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01-13-2014, 07:33 PM
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Hartnell wont get you a number one tho, but you do have the pieces to get one. Goodluck

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01-13-2014, 07:35 PM
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oh, your the first Philly fan ive talked too who wouldn't do a deal around Hartnell and Wiercioch... well then, time to take my proposals elsewhere I guess lol
Mostly because I'd rather package him into a deal for a #1, if possible.

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Whatever the trade is, it would be worth it in the end.

The team we have been given in wake of Pronger's departure is mediocre at best.

Blow it up.
What happens if your trade has a career ending injury (just like Pronger did)?

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01-13-2014, 07:39 PM
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What happens if your trade has a career ending injury (just like Pronger did)?
This can apply to every player in the league, it's a risk you must take

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01-13-2014, 07:43 PM
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Hartnell wont get you a number one tho, but you do have the pieces to get one. Goodluck
Hartnell alone won't, but there's no sense in moving Hartnell for something we already have enough of, when we can use him or move him to fulfill a need we actually have. No slight to Weiroch, but he's not what we need.

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01-13-2014, 07:45 PM
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Hartnell wont get you a number one tho, but you do have the pieces to get one. Goodluck
I don't think any human playing with a full deck would argue that.

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01-13-2014, 07:48 PM
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This can apply to every player in the league, it's a risk you must take
Trading away several quality pieces for one guy is dangerous, especially if that guy is dumb enough to not wear a visor.

Imagine this team with Weber and Pronger on LTIR.

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01-13-2014, 07:53 PM
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Trading away several quality pieces for one guy is dangerous, especially if that guy is dumb enough to not wear a visor.

Imagine this team with Weber and Pronger on LTIR.


Maybe we could just wrap all our players in bubble wrap while we're at it.

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01-13-2014, 08:04 PM
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They should have won under Lindros.

I don't see how Hextall and Snow falling flat on their face was on Lindros?

Also not like we lost to a super soft opponent either.

Detroit was hardly a pushover.
Detroit shut down the top line. no one else stepped up outside of Brind'Amour(speaking of players that should of never been traded).
As far as the topic at hand, once again this pipe dream of getting Weber, Pietrangelo, ect ect needs to be put aside. its not going to happen. Beef mentioned it and i agree with it. find your guy in the draft. its a cheaper option.

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01-13-2014, 08:10 PM
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This can apply to every player in the league, it's a risk you must take
No they don't. The risk is too high- the teams grow their own franchise players. That's the only way for the teams to have franchise players and keep their prospects too.

I n cap era, paraphrasing W. Churchill,- You can't trade your way into prosperity.

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01-13-2014, 08:21 PM
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Hartnell alone won't, but there's no sense in moving Hartnell for something we already have enough of, when we can use him or move him to fulfill a need we actually have. No slight to Weiroch, but he's not what we need.
so the only way you'd consider moving hartnell is in a package for a #1 d man?

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01-13-2014, 08:30 PM
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Once in a great while, those players are available. Mostly because David Poile is an idiot. #1 defensemen otherwise are not available. Everyone saw the Ducks, Oilers, and Blues hit the skids when Pronger was traded. That's why when you have one, you make sure you pay it forward and don't let them leave.
Like a franchise quarterback in the NFL.

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so the only way you'd consider moving hartnell is in a package for a #1 d man?
There's no #1's available & Hartnell likely wouldn't be an enticing piece to a team if one were to magically come available unless salary had to be sent back to make it work for both teams financially or cap wise.

If we were to trade Hartnell it would likely be for future(s).

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01-13-2014, 08:40 PM
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There's no #1's available & Hartnell likely wouldn't be an enticing piece to a team if one were to magically come available unless salary had to be sent back to make it work for both teams financially or cap wise.

If we were to trade Hartnell it would likely be for future(s).
but this is exactly why I came here to offer a deal around Wiercioch (future top 2-3 D man).. I felt it was a mutually beneficial deal that is also realistic.

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01-13-2014, 08:41 PM
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hes 23 and has been taking longer simply do to his strength, he was a twig a couple years ago lol And im willing to add

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01-13-2014, 09:03 PM
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Our forward prospect pool is complete ***** despite some people not wanting to admit it. It basically amounts to Laughton and you can throw Cousins in too as a name mention I guess. Meanwhile our prospect group at D is actually semi-strong and we even have Stolarz as a G prospect.

Our NHL forwards, aside from the ones like Lecavalier or Downie, are the last players that should be traded. We don't have anyone in the system to replace lost forwards. It's why when a guy like Read goes down we have to call up Tye McGinn.

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Detroit shut down the top line. no one else stepped up outside of Brind'Amour(speaking of players that should of never been traded).
As far as the topic at hand, once again this pipe dream of getting Weber, Pietrangelo, ect ect needs to be put aside. its not going to happen. Beef mentioned it and i agree with it. find your guy in the draft. its a cheaper option.
And it's not like you have to tank to get a #1 dman in the draft either. Weber and Subban were drafted in the 2nd round. Letang (If you consider him a #1) in the 3rd. Karlsson went 15th overall. Just gotta be patient and let our prospects develop.

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01-13-2014, 09:27 PM
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Yeah, D seem to be harder to predict then forwards come draft time and easier to predict then goalies.

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Build this team through the draft im tired of trading picks and young players for older players.Only up for a trade if we dont trade any of our youth.

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hes 23 and has been taking longer simply do to his strength, he was a twig a couple years ago lol And im willing to add
I would imagine the Flyers wouldn't want to take on another multiple year contract on the backend when they have kids coming up.

I honestly don't think Hartnell's being moved. The organization likes him too much & he's been playing better of late to justify keeping him (from an organizational standpoint). Then you add in his NMC & things get more complicated.

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01-13-2014, 09:41 PM
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And it's not like you have to tank to get a #1 dman in the draft either. Weber and Subban were drafted in the 2nd round. Letang (If you consider him a #1) in the 3rd. Karlsson went 15th overall. Just gotta be patient and let our prospects develop.
That's the main reason why I would pass on trading multiple assets for a defensive prospect. It's too risky because it's such a crapshoot.

I felt the same way last year about Seth Jones & I really liked him as a prospect.

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That's the main reason why I would pass on trading multiple assets for a defensive prospect. It's too risky because it's such a crapshoot.

I felt the same way last year about Seth Jones & I really liked him as a prospect.
Seth Jones was probably a lot more obtainable than Ekblad right now too. Since the flyers still had a very good draft pick and Nashville lacked quality forwards which we have in abundance it would have been costly, but he was obtainable. Assuming we have a 15-20 pick in a average-weak draft, it would probably take a lot more.

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Seth Jones was probably a lot more obtainable than Ekblad right now too. Since the flyers still had a very good draft pick and Nashville lacked quality forwards which we have in abundance it would have been costly, but he was obtainable. Assuming we have a 15-20 pick in a average-weak draft, it would probably take a lot more.
Doubtful, Nashville was very very high on Jones & were all giddy when he fell in their lap.

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Doubtful, Nashville was very very high on Jones & were all giddy when he fell in their lap.
He was number one on their board. Lucky ********.

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He was number one on their board. Lucky ********.
I forget where I saw it (maybe the NHL Network) but they were floored when he was available at #4.

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