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01-13-2014, 12:57 AM
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Two years ago we were awesome in the shootouts and was pretty much the only reason we made it in 2012, now it's our Achilles' heel.

How far we have fallen...

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01-13-2014, 01:02 AM
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Elias won't help with shootouts. He used to be good at them, now he sucks. It's something that's spread to this team. Clowe used to be good at them, now he sucks. Boucher was good on his first try, now after spending some time with the team, he too sucks.

That attempt by Boucher tonight was awful. Reminded me of that hideous attempt by Bobby Butler when we had him last year. Didn't even force the goalie to make a save, sent it into the glass.

I'm almost at the point of wanting to bring Brian Rolston back, just so we can use him for shootouts. I bet he would never score on his patented slapshot move, but at least it would be pretty hilarious to watch. This isn't even funny to watch anymore, it's pathetic.

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01-13-2014, 01:07 AM
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Is it time for this team to trade for Brad Boyes?

He is would be an upgrade on Loktionov and can do a job a center when Elias and Brunner return. Or play at wing if DeBoer still wants to persist in playing Patty at center.

But most importantly we need him for the shootout!
If we dress Cam Jan as a specialist enforcer, why can't we dress Boyes as a specialist shooter for the shootout.

With Florida in sell mode after trading Versteeg, it probably won't cost much to acquire him - I would ship both of Tedenby and Josefson for Boyes.
I wanted Boyes so bad in the offseason. He's so underrated and so dirt cheap. He's 31, making just $1mil, has 12g 9a with a god-awful Panthers team this year, is a former 43 and 33 goal scorer, plus has one of the better shootout percentages in the league 6/9 (66.7%) this season and a 46.8% shootout percentage for his career. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

He'd be third in goals and seventh in points if he were on the Devils right now.

As for trading both Teddy and JJ for him, I wouldn't go that far. Teddy and a low draft pick would probably get the deal done. Boyes is only a rental, but could definitely help our playoff push. JJ should be in the AHL right now, he has potential to be a good player, but just hasn't gotten the opportunity.

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It's definitely time for a shootout specialist. Even if he's a 4th line scrub. We really need a high percentage guy in there. Everyone we got isn't cutting it. Jagr has also been brutal in shootouts too. Boucher didn't even force the goalie to make a save on his try tonight (AHL is where he should be returned to) Zajac and Henrique are both hopeless in the shootout.

By the way what is the deal with Boucher right now? What purpose is he serving exactly?
Boucher should not be on this team. I was pissed when we called him up. He was playing so well in the AHL and this stint in the NHL is detrimental to his development. What's the rush? The kid is 20... Let him develop his game a little bit. Play JJ over him...

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01-13-2014, 01:08 AM
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These shootout losses are also absolutely killing us at making a run for the Jennings Trophy. Don't they count the goal for each shootout loss against you? 7 more goals against us that we didn't even technically give up.

Our goal differential this year is a -9 because 7 of them are from 7 shootout losses. Take those out and we're really only a -2. And our goals for are our actual goals for, since we don't have any fake goals from winning any shootouts.

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01-13-2014, 01:21 AM
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Marty was actually good for MOST of the year in 11-12. Quite a few shorthanded goals that were not his fault, and a slow first month after coming off of injury made Marty look worse that season than he actually was. The Marty of 11-12 was a very GOOD goaltender. Still top 10 in the league IMO. The Marty of 13-14 has been a very inconsistent one, especially as of late.

If we're going by wins Marty is 1-2-1 in his last 4. Cory is 3-1-1 in his last 4.
I agree, I'm not saying play Marty over Cory. Cory is the hot hand now. Just saying lets not downplay or diminish what Marty has done for us this season so far. Wins DO matter.

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01-13-2014, 01:23 AM
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These shootout losses are also absolutely killing us at making a run for the Jennings Trophy. Don't they count the goal for each shootout loss against you? 7 more goals against us that we didn't even technically give up.

Our goal differential this year is a -9 because 7 of them are from 7 shootout losses. Take those out and we're really only a -2. And our goals for are our actual goals for, since we don't have any fake goals from winning any shootouts.
I might be wrong but I don't think they count SO goals. Don't quote me.

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01-13-2014, 01:41 AM
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The New Jersey Devils have some announcements to make:

First off, we have sent Reid Boucher and Jon Merrill down to our minor affiliate, Albany Devils, while recalling Adam Larsson.

Next, we have traded for forwards Andrew Ladd, Brandon Pirri, and Nail Yakupov.

Finally, we have fired Pete DeBoer and left Scott Stevens as interim head coach.

...And then I woke up.

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01-13-2014, 02:22 AM
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Team is playing it's best hockey in a while IMO. They're actually competing EVERY night now. Usually they would have the obligatory no show that happened once a week, but they've went a whole week without having one of those. Haven't had one since Buffalo last week. That's the first time I can say this in a long time. Probably since November. It's really showing with picking up at least a point in every game this week.

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01-13-2014, 02:29 AM
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The New Jersey Devils have some announcements to make:

First off, we have sent Reid Boucher and Jon Merrill down to our minor affiliate, Albany Devils, while recalling Adam Larsson.

Next, we have traded for forwards Andrew Ladd, Brandon Pirri, and Nail Yakupov.

Finally, we have fired Pete DeBoer and left Scott Stevens as interim head coach.

...And then I woke up.
Ugh I'd rather keep DeBoer than have Stevens take over for him. I think Stevens might be an even bigger problem than Pete if what Deb supposedly said is true. Salvador having the third highest ATOI of all skaters on the team tells you all you need to know about that one. That's 2 minutes higher than his career average.

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01-13-2014, 03:01 AM
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01-13-2014, 03:16 AM
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I've just did my own little review of all the goals allowed this season by both goalies. Kinda like the one In Lou We Trust does after a season concludes. I've done this to see how many goals were soft or stoppable goals. In my criteria as what I've considered soft goals, I'm counting shots that went through a goalie (5 hole, 7 hole) low shortside shots, really long shots with no screen or deflections. Or an error caused by a goalie like a puck handling error or giveaway. I didn't count rebounds for the most part, aside from a few horrendously blatant rebounds. A couple of the rebounds I've counted were ones a really hideous one where Marty looked clueless and lost the puck in Washington, as well as Cory not covering up in the second Pittsburgh game, as well as a very hideous rebound left by Cory in the first Pittsburgh game. Also counted the one that popped out of Cory's glove in Chicago.

I've counted 21 bad goals given up by Marty, 12 bad ones given up by Cory.

Marty hasn't exactly averaged almost a bad goal a game, I've counted at least 3 games though where he's given up multiple bad ones. Cory has had a couple where he's given up multiple bad ones as well.

The difference between Marty and Cory's save percentage is mostly in the difference of bad goals allowed by Marty. Marty would currently have a 917 save percentage if he had allowed only 12 bad ones like Schneider has. That's right around Schneider's save percentage which is 921 overall.

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01-13-2014, 07:14 AM
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Stevens became the HC in your dream ? That's a nightmare . I would rather keep Pete

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01-13-2014, 07:20 AM
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Doubt we could get.Ladd and Yak without ripping up the defense

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01-13-2014, 07:52 AM
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Is Viktor Kozlov still alive? He was a big dufus most of the time, but always money in the shootout.


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01-13-2014, 08:09 AM
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Whoa, whoa. People are twisting words here. Marty didn't say any of that. He said he wants to continue playing because his heart is in it, he wants to win & help win. He said his body may not hold up to his heart, but he hopes it will. He said he wants to be a Devil, but if the Devils don't see him in their plans, he would be willing to try somewhere else, which is perfectly fine. He DID NOT say he wants to or will leave because of any of the following: He doesn't play enough, he doesn't start enough games, he wants to be the starter, he's better than Cory, etc.

Difference is Marty was saying he wants to be competitive not that he wants all the starts, Cory on the other hand was complaining because he felt he should have been the clear starter though his play wasn't exactly mirroring his wants at that point. Even now, Cory's play isn't dictating he should be the clear starter. Cory has played 22 games, 3 less than Marty . Even if Cory wins his next 3 games, he still will fall short of Marty's 12 wins. 7 wins in 22 games and we should boot Marty to make this guy the starter? No freaking way! Not yet, at least.
Look, you clearly have a bias for Marty, and probably have his fathead on your wall at home. Every post you submit is all about how Marty is the best, and he's done this and he's done that. Well guess what it's 2014, not 1994.

There's no need for him to mention going to another team till the seasons over.
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I’ll see what’s best scenario for me if it’s back in New Jersey or somewhere else.

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01-13-2014, 08:12 AM
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I have nothing against you but can you please just stop being overly negative about everything?



Whoa, whoa. People are twisting words here. Marty didn't say any of that. He said he wants to continue playing because his heart is in it, he wants to win & help win. He said his body may not hold up to his heart, but he hopes it will. He said he wants to be a Devil, but if the Devils don't see him in their plans, he would be willing to try somewhere else, which is perfectly fine. He DID NOT say he wants to or will leave because of any of the following: He doesn't play enough, he doesn't start enough games, he wants to be the starter, he's better than Cory, etc.

Difference is Marty was saying he wants to be competitive not that he wants all the starts, Cory on the other hand was complaining because he felt he should have been the clear starter though his play wasn't exactly mirroring his wants at that point. Even now, Cory's play isn't dictating he should be the clear starter. Cory has played 22 games, 3 less than Marty . Even if Cory wins his next 3 games, he still will fall short of Marty's 12 wins. 7 wins in 22 games and we should boot Marty to make this guy the starter? No freaking way! Not yet, at least.

we're looking like we're going to miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years

what is there to be positive about?

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01-13-2014, 08:18 AM
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we're looking like we're going to miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years

what is there to be positive about?
I personally enjoy watching this team play, and think they put up some great hockey over the last three games on short rest and without some key guys.

Some of you are completely deluded by the success this team had in the 90s and early 00s. That's not normal, nor is it sustainable without some bumps in the road along the way.

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Not sure why Brodeur would talk about that now, but if you're him, and you want to come back for 1 more year, you'd probably want to be somewhere that has a legit shot to do something in the playoffs. Hard to argue that NJ is that place.

I think he's probably outta here. Why be a backup on a crap team when you can be a backup (or more) on a better/good team? Just to go down as a "lifer"?

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Not sure why Brodeur would talk about that now, but if you're him, and you want to come back for 1 more year, you'd probably want to be somewhere that has a legit shot to do something in the playoffs. Hard to argue that NJ is that place.

I think he's probably outta here. Why be a backup on a crap team when you can be a backup (or more) on a better/good team? Just to go down as a "lifer"?
Brodeur will not get significant starts on a team that has a legit shot at the playoffs.

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Maybe Marty just wants to play on a team that scores a lot

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I personally enjoy watching this team play, and think they put up some great hockey over the last three games on short rest and without some key guys.

Some of you are completely deluded by the success this team had in the 90s and early 00s. That's not normal, nor is it sustainable without some bumps in the road along the way.
I wouldn't call what they've played the past 3 games "great hockey". what do they have, 4 goals?

look, I love the team too and I'll never stop watching but come on. I could deal with down years if it looked like the team had a vision but this one looks like it does not.

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I wouldn't call what they've played the past 3 games "great hockey". what do they have, 4 goals?

look, I love the team too and I'll never stop watching but come on. I could deal with down years if it looked like the team had a vision but this one looks like it does not.
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01-13-2014, 08:41 AM
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I mentioned it in the GDT and I'll mention it here again:

Deb Placey calls the games on the radio. She mentioned that Scott Stevens, and not Pete Deboer, is in charge of the defense. That means who goes in and out, who gets what ice time, and who goes in and out of certain situations.

Pete has distanced himself from the defensive decisions recently, consistently saying "Scott" this and "Scott" that whenever the defense is brought up. You can criticize him for delegating that power (I'm not sure if that's the norm). I'm not sure if Pete is the focus of our defensive logjam though. He seems to be making it a point to Deb and others that he has very little to do with it.

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