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01-13-2014, 10:54 PM
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God I love Edler. This Kings game is going crazy and hes throwing hits every where.

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01-13-2014, 11:38 PM
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Given Oates' untreated mental illness it would be Klesla.

I'd much rather have Michalek as it would position us to maaaaaybe move on from 52.
I''d prefer Michalek over either of those two as well, but not because I want to move on from 52. Rather because he's better than those other two defenders, but I don't see Phx moving him. They have been wanting to move Klesla and he'll be the most likely, but my bet is other pieces will be involved in this trade.

Klesla would have been a great fit for the capitals in his hayday, but he's aging and it's starting to show. On top of that he got a concussion from a cheap shot in the pre-season and hasn't been quite the same (remember the effect it had on Mojo?). Klesla is also injury prone, but his skill set is intriguing as a big, physical shutdown defender.

But back to my initial point. Mike Green isn't and will never be a shut down defender, but he is still a game breaking talent, who got off to a terrible start to the season. He's played much better of late offensively and defensively and hopefully he's rounding into form. When he plays up to his ability he's makes the capitals a much better team. I was nervous at first, but I really like the Orlov-Green pairing.

I get fans are frustrated with Green, but IMHO despite his flaws he's a unique talent that makes the caps team much better.

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01-14-2014, 01:42 AM
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I''d prefer Michalek over either of those two as well, but not because I want to move on from 52. Rather because he's better than those other two defenders, but I don't see Phx moving him. They have been wanting to move Klesla and he'll be the most likely, but my bet is other pieces will be involved in this trade.

Klesla would have been a great fit for the capitals in his hayday, but he's aging and it's starting to show. On top of that he got a concussion from a cheap shot in the pre-season and hasn't been quite the same (remember the effect it had on Mojo?). Klesla is also injury prone, but his skill set is intriguing as a big, physical shutdown defender.

But back to my initial point. Mike Green isn't and will never be a shut down defender, but he is still a game breaking talent, who got off to a terrible start to the season. He's played much better of late offensively and defensively and hopefully he's rounding into form. When he plays up to his ability he's makes the capitals a much better team. I was nervous at first, but I really like the Orlov-Green pairing.

I get fans are frustrated with Green, but IMHO despite his flaws he's a unique talent that makes the caps team much better.
He has been playing much better the last handful of games, but you are not allowed to say anything positive about Mike Green.

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01-14-2014, 07:25 AM
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He has been playing much better the last handful of games, but you are not allowed to say anything positive about Mike Green.
At least until the 2nd round.

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01-14-2014, 07:45 AM
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If Kuz indeed does join the team this year, then I think this is how things will play out.

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Even with one of our RW's gone, Wilson would still be limited to only third line duties. This makes me wonder if management is planning to demote him to Hershey next year when he becomes AHL eligable, where he would get a chance to play top 6 minutes on a regular basis.

Meanwhile we go with Chimera-Latta-Beagle as our 4:th line. Considering GMGM's inability to make logical moves, he will probably give Laich, Brouwer and Ward another season to decide for himself who to ship out.

At this point of course, one of these guys will have had a terrible season, meaning GMGM will probably trade an asset which a season prior could have returned a late first round pick for a mediocre 4:th round pick and some useless AHL prospect.

...But of course I don't know ****. Had I done so I would probably be in the game. Isn't that right Georgie

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01-14-2014, 08:46 AM
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I get fans are frustrated with Green, but IMHO despite his flaws he's a unique talent that makes the caps team much better.
I keep seeing people post this and I ask again, what is so unique about his play the last ~4 years?

What about him is different, in a positive way, than any other defenseman in the game today? I get that he has slick stick handling skills and soft hands.....thats not overly unique. Several years back he played an attacking style of hockey mixed in with some sandpaper, where he would make a big hit here and there. I get that the team played an attacking style....he has been injured a lot....and that both of them are reasons why he likely wont be a 1st team all-star and norris finalist again.....but thats kinda my point.

If people agree that he wont reach those high levels again, what is so unique about him? To me he seems to be a offensive minded defenseman/pp specialist, and again....thats not what I call unique

There was a time where I often said he reminded me of Leetch, his style of play and his lateral movement with the puck. The question was would he end up with a Leetch like career or more a Ozolnish career. At this point I think its fair to say if he needs to finish his career strong to even have an Ozonlish like career

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01-14-2014, 09:10 AM
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Do we have the pieces to acquire any of Kane/Byufldkgilejg/Ladd?

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01-14-2014, 09:31 AM
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Feel like Tom Wilson can land almost any player, aside from him if the Jets were willing to take a chance on Kuz, I'd say yes.

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01-14-2014, 09:40 AM
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Feel like Tom Wilson can land almost any player, aside from him if the Jets were willing to take a chance on Kuz, I'd say yes.
Forsberg would also probably be a valuable asset to move for a real need

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Do we have the pieces to acquire any of Kane/Byufldkgilejg/Ladd?
Yes.

Do we really want to trade draft picks when the end result is that this defense stays the same?

And seriously don't say that Byfuglien helps this team defensively

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01-14-2014, 09:48 AM
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Do we have the pieces to acquire any of Kane/Byufldkgilejg/Ladd?
Out of the pieces the Caps would be looking to deal, probably not. I doubt they're interested in Brouwer/Laich/Erat. If the Jets really like Holtby and the Caps are willing to move him, maybe he's enough to get the ball rolling? Holtby + Orlov/Mojo + pick(s) + salary dump? It would be hard to make the cap numbers work if they want cheap pieces from the Caps.

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Yes.

Do we really want to trade draft picks when the end result is that this defense stays the same?
We have a soft, midget defense that can't score goals or establish the offensive zone. You don't think Byfuglien would help that?

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01-14-2014, 09:53 AM
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Are we confident Oates won't make Byfuglien a W or even a C?

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01-14-2014, 10:04 AM
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Kane definitely isn't worth what it would take to get him. Ladd is the one I would target but I assume he's the least likely to be available.

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01-14-2014, 10:15 AM
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01-14-2014, 10:17 AM
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Kane definitely isn't worth what it would take to get him. Ladd is the one I would target but I assume he's the least likely to be available.
Exactly. Ladd would be nice though.

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01-14-2014, 10:18 AM
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Kane definitely isn't worth what it would take to get him. Ladd is the one I would target but I assume he's the least likely to be available.
Agreed on both counts. I would guess that Byfuglien is the most available. I'd do something like Green (salary/roster space) + Johannson + picks

No idea what he'd cost but we could use an offensive dman. Especially one on the right.

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Do we have the pieces to acquire any of Kane/Byufldkgilejg/Ladd?
probably. why would the caps want any of these players? I am not saying that they shouldn't but it seems to me that both kane and byuf......however you spell that...are players that have the same sort of issues that many current capitals are criticized for.

ladd....why would winnepeg trade him? for the caps, he is the one that makes the most sense.

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Agreed on both counts. I would guess that Byfuglien is the most available. I'd do something like Green (salary/roster space) + Johannson + picks

No idea what he'd cost but we could use an offensive dman. Especially one on the right.
seriously? you think that buff as he has struggled is so much better than green that Johansson and picks are required? Johansson and a 2nd would be more than enough.

and if you want buff to replace green, you are not going to like the result

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01-14-2014, 10:27 AM
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seriously? you think that buff as he has struggled is so much better than green that Johansson and picks are required? Johansson and a 2nd would be more than enough.

and if you want buff to replace green, you are not going to like the result
Byfuglien scores goals and plays very well in the postseason. Green does neither and earns more money.

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Wait, so we're complaining about Green's brainfarts and defensive shortcomings, but then want to go after Dustin Byfuglien? Really?

I'd have a mild interest in Byfuglien replacing Brouwer as 2RW, but not at the cap hit or trade cost it would require.

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01-14-2014, 10:32 AM
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Wait, so we're complaining about Green's brainfarts and defensive shortcomings, but then want to go after Dustin Byfuglien? Really?

I'd have a mild interest in Byfuglien replacing Brouwer as 2RW, but not at the cap hit or trade cost it would require.
Green's lack of offense is a bigger problem than his defense. If he produces like he did 6 years ago, no one cares about his d. At least Byfuglien produces consistently.

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Green's lack of offense is a bigger problem than his defense. If he produces like he did 6 years ago, no one cares about his d. At least Byfuglien produces consistently.
Ill take Green's defense over Byfuglien's defense 10 times out of 10.

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Ill take Green's defense over Byfuglien's defense 10 times out of 10.
And I'd rather have Byfuglien's offense, durability, contract, physical play and postseason play than whatever it is that Green currently provides.

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And I'd rather have Byfuglien's offense, durability, contract, physical play and postseason play than whatever it is that Green currently provides.
Yeah but the true test would be if Byfuglien could fit on this.


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