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01-08-2014, 07:13 AM
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Given the state of the Oilers and no end to misery in sight anybody else wondering how many people will be lined up to dole out anywhere from 100-350bucks/ticket in the new arena?

jebus you can't give Oilers tickets away. Given how much of this arena funding is tied to revitilizing, traffic numbers, and ticket surcharges I'm a little worried. Good thing this build is starting years later then what could've been the case.

This club isn't ready for primetime viewing. The old Edmonton Gardens would be more appropriate for the current bunch of sucks.

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01-08-2014, 07:41 AM
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Given the state of the Oilers and no end to misery in sight anybody else wondering how many people will be lined up to dole out anywhere from 100-350bucks/ticket in the new arena?

jebus you can't give Oilers tickets away. Given how much of this arena funding is tied to revitilizing, traffic numbers, and ticket surcharges I'm a little worried. Good thing this build is starting years later then what could've been the case.

This club isn't ready for primetime viewing. The old Edmonton Gardens would be more appropriate for the current bunch of sucks.
Even if the Oilers pass Buffalo and finish last place, just wait for Lowe and co. to turn on the off-season hype machine of bringing in ELITE, AMAZING ROOKIES in Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom, and they'll sell out all the big games for the entire season in September just like they did this year. Probably going to continue being like that every year even if they continue to finish in last place.

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01-08-2014, 08:06 AM
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At least Rexall was Edmonton Branded and original
Rogers Place? Really, that's so lame, plain, and insane that it's called this
All corporate names are lame we'll never see noncorporate names besides the few that exist in sports like Yankee stadium, Fenway park. At least we haven't had a meglomaniac billionaire (ala Donald Trump) that decides to use his name; ironically in this case Rogers is pretty much the epitome of that so we're not very far off.

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01-08-2014, 08:10 AM
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Even if the Oilers pass Buffalo and finish last place, just wait for Lowe and co. to turn on the off-season hype machine of bringing in ELITE, AMAZING ROOKIES in Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom, and they'll sell out all the big games for the entire season in September just like they did this year. Probably going to continue being like that every year even if they continue to finish in last place.
I'm pretty sure it's the fans who do that, not management.

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01-08-2014, 08:29 AM
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I assumed the bump was for the talks of Katz and the City about that new skyscraper.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busin...911/story.html

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Even if the Oilers pass Buffalo and finish last place, just wait for Lowe and co. to turn on the off-season hype machine of bringing in ELITE, AMAZING ROOKIES in Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom, and they'll sell out all the big games for the entire season in September just like they did this year. Probably going to continue being like that every year even if they continue to finish in last place.
Yea the one thing that has happened which most fans which they don't realize is if you look at the high first round picks, Gagner, Eberle (lesser extent, but still there) MPS (gone) now the management/fans have become all about the new toy, and thus promotion has become all about the hope for next year, and the shiny new toy.

There will be the player/management who will fall in love with (Hall, RNH) and because of the jadedness of fans we'll buy the company line, and not care about the guys who wore there heart on there sleeves.

This team took for granted the Greene/Stoll/Torres types (guys who cared about the franchise) - guys who had talent & heart
after losing those guys they over paid the same type of guys Pisani, Horcoff, who didn't have as much talent or specific purpose for the teams needs but based them on there heart
- then when they realized that they made the mistake with giving these type of contracts out to players who caught lightning in a bottle, they then played hardball with Glencross/ Brodziak - players who actually were undervalued but they didn't want the Horcoff, Pisani type of contracts.

Even look at the guys who are essentially bubble players, Marincin, Klefbom, Pitlick there just being written off. When a team can't identify players by character/talent in the draft, can't develop and grow them, then when they shine on another team, be mad at the organization for not learning there lesson, and being rewarded for it. If you give out 6m contracts to RNH, Eberle, Hall - don't be surprised under-performance, complacency, lack of work ethic, no passion. Its actually a lose-lose situation because if a player is passionate he gives everything, gets frustrated over time, then speaks out and the management calls them out on that. If a player only ever cared about comfort/security in his life (some players actually only care about that big day) then you gave it to them without ever proving anything.

Realistically people should look at it like an under-performing stock, why get excited about the new one, if you can't win with the old one. They should look at management like there investment adviser or broker who insists now is the time to buy (neither the player or management has done anything so why that gives people excitement is beyond me) yet your ending up with more losses, then wins, and your rewarding it.

Though this team has essentially sold its acumen on past performance, the only potential downfall will be when management's past accomplishments are so far in the rear view mirror people can't see it. The thing that this organization has been lead by is control/power dominated people (Katz/Lowe) and that is why when you get outspoken leaders like a Souray, Whitney (even though he was on his downfall he seen what was wrong with the team), Smid, Peca, ect. there shipped out.

If you think an outspoken, blue collared, salt of the earth, heart on his sleeve type like Doug Weight would have fit on this team in its prime think again. Once Lowe became management his ego even got larger, he was fine as a coach, even lesser extent as a GM. Once the Pronger episode happened this organization lost its credibility. If he should have been fired it should have been them. Then you had Cal Nichols/ Laforge speaking out about it. If you want to know how other organizations view this team that specific moment will never go away until those guys are gone.

On the upside, I'm a fan regardless I watch way less games now, but more obligations with work, family, ect. Personally, I am baffled by fans; more specifically the tier1 fans. I bought tickets for years, but I never looked at fans like they are portrayed on this board. It would be like akin to saying I'm a Metallica fan, but I am bigger of a fan cause I went to more concerts. A lot of arrogance from those fans as well. Trust me there will be many less tier 1 fans in the future.


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01-08-2014, 08:50 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's the fans who do that, not management.
I guess you don't remember the HOPE (Hall, Omark, Pajaarvi, Eberle) campaign and the song being played on the radio all the time along with that poster.
Or the actual Oil Change show, which spent extensive time just on the draft, and still exists to this day.

You can't even call that advertising or promotion - 2 things all business have and should have (you pump up what your selling) no problem with that.

However, this team is essentially divided into 2 divisions: the public relations division (K-Lowe calling out fan's for there support; tier 1 fans, Katz using Quebec city as posturing on a deal/looking at Seattle as a potential destination, management blaming players and coaches never themselves, management advertising the city - once again public relations)

Networking - (don't fool yourself again: edmontonoilers twitter, 630 ched even the team all biased) find yourself an unbiased blogger, radio station but those first ones mentioned are all controlled opposition of the team. The team figures pay off all forms of media, and fans are duped once again.

Think of that campaign, Hall, Eberle are still here, in a year or so it may be only Hall.
Your being naive if you think fans do anything but hope for the future. Selling someone on hope is fine, but over a period of time (with no sucess) is actually manipulative, conniving, and deceitful when a team employs the methods I mentioned above.

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01-08-2014, 01:42 PM
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Much appreciated, Kodiak.
No problem.

I'm trying to post more because I have read every day since like 2007, but it seems like 1) as a person who has worked nights for going on 9 years, by the time I read threads everything I would say has been said by others, and 2) I am apparently the thread assassin. (see my other 2 posts in this thread for example, I post and then the thread dies immediately.)

In this case I dug this thread from the grave because of the information I received from my employer and I figured it could be relevant.

I will again state that I reserve the right to be completely wrong. lol. That is what I was told for sure, but based on the fact that the plans haven't been finalized as pointed out by Auguste Escoffier, and the journal article posted by joestevens29 which states "Councillors and Oilers owner Daryl Katz are set to make a final decision next month on the $480-million arena planned for 103rd Street and 104th Avenue once a guaranteed maximum price is reached." I have my own doubts about what I was told.

Maybe tomorrow I will be told it's actually March or April, or maybe the casino loses the parking lot as scheduled so they can remove light poles/trees/asphalt in preparation for the actual construction (I think that still counts though, lol). I can't say for sure. I thought I had some news and figured it was worth posting, I hope if it turns out to be incorrect that I don't lose credibility on the forum even though I am aware based on my post count etc. it is already 0. (better than -24 though right Yak? )

OT: As I'm responding directly to you Del Preston I would just like to thank you for your myriad .gif's I find them excellent.

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Given the state of the Oilers and no end to misery in sight anybody else wondering how many people will be lined up to dole out anywhere from 100-350bucks/ticket in the new arena?

jebus you can't give Oilers tickets away. Given how much of this arena funding is tied to revitilizing, traffic numbers, and ticket surcharges I'm a little worried. Good thing this build is starting years later then what could've been the case.

This club isn't ready for primetime viewing. The old Edmonton Gardens would be more appropriate for the current bunch of sucks.
Well as things stand who can really guess how high ticket demand will be even next year, I know as a former season ticket holder (A purely financial decision at the time, In hindsight it was a brilliant move.) I am in no rush to go to a live game given the state of the franchise. Maybe they sell out for the first season+ in the new rink based solely on the attraction of said new rink? I'm anxious to check out the new digs myself.

Then again a lot can change in 3 seasons, even though I have no faith to speak of in Oilers management, 2016-2017 could be a playoff team, in which case they sell out in a heartbeat IMO.


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01-08-2014, 03:00 PM
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How many people will be willing to dish out 100-350 bucks in the new arena?

Answer a lot. There are people that are simply buying tickets now because they don't want to lose access to the new arena.

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01-08-2014, 03:11 PM
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To me it's not just about the fortunes or destiny of the oilers. I think the arena is great for downtown edmonton so i support it no matter how the team does.

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01-08-2014, 04:18 PM
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To me it's not just about the fortunes or destiny of the oilers. I think the arena is great for downtown edmonton so i support it no matter how the team does.
I completely agree.
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I have lived and worked downtown for ~8 years
The industry I work in is largely influenced by night time population (foot traffic etc.)

That said, I, like everyone reading this, am a huge Oilers fan. Like it or not, because the new arena is the centerpiece for this revitalization project, the success and failure of this downtown arena district is inexorably tied to the fate of the Oilers. As Replacement pointed out, the franchise is in such a sorry state that Oilers tickets are not the hot commodity that they can and should be. Poor Oilers performance ultimately means fewer customers for the surrounding businesses, be it fewer butts in seats thus less people, or fewer "happy people" willing to spend $$$ downtown before/after the game instead traveling directly back to the suburbs because the game puts them in a bad mood.

Even now some distance from Rexall or an LRT station, I can tell you that my workplace is busier after a win than a loss regardless what day of the week it is. I guess an Oilers win makes people feel lucky... (PRO TIP: The odds are in the house's favour)

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They need to kill off that ****ing show oil change, what an embarrassment

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The arena should have had more capacity. This city can support it, especially in the playoffs (and please don't say something lame like "playoffs are never happening"). To sacrifice capacity for luxury boxes would have made more sense if the arena wasn't paid for with tax money from the people. Demand for tickets will be high and so will the ticket prices.

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01-08-2014, 07:55 PM
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I don't think I've ever paid to go to an oilers game, I've gone to half a dozen in my life and had free tickets every time. Also I haven't been to a game in ~4 years. But if the new arena was open next month I'd be trying to get a ticket to go to a game. And I think a lot of other people will be in the same boat, going to a game or an event there just to check out the arena, see where those tax dollars went. See what a brand new entertainment complex looks like, etc.

I really couldn't care less about the oilers now, they've steadily been losing me as a fan every year of this rebuild, but I'm genuinely excited about the arena.

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I really couldn't care less about the oilers now, they've steadily been losing me as a fan every year of this rebuild, but I'm genuinely excited about the arena.
yep. I'll actually shell out if there is a band I really want to see.
hopefully the seats will not be as cramped as they are in rexall.

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lol if there was ever an entity that 100% did not deserve public funding it's the edmonton oilers. Can't wait until we fill katz towers with the city of edmonton employees to make that part of the setting another big 'success' so glad to hear about more projects being pushed back because we don't have infra funds to tackle them while we build an arena for Katz and the boys.

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Even if the Oilers pass Buffalo and finish last place, just wait for Lowe and co. to turn on the off-season hype machine of bringing in ELITE, AMAZING ROOKIES in Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom, and they'll sell out all the big games for the entire season in September just like they did this year. Probably going to continue being like that every year even if they continue to finish in last place.
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I'm pretty sure it's the fans who do that, not management.
you gotta admit the thought of having Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin all making the team next year is pretty sweet and mindboggling, though they would be very inexperienced!

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you gotta admit the thought of having Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin all making the team next year is pretty sweet and mindboggling, though they would be very inexperienced!
Maybe in 5 years it would be sweet but in the short term it's most likely that inexperience causes them and the team to underperform. Even the best d-men usually take years to develop. Chara wasnt great when he was 20, neither was Pronger or Lidstrom or Chelios or Robinson.

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How many people will be willing to dish out 100-350 bucks in the new arena?

Answer a lot. There are people that are simply buying tickets now because they don't want to lose access to the new arena.
The same people can't even bring themselves to attending games. In other words they've learned to avoid the product but you somehow think they are holding so that they can retain the rights to said product indefinitely? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

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you gotta admit the thought of having Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin all making the team next year is pretty sweet and mindboggling, though they would be very inexperienced!
Its a horrifying thought that this club could actually get much worse.

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I don't think I've ever paid to go to an oilers game, I've gone to half a dozen in my life and had free tickets every time.
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Given the state of the Oilers and no end to misery in sight anybody else wondering how many people will be lined up to dole out anywhere from 100-350bucks/ticket in the new arena?
you think that's how much ticket prices are going to be? Gallery seats for tomorrow's game start at $130 and gold seats are between $500-$800 a ticket. I can't even imagine how much they would be in the new arena with a playoff calibre product. Makes me want to throw up just thinking about it.

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you think that's how much ticket prices are going to be? Gallery seats for tomorrow's game start at $130 and gold seats are between $500-$800 a ticket. I can't even imagine how much they would be in the new arena with a playoff calibre product. Makes me want to throw up just thinking about it.
Only because Crosby is in town. Those are definitely not face value prices.

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Only because Crosby is in town. Those are definitely not face value prices.
He also has completely incorrect numbers.

Gallery seats are $70.75 tomorrow night, Gold are $324.75.

People scalping is a different story.

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He also has completely incorrect numbers.

Gallery seats are $70.75 tomorrow night, Gold are $324.75.

People scalping is a different story.
I'd argue a scalper's asking price is a pretty good indication of how much people value a specific ticket.

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