR + Letang's. How about....
Winnipeg:
Stastny
Bennet

Colorado:
Harrington
Pens 1st

Pittsburg:
Wheeler
Does this make it better or worse?
The Jets have Bogo, Trouba, Buff & Enstrom patrolling the blueline. Morrissey will soon arrive.
This has the Jets giving up their top (by a long shot) RW for another D prospect & the rights to a UFA. If Stastny was a signed player it would be a different story.

If Wheeler were to end up in Pittsburgh there is no need to involve Colorado. Sutter, a top prospect &/or high pick works without either team paying for a soon to be UFA.

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01-09-2014, 03:54 PM
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Maata might be a bit much but I really don't the revised versions value is too far off.
Bennet, Harrington + a late 1st for signed Wheeler doesn't sound too bad.
Harrington + a late 1st for UFA Stastny
Stastny + Bennet for Wheeler, sign Stastny or flip him for a 1st + B prospect.
Addresses all teams needs, just not the right fit I guess.

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01-09-2014, 03:57 PM
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Do most Pens fans think Bennett is worth more than Maatta? Genuinely curious, I would think Mattaa is more valuable.
Depends on who you ask. Maatta is probably the better player in the long run but the Pens are much deeper at D than they are on the wing. I'm pretty sure Shero would value Maatta more based on what's been said by local media.

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The Jets have Bogo, Trouba, Buff & Enstrom patrolling the blueline. Morrissey will soon arrive.
This has the Jets giving up their top (by a long shot) RW for another D prospect & the rights to a UFA. If Stastny was a signed player it would be a different story.

If Wheeler were to end up in Pittsburgh there is no need to involve Colorado. Sutter, a top prospect &/or high pick works without either team paying for a soon to be UFA.
Bennett's a young promising RW prospect

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01-09-2014, 04:05 PM
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Lemme give it a shot. Better or worse?

Winnipeg:

Ryan O'Rielly
Scott Harrington

Pittsburgh:

Evander Kane

Colorado:

Olli Maatta
Pens 2014 1st

Definitely better than the OP. Still a steep price to pay for Kane. I'd be reluctant to do it, but I think they would have to. Not sure Colorado does it - even though Maatta is a great prospect. Not sure Winnipeg does it. They have some depth, and with Ladd, Wheeler and could shift Little to the wing, they would definitely be more balanced. Not sure if that's enough to get them to move their top winger. They'd be much better suited to wait until July and see what plays out in FA.

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Bennett's a young promising RW prospect
Is he? I thought he played LW.

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Do most Pens fans think Bennett is worth more than Maatta? Genuinely curious, I would think Mattaa is more valuable.
Value wise, no, Maatta is more valuable. However, Bennett is the only forward prospect the Pens have that projects to be a top 6 player. Which means he's pretty much untouchable unless it's in a trade for a young top 6 player who's controlled long term.

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Is he [a RW]? I thought he played LW.
He's played both. RW with Crosby, LW with Malkin.

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01-09-2014, 04:18 PM
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Is he? I thought he played LW.
Shoots right, think the Pens had him on the left side, if I remember correctly.

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01-09-2014, 04:20 PM
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First of all I prefaced it with only if we had to move Ryan and also got a 2nd/3rd liner back, but Enstrom's an excellent top pairing dman who's been looking good while cleaning up after Buff for years and can play at that level for another 7+ years. An Enstrom-EJ pairing would be spectacular defensively and just as good moving the puck up to our forwards and would let Hejda go back to protecting Barrie on the second pairing and give us a really good top 4.

With Benoit-Sarich/Guenin to let us be patient with the other kids, and Varly our defense would be pretty much set for the duration of this core's time together, with Siemens and Bigras slowly being first brought in to replace Sarich/Guenin and Benoit, and then Hejda and Enstrom.

So if we were forced to move Ryan sending him and a depth defender for Enstrom and 2nd/3rd liner would be a deal that helped us.
When did Tobias Enstorm become a top pairing dman? Gonna have to agree to disagree here mang. I'd much rather have Trouba and play him on the left if ROR is going away. Even Maata is a better fit. Big body, good skater, two way guy... and most of all he's gonna grow with the team.

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Alright thanks guys. I knew I've seen Bennett play LW at least once.

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Lemme give it a shot. Better or worse?

Winnipeg:

Ryan O'Rielly
Scott Harrington

Pittsburgh:

Evander Kane

Colorado:

Olli Maatta
Pens 2014 1st
This I think, is the best proposal in the thread. O'Rielly and Harrington for Kane is definitely something I could do if there were going to be a three way trade involving Kane.

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When did Tobias Enstorm become a top pairing dman? Gonna have to agree to disagree here mang. I'd much rather have Trouba and play him on the left if ROR is going away. Even Maata is a better fit. Big body, good skater, two way guy... and most of all he's gonna grow with the team.
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... 5 years ago?

I mean, it's not really a secret... Where the heck have you been?
The knock on Enstrom is that he's small. But he's talented as hell, and is smart with his stick. As long as he has a partner with size to handle the big forwards, he's fine on a top pairing.

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01-09-2014, 04:48 PM
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... 5 years ago?

I mean, it's not really a secret... Where the heck have you been?
I didn't watch a lot of Thrasher games I grant you that. But I've watched at least 10 Jets games this year and the only dman that jumps off the screen at me is Trouba (and Buff but he's disgrace to hockey players everywhere so no thanks). Enstrom hasn't played well in the games I've seen, and I'd definitely think there are way better options for O'Reilly.

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01-09-2014, 04:57 PM
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Alright thanks guys. I knew I've seen Bennett play LW at least once.



This I think, is the best proposal in the thread. O'Rielly and Harrington for Kane is definitely something I could do if there were going to be a three way trade involving Kane.
No chance from a penguins standpoint. The penguins probably do not even pull the trigger for Kane and Maata straight up. To add their best defensive prospect not playing in the NHL and their 1st round pick is nuts. Thank goodness you guys are not Ray Shero.

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Is he? I thought he played LW.
he's looked very comfortable playing both sides.

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I think that the OP meant to include Nathan MacKinnon to Pittsburgh.

He should correct that soon.

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I think that the OP meant to include Nathan MacKinnon to Pittsburgh.

He should correct that soon.
[MOD] I don't think Colorado makes that deal with ROR, let alone MacKinnon.


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Avs say yes

WPG probably say yes

Pittsburgh gives up a first and their best D prospect for someone who is not worth a first and a best D prospect

There's your flaw.

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I think that the OP meant to include Nathan MacKinnon to Pittsburgh.

He should correct that soon.
I think you might wish to check your sanity if you truly believe that.

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I think that the OP meant to include Nathan MacKinnon to Pittsburgh.

He should correct that soon.
I guess "Crosby" is spelled "Maata" now, eh?

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