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01-10-2014, 11:04 AM
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I know very little about Alex Tuch other than that he's in the USNTP and that he's huge. What's his game like? Goalscorer? Future 4th line plug?
From what I've seen and heard, he's not a great skater but an overpowering kind of guy.

Big, strong winger/center but probably better suited for the wing.

He plays with Eichel for the USNTDP -- not all the time but most of the time. He's headed for BC. Plays the slot on the power play.

The kid is a manchild. He's 6'2 225 and not even 18 yet.

He'll rise. Another American. He's from Syracuse like Nieves. The guy who runs the Watertown Hockey League says he'll probably be the best kid Northern NY has ever developed as of late.

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Team USA used to be known for their power forwards. The 1996 team who upset Canada in Canada was full of elite power forwards/centers -- Leclair, Guerin, Tkachuk, Roenick, Modano, Deadmarsh -- these guys pulverized people.

The Rangers' best hitter is Callahan, with Kreider and Miller getting there. Team USA for 2014 has backes, Brown, Pacioretty and Wheeler but the rest are skill guys.

The Rangers should follow the Bruins blueprint. Their blueline was always massive and hit hard in open ice. Ference, Boychuk, McQuaid, Chara...

Staal was a very good open ice hitter before the concussion. Girardi never was. neither is Del Zotto. McDonagh is still developing. Moore and Stralman avoid contact altogether. They need a guy like Orpik or Foote or Hatcher or Jackman who will make people pay for cutting through the zone.

Hopefully McIlrath is still salvageable, because he'd be perfect in that role.

Use the 1st pick for size and toughness up front. Use the second pick for size and toughness on the back end. Use the 2014 draft for need and if they are sellers at the deadline get as many 2015 picks as possible.

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Kristo, Tambellini, Duclair and Buchenevich are small. they need to bulk up. Tambellini complained to daddy about the rough and tumble NCAA, so Daddy got him to the Hitmen and the best team in the WHL. His first game with Calgary he had a 4-point night.

Nieves, Graves and McIlrath are the only guys with upside who have size. Fast and Lindberg are strong on the puck and will be fine.

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Wish I had more time to follow prospects this year. Good info guys.

Like what I am hearing about Virtanen, Richie, Honka, Perlini, and Tuch.

Aside from obvious guys like Dal Colle and Draisaitl who will be long shots for the Rangers to nab.

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Wish I had more time to follow prospects this year. Good info guys.

Like what I am hearing about Virtanen, Richie, Honka, Perlini, and Tuch.

Aside from obvious guys like Dal Colle and Draisaitl who will be long shots for the Rangers to nab.
I actually really like this draft. Moreso than the last couple years. Seems like a lot of depth 10-20.

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Wish I had more time to follow prospects this year. Good info guys.

Like what I am hearing about Virtanen, Richie, Honka, Perlini, and Tuch.

Aside from obvious guys like Dal Colle and Draisaitl who will be long shots for the Rangers to nab.
I think I'd have a real hard time passing on Honka if we're picking in the 10-15 range.

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If the Rangers go defense in the 1st round I hope they use the pick on Honka. I might lose it if they take Fleury. Honka and a high boom/bust pick up front like Tuch, Ho-Sang, or Schmalz. I wonder if someone like Pastrnak or Nylander will be around at 24-27 too. It shouldn't be tough to acquire another late 1st someway, somehow.

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If the Rangers go defense in the 1st round I hope they use the pick on Honka. I might lose it if they take Fleury. Honka and a high boom/bust pick up front like Tuch, Ho-Sang, or Schmalz. I wonder if someone like Pastrnak or Nylander will be around at 24-27 too. It shouldn't be tough to acquire another late 1st someway, somehow.
Fleury is a good player - not sure what would make you so adamant against him.

Schmalz is just a non-factor at this point and he's included only because of his size. Essentially he's a worse Brian Boyle.

I have a strong feeling all the Swedes are going to level the draft board at the U-18s. They may not be there then. Pastrnak is close stylistically to Ehlers.

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01-11-2014, 02:09 AM
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Nick Ritchie is definitely on my radar. I could see him being our pick this coming June. Big, tough power forward with skill. We definitely have to draft this type of player because they are hard to trade for. Alex Tuch also. Good eye Joey Bones !

Julius Honka is something that we need also. A right shooting, puck moving defenseman. Great skater, very skilled, PP quarterback. Just a bit concerned about his size. 5'11/178.
Thank you for the complement on my special eyes Jacques Strap . Ritchie is a player that the Rangers could use in a remarkable way. Could anyone give me an NHL comparison to him?

Honka is most likely the guy for me. He's playing great, is an offensive righty on the back end, and has Erik Karlsson-like qualities, but the factor is his size. I would think he'll be fine building his stature and growth. There's also Anthony DeAngelo.

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Definitely worried about Honka's size. Reminds me a bit of Ryan Ellis coming out. Not sure I take him unless they can find another first.
It's definitely something to note about, but he's still young. He'll definitely gain some weight & grow a few inches. The kid turned 18 a month ago.

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Adrian Kempe or Alex Tuch.

Tuch is a beast. Kempe is a little like Landeskog.
Agreed. Would take either one of them.

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Team USA used to be known for their power forwards. The 1996 team who upset Canada in Canada was full of elite power forwards/centers -- Leclair, Guerin, Tkachuk, Roenick, Modano, Deadmarsh -- these guys pulverized people.

The Rangers' best hitter is Callahan, with Kreider and Miller getting there. Team USA for 2014 has backes, Brown, Pacioretty and Wheeler but the rest are skill guys.

The Rangers should follow the Bruins blueprint. Their blueline was always massive and hit hard in open ice. Ference, Boychuk, McQuaid, Chara...

Staal was a very good open ice hitter before the concussion. Girardi never was. neither is Del Zotto. McDonagh is still developing. Moore and Stralman avoid contact altogether. They need a guy like Orpik or Foote or Hatcher or Jackman who will make people pay for cutting through the zone.

Hopefully McIlrath is still salvageable, because he'd be perfect in that role.

Use the 1st pick for size and toughness up front. Use the second pick for size and toughness on the back end. Use the 2014 draft for need and if they are sellers at the deadline get as many 2015 picks as possible.
I don't necessarily agree with Stralman avoiding contact completely. He has had some very nice hits, especially with the hip, but I do agree with what you are implying which is why they most likely kept McIlrath for so long.

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Wish I had more time to follow prospects this year. Good info guys.

Like what I am hearing about Virtanen, Richie, Honka, Perlini, and Tuch.

Aside from obvious guys like Dal Colle and Draisaitl who will be long shots for the Rangers to nab.
People saying it's a horrible draft are lyers. It's a well above average draft IMO. Not like 2013, but its still got some punch. Players like the ones you mentioned as well as others really have been performing with lots of qualities to crave. If you are bored one day and get the chance to actually view some of them you should. Great talent surfacing this year and years to come. I'm really excited for this time of year & hopefully I'll post some more about them soon and do more mocks.

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I actually really like this draft. Moreso than the last couple years. Seems like a lot of depth 10-20.
Agreed. Maybe a few diamonds in the rough.

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I think I'd have a real hard time passing on Honka if we're picking in the 10-15 range.
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If the Rangers go defense in the 1st round I hope they use the pick on Honka. I might lose it if they take Fleury. Honka and a high boom/bust pick up front like Tuch, Ho-Sang, or Schmalz. I wonder if someone like Pastrnak or Nylander will be around at 24-27 too. It shouldn't be tough to acquire another late 1st someway, somehow.
Agreed on Honka, although Fleury isn't bad at all. Much rather would take Julius and his projection.

Would take Tuch and Ho-Sang way before Schmalz. Someone said before that he's worse than Boyle & I would whole heartedly agree. Schmalz would be fine for that 4th line role that Boyle does so well for us already. No need for him in our future.

Pastrnak I feel is going to either rise a lot or fall a lot. I wouldn't mind selecting him in those spots either, but I think Tuch would be a better piece. Nylander will be this year's Teravainen, but will be selected before No. 20, maybe even No. 15.

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Fleury is a good player - not sure what would make you so adamant against him.

Schmalz is just a non-factor at this point and he's included only because of his size. Essentially he's a worse Brian Boyle.

I have a strong feeling all the Swedes are going to level the draft board at the U-18s. They may not be there then. Pastrnak is close stylistically to Ehlers.
There's the Boyle statement

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I'm not sure we're talking about the right player here guys. Nick Schmaltz is 5'10", 180 pounds, and is a slippery, skilled playmaker. If he makes the NHL, he hardly projects as a 4th line checking center a la Boyle. I'll just leave it at I'm confused here, re: Schmaltz.

I have nothing against Fleury. I'm a huge proponent of BPA, but our prospect pool needs skill players in the worst way. Fleury is also left handed. My tune would change a lot if he was a righty. If we're picking 10-12 and he's the BPA, so be it, but I personally don't think he is. He's a very safe bet to make the NHL, but nothing about him suggests he'll be a top pairing guy.

I'm really interested in Tuch now. Is he overpowering in the sense that he just uses his body to win battles because he's bigger than his competition? Or is he a mean SOB that hits to punish and impose his will? Could be our Lucic if he has even a lick of skill.

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Not for the draft, but a UFA to keep an eye on, Randy Gazzola:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=117333

Gazzola originally intended on playing college hockey in the US, but things didn't work out, so he joined the QMJHL in 2012. He turned 20 this past September.

He's having a good season for Val-d'Or, currently 2nd overall in the Q for points from defensemen. Granted, he is an over-ager, but this is the middle of his 2nd season in the Q. He moved up in competition from Junior A, so his performance against better competition in the matter of 1.5 seasons deserves noting.

He's a right-handed shot with size.

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Hes a big kid who has a really good stick defensively, said Mooseheads head coach Dominique Ducharme. Hes smart on the ice, he knows whats around him, and hes got good vision with the puck. Hes really good at making that first pass and he has a hard and heavy shot.
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Now, just a couple of years after making his junior B debut in Thorold, Gazzola is one of those older guys on a young Val dOr Foreurs squad, where hes counted upon to play big minutes and help quarterback the teams offense from the blue line . . . I have a bigger role here than I did in Halifax, so it really keeps me going and motivates me, he said. Im playing a lot of minutes here and Im penalty killing as well as on the second power play, so its exciting for me.
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He's also wearing a letter for the Foreurs this season.

Ryan Graves was just traded to Val-d'Or. In Graves' first game, he started on the first pair with Gazzola, so the Rangers ought to get a good look at Gazzola for the rest of this season, if they haven't already.

This is a player that the Rangers could get for the cost of a contract, even if it is a PTO with Hartford. Given the Rangers' need for right-shooting D and offensive D prospects, it couldn't hurt to give him a shot in the AHL and see what happens. He could be a Conor Allen-type catch.

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Ekblad with 4 goals tonight.

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If the Rangers go defense in the 1st round I hope they use the pick on Honka. I might lose it if they take Fleury. Honka and a high boom/bust pick up front like Tuch, Ho-Sang, or Schmalz. I wonder if someone like Pastrnak or Nylander will be around at 24-27 too. It shouldn't be tough to acquire another late 1st someway, somehow.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...224634983.html

Look who his favorite team is. Two honks for Honka !!!

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Count me in on the Honka pick. I feel like Swedes and Finns are the best of both worlds when it comes to the Rangers current drafting preference. They're the safe Euro pick, but also play the speed/finesse game that has potential higher upside.

I have no problem with them drafting more players from those nations.

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Count me in on the Honka bandwagon. Loved him in the world juniors. And apparently he's even better in juniors.

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I would be very happy if the Rangers could find another first somehow. Would like to take a safe forward if they are going to roll the dice on Honka.

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Central Scouting Midterm rankings are out. Some surprises in there, in my opinion.

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Was glancing over the rankings and saw Tuch, then saw he has been discussed here at length already. He really seems like a Rangers pick just from that frame and background.

If they had two firsts and took Honka/Tuch I'd say that'd be a pretty damn solid 1st round.

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Was glancing over the rankings and saw Tuch, then saw he has been discussed here at length already. He really seems like a Rangers pick just from that frame and background.

If they had two firsts and took Honka/Tuch I'd say that'd be a pretty damn solid 1st round.

If we have two firsts I would hope we pick Virtanen/Honka or Ritchie/Honka. Tuch would also be a good late first rounder. Wishful thinking !!!

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If we have two firsts I would hope we pick Virtanen/Honka or Ritchie/Honka. Tuch would also be a good late first rounder. Wishful thinking !!!
Yeah, well if they could get one early 1st and one late, or two early that would be optimal. I have a feeling they may end up with two 15+ 1sts if any thanks to the way they are playing now.

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Anyone know anything about Warren Foegele?

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i like Schmalz and Honka SOLELY based on their names. I haven't caught myself up with any prospect news so far this year but those two win.

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Was glancing over the rankings and saw Tuch, then saw he has been discussed here at length already. He really seems like a Rangers pick just from that frame and background.

If they had two firsts and took Honka/Tuch I'd say that'd be a pretty damn solid 1st round.
Agree. Tuch, Larkin, and Milano are all USNTP kids that can go in the 1st round this year. Clark like his American kids, wouldn't be shocked to see him call one of their names this June.

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If we have two firsts I would hope we pick Virtanen/Honka or Ritchie/Honka. Tuch would also be a good late first rounder. Wishful thinking !!!
Ritchie is the definition of manchild. Already 6'2" and 230 (!) pounds as an 18 year old. He won't last past 10th overall, he may even push his way into the top 5.

Regarding the Central scouting rankings: switch Bennett and Reinhart and Dal Colle and Draisatl and I agree with the top 5. Ehlers is too low. Barbashev is too high.

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Was glancing over the rankings and saw Tuch, then saw he has been discussed here at length already. He really seems like a Rangers pick just from that frame and background.

If they had two firsts and took Honka/Tuch I'd say that'd be a pretty damn solid 1st round.
This is how I feel, too. I'd be much more willing to gamble on Honka knowing there's an additional #1 available to grab another physical forward with top 6 potential.

Heck, add a 3rd #1 and you can a use it for a "swing for the fences" type of pick. The overall depth of the system would be dramatically increased.

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On the Monday rumor mill on tsn, the Ducks were said to be offering Sbisa, Souray, & both their 1sts this year (Ottawa's & their own) for Girardi. If that trade happens, we'd have three 1sts (hurray for math ). Who would you guys pick in those projected spots (say 8th, 17th, & 27th)? I would choose Draisaitl (pipe dream for that spot)/Honka/Tuch

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