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01-14-2014, 08:41 AM
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We have, as far as any of us fans know, never wanted to trade him.

So no I don't think Maurice really wants to change that. Especially with his performance at forward.
I have heard on Sirius NHL radio rumors of him being moved. And on Twitter for what that's worth. It's out there you just never know how serious any of that is.

If your in Winnipeg and don't see it then there must not be much to it. Thanks.

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01-14-2014, 09:19 AM
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As much as I would love to have a huge body like Byfuglien in our lineup it is just unrealistic from the Caps perspective for many reasons.
1. The Caps just don't have enough shinny objects to offer the Jets to get him to leave
2. Oates has OCD about handiness and right now our team is loaded with righties
Ovechkin, Brouwer, Fehr, Ward, Wilson (all forward righties) Green, Carlson, Olesky (all defense righties)
3. Where does he play, offense or defense? As said we have plenty of right wingers and I don't think he is smart enough in his defensive zone to play with what he have on LD
4. If you do trade for him you have to trade for the position he will play and be 100% sure that is where he will play

So if RW move Fehr/Brouwer, Erskine, a prospect, and a 1st or 2nd, and even then I doubt that'll do it
If for RD move Fehr/Brouwer, Erat, Carrick or Bowey, and a 1st or 2nd, again I doubt this will happen

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01-14-2014, 09:56 AM
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As much as I would love to have a huge body like Byfuglien in our lineup it is just unrealistic from the Caps perspective for many reasons.
1. The Caps just don't have enough shinny objects to offer the Jets to get him to leave
2. Oates has OCD about handiness and right now our team is loaded with righties
Ovechkin, Brouwer, Fehr, Ward, Wilson (all forward righties) Green, Carlson, Olesky (all defense righties)
3. Where does he play, offense or defense? As said we have plenty of right wingers and I don't think he is smart enough in his defensive zone to play with what he have on LD
4. If you do trade for him you have to trade for the position he will play and be 100% sure that is where he will play

So if RW move Fehr/Brouwer, Erskine, a prospect, and a 1st or 2nd, and even then I doubt that'll do it
If for RD move Fehr/Brouwer, Erat, Carrick or Bowey, and a 1st or 2nd, again I doubt this will happen
For what it's worth, we already had Fehr and he was NOT good in Winnipeg and wasn't there a rumor the JETS GM had talks with McPhee about Erat and Erat already stated he would not waive his NMC to go to Winnipeg?

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01-14-2014, 10:01 AM
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For what it's worth, we already had Fehr and he was NOT good in Winnipeg and wasn't there a rumor the JETS GM had talks with McPhee about Erat and Erat already stated he would not waive his NMC to go to Winnipeg?
Thats why after each trade I said I doubt this will work. But the trades I proposed I think is about all the caps would be willing to move. That's why my entire post was about the unlikely hood of this ever happening

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01-14-2014, 10:05 AM
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Bowey is not a cutesy nickname for Brouwer.

Madison Bowey was the caps second rounder this year. He's from Winnipeg and looks (haha) like he'll be a top four guy who skates really well with good puck handling abilities.
Thanks for the info! Not enough sleep and being on these boards too long make me think people give all the players cutesy names. I misread the flow of what you said. Makes much more sense now.

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01-14-2014, 10:12 AM
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As a defenseman, I have zero interest in Byfuglien. He doesn't provide anything we need on the blueline, as we already have offensive threats and excellent powerplay blueliners. If you think Orlov and Green play high risk games, wait to you watch Byfuglien.

As a power forward, I wouldn't complain about converting Brouwer in Byfuglien, but it's not a pressing need and wouldn't be worth the additional cap space or trade assets it would take.

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01-14-2014, 10:28 AM
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As a defenseman, I have zero interest in Byfuglien. He doesn't provide anything we need on the blueline, as we already have offensive threats and excellent powerplay blueliners. If you think Orlov and Green play high risk games, wait to you watch Byfuglien.

As a power forward, I wouldn't complain about converting Brouwer in Byfuglien, but it's not a pressing need and wouldn't be worth the additional cap space or trade assets it would take.
I agree with everything except for the bolded... I think it would be worth it. Especially considering the PP of

Buff
Nick-Wardo-Ovi
MoJo

is much better than

Carly
Nick-Troy-Ovi
MoJo

we have right now.

I think just having a guy whom the opposition would really respect as a blueline threat would make the Caps PP lethal.

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01-14-2014, 10:36 AM
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q1: does that caps pp need to get better?
q2: he buff better enough to take pp time away from Carlson and/or Green if still there? remember that Orlov remains as well.

to me this is all unnecessary movement. the pp is as good as they get for two seasons now. the caps have issues, but that isn't one of them. what does buff bring that fills a caps need? I don't see it.

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01-14-2014, 10:46 AM
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I'd sign the guy to have him parked in front of the net even strength, PP, short handed, pregame warms ups, post game interview......day off...

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01-14-2014, 11:19 AM
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I think just having a guy whom the opposition would really respect as a blueline threat would make the Caps PP lethal.
You mean like Mike Green?
The Caps powerplay is the top unit in the league. Is it not already lethal?

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This makes no sense at all to Washington.

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You mean like Mike Green?
The Caps powerplay is the top unit in the league. Is it not already lethal?
Yes but not because of Mike Green. Come on man. Really. Are you his brother? OH WAIT!

THIS IS MIKE GREEN RIGHT???

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01-14-2014, 11:38 AM
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Yes but not because of Mike Green. Come on man. Really. Are you his brother? OH WAIT!

THIS IS MIKE GREEN RIGHT???
Mike Green is a huge part of it.... don't know how you don't see this...

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You mean like Mike Green?
The Caps powerplay is the top unit in the league. Is it not already lethal?
Opposition doesn't really "respect" Greenie as a PP sniper. They often gave him all day to shoot and he's still hesitant. Buff would be throwing bombs.

Yes, it is top in the league, does it mean it can't be better?

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Opposition doesn't really "respect" Greenie as a PP sniper. They often gave him all day to shoot and he's still hesitant. Buff would be throwing bombs.

Yes, it is top in the league, does it mean it can't be better?
Carlson is definitely not afraid to unload from the point. He's not the shooter that Byfuglien is but I'm not sure obtaining a PP shooter is a need when we have something like that already.

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Carlson is definitely not afraid to unload from the point. He's not the shooter that Byfuglien is but I'm not sure obtaining a PP shooter is a need when we have something like that already.
Johnny isn't afraid to fire, but the defense isn't afraid when he's firing We need a guy who would fire and score, making life easier for Ovi and a guy in the slot (if Brouwer's gone, it's Fehr or Ward).

Collapsing seems to be working against Caps PP, we need to force them to spread, create room for shooters and score.

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I'd sign the guy to have him parked in front of the net even strength, PP, short handed, pregame warms ups, post game interview......day off...
Scoring would be even easier for Ovechkin if all he had to do was shoot around the sides of Buff parked in front of the net. That accuracy and velocity firing from behind that wall...good lord.

That said, as a pretty ignorant observer (Really like Washington and Winnipeg, but don't catch as many of their games as i would like) i see Buff fitting well.
Maybe something like this? (Feel free to tell me if i'm under-valuing anyone)

Buff --> Washington
Erat, Neuvirth, and a 2nd round pick go back. Maybe some bottom six player?

Washington definitely wouldn't suffer from Buff at either wing or on D, and Winnipeg's biggest issue from my limited viewpoint seems to be goaltending, and a lack of a solid bottom 6 to compliment a pretty well rounded top 6 when they're all healthy. Maybe Erat finds his touch again, and the other big issues for Winnipeg seems to be in net. I don't know if Pavlec just has had his spirit crushed or what, but he's seemed to have a really rough few seasons.

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Scoring would be even easier for Ovechkin if all he had to do was shoot around the sides of Buff parked in front of the net. That accuracy and velocity firing from behind that wall...good lord.

That said, as a pretty ignorant observer (Really like Washington and Winnipeg, but don't catch as many of their games as i would like) i see Buff fitting well.
Maybe something like this? (Feel free to tell me if i'm under-valuing anyone)

Buff --> Washington
Erat, Neuvirth, and a 2nd round pick go back. Maybe some bottom six player?

Washington definitely wouldn't suffer from Buff at either wing or on D, and Winnipeg's biggest issue from my limited viewpoint seems to be goaltending, and a lack of a solid bottom 6 to compliment a pretty well rounded top 6 when they're all healthy. Maybe Erat finds his touch again, and the other big issues for Winnipeg seems to be in net. I don't know if Pavlec just has had his spirit crushed or what, but he's seemed to have a really rough few seasons.
I think it's an underpayment. I think Buff and Stuart for Erat, Neuvirth, Bowey and first or second is ok.

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Mike Green is a huge part of it.... don't know how you don't see this...
Because it's hard to see Green while he is sitting on the bench while the PP unit is on the ice.

Not so difficult. What are you watching?

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Yes, it is top in the league, does it mean it can't be better?
The Caps have a finite amount of cap space and movable trade assets. Rather than wasting both trying to make a moderate improvement to an area of strength on the team (the powerplay), they should be invested in attempting to correct the glaring issues instead. Namely, upgrading 2LD, 3RD, and potentially 3C.

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Collapsing seems to be working against Caps PP, we need to force them to spread, create room for shooters and score.
How is collapsing working? The Caps PP is tops in the league. Collapsing is exactly what the 1-3-1 is designed to force the PK to do. It's why there's a player who sits in the slot, to force the other team to collapse down to the slot. When the Caps PP is given time and space around the edge is when it's most effective at moving the puck and creating opportunities . When the opponent pressures is when the PK is most effective against the Caps.

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The Caps have a finite amount of cap space and movable trade assets. Rather than wasting both trying to make a moderate improvement to an area of strength on the team (the powerplay), they should be invested in attempting to correct the glaring issues instead. Namely, upgrading 2LD, 3RD, and potentially 3C.
Add a LW to that list as well. An "Oates" LW to be clear.


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Add a LW to that list as well. An "Oates" LW to be clear.
I think one guy who would work out in DC is Martin E... oh, nevermind.

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I think one guy who would work out in DC is Martin E... oh, nevermind.
Haha...a career RW who has not skated one shift at RW. Brilliant.

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He can actually play defense quite well, despite other fanbases accusations.
Yup, buff makes perfect passes right to Malkin for wide open goals. Buff is just SOOOOO good in his own zone.

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Yup, buff makes perfect passes right to Malkin for wide open goals. Buff is just SOOOOO good in his own zone.
It's fairly obvious once you watch him at forward what his impact is on defense. He's given all the tough assignments, spends a lot of time out there, and is usually paired with someone like Pardy, Ellerby, or Clitsome. Not exactly studs on D.

He does a lot of good stickwork along the blueline and on the boards. He does have an issue with people in front of the net, mind you.

Still, as inconsistent as he is, when he's playing good D he's a great 2 way dman, probably top 15 in that regard...when he's consistent.

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