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01-15-2014, 09:20 AM
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really? edmonton fans would do that? after the year perron is having...he's only 25 and his cap hit is less than gorges. and he's still signed for few more years.
Edmonton needs better d men and montreal needs people who can score done deal.

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01-15-2014, 09:26 AM
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So we get softer on the wing.. we trade away our 4th best D on a weak D core (not that I love Gorges) and trade away a pick that Timmins usually makes good on..

I am at a HUGE no.
Softer? Softer than who? Look at our wingers we have now..
At least we would add some much needed scoring.

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01-15-2014, 09:30 AM
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Softer? Softer than who? Look at our wingers we have now..
At least we would add some much needed scoring.
He's softer than Pacioretty, Gionta, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Bourque.

Perron doesn't address a need. Never has. He'll especially become more redundant since all our forward prospects are in the same mold.

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01-15-2014, 09:34 AM
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He's softer than Pacioretty, Gionta, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Bourque.

Perron doesn't address a need. Never has. He'll especially become more redundant since all our forward prospects are in the same mold.
Agree!

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01-15-2014, 09:39 AM
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He's softer than Pacioretty, Gionta, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Bourque.

Perron doesn't address a need. Never has. He'll especially become more redundant since all our forward prospects are in the same mold.
If you say so. I don't care if he throws a single hit or crashes the net, he's putting up more points than all of them and that's what we need. Bourque plays softer than baby ****, he's useless this year (and I always try to defend him).
Perron would be a huge upgrade to our top 6. I don't understand why you're worried about soft wingers when our team is full of them regardless.

Only wingers you listed I wouldn't want him to replace - Pac and Gallagher. Gio/Galchenyuk can play the 3rd line. Gio should be there anyways and if Galchenyuk outplays Perron than switch them up. Or should we just roll with Bournival and Briere (lol) and Moen in the top 6 because they're not as soft?

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01-15-2014, 09:46 AM
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So we get softer on the wing.. we trade away our 4th best D on a weak D core (not that I love Gorges) and trade away a pick that Timmins usually makes good on..

I am at a HUGE no.
Wow, just wow

Our "weak D core" is better than our ****** offense, espacially on the wing... if he wasn't Quebecer would you do that trade ?

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01-15-2014, 09:49 AM
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...so Eklund's back on the Habs-LA rumors from a few months ago...probably involving our favorite big red dog that was rumored to be on his way here a few times last year...and Bourque's a Sutter guy from his Calgary days...hmmmm:


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...at least we get rid of Bork and get some physical presence...thoughts?

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You have to take that deal and run.

This team needs more Big Red Dogs and less Swedish Chefs.

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...so Eklund's back on the Habs-LA rumors from a few months ago...probably involving our favorite big red dog that was rumored to be on his way here a few times last year...and Bourque's a Sutter guy from his Calgary days...hmmmm:


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...at least we get rid of Bork and get some physical presence...thoughts?

I'm sure the Habs would do that in a heartbeat but may have to eat 1-1.5 mil of Bourque's contract.

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01-15-2014, 09:59 AM
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Made this proposal on the main board and it seemed to go over okay:

To Montreal: David Perron

To Edmonton: Josh Gorges, 2014 Second Round Pick.
I wouldn't do it 1 for 1 let alone throw in a 2nd rounder...pass.

Don't need another one dimensional scorer.

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01-15-2014, 10:10 AM
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Wow, just wow

Our "weak D core" is better than our ****** offense, espacially on the wing... if he wasn't Quebecer would you do that trade ?
No.

His ethnicity has nothing to do with the fact that he would be a redundant piece.

The only way a trade for Perron would work is if we traded Gionta instead of Gorges and we were able to move Briere in a trade for someone like Simmonds.

Since neither of those things will happen, it is a moot point. Perron might be able to score goals and has a nice pair of hands, but he's small, he's ineffective on the boards and he isn't physical.

This trade does not address the fact that we are terrible along the boards and we just simply do not possess the puck enough to be effective offensively. There is zero retrieval on dump-in entries and there is zero retrieval of 50/50 puck battles along the wall in our defensive zone.

Why do we continually struggle against the Devils, Panthers, Kings and Blues? Because those teams are effective along the boards and they play a system that stops speed through the neutral zone.

Our team is disadvantaged because teams invite us to dump the puck in and Therrien encourages us to do it. They stack the blueline against us because they KNOW that 70-80% of the time, they will come up with the puck along the boards against our smaller team.

For all the criticism McCarron gets as a prospect, if he can get back to hitting, he'll be a welcome addition to the team because we do not have ANYONE who comes in with speed on the forecheck and is willing to brutalize the other team.

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01-15-2014, 10:22 AM
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It's a pointless trade. You're patching the poor scoring depth on the wing by creating a huge hole on the back end.

Gorges isn't an untouchable god but there's absolutely no one else on our D depth chart that can play his minutes and not cost us terribly.

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01-15-2014, 10:29 AM
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It's a pointless trade. You're patching the poor scoring depth on the wing by creating a huge hole on the back end.

Gorges isn't an untouchable god but there's absolutely no one else on our D depth chart that can play his minutes and not cost us terribly.
And it isn't even patching the poor scoring on the wing because it doesn't address the problem that we don't have puck retrieving forwards.

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Lol, people still think Perron is a good hockey player ? Oh RDS.

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Lol, people still think Perron is a good hockey player ? Oh RDS.
I'm not a huge Perron fan but I've been impressed with his play this season in Edmonton. He's been one of the Oilers' most consistent forwards and he's playing close to 20 minutes a game.

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the Habs-LA rumors from a few months ago...probably involving our favorite big red dog that was rumored to be on his way here a few times last year...and Bourque's a Sutter guy from his Calgary days...hmmmm:


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...at least we get rid of Bork and get some physical presence...thoughts?
Lombardi makes this deal, then Bergevin should package Plekanec, Clifford and Gionta to Edm. for Taylor Hall. Having Hall will free up Galchenyuk to center in place of Plekanec, and make room for De la Rose and Collberg to join the Habs next year. While giving Edm. solid veteran leadership for their team to emulate. If Collberg is not ready then sign UFA Gaborik RW as the winger with Galchenyuk Center & Hall LW.


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Lol, people still think Perron is a good hockey player ? Oh RDS.
I get that points don't tell the whole story, but you do need to score to win.

Perron - 45gp - 34 points. More than everyone on the Canadiens roster.

One dimensional scorer, yes, but at least he can actually do it.

Perron in our top 6 > Gionta(23 points,drop the elite defensive game bs)/Bourque(7 points!)/Briere/Bournival/MOEN. He's also putting up a lot more than Gallagher and Galchenyuk, but he wouldn't be replacing either of them..

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Oilers wouldn't do that deal. But I want Perron with the Habs.
Of course you do, he speaks french.

Just what the Habs need another SMALL top 9 player !!

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...so Eklund's back on the Habs-LA rumors from a few months ago...probably involving our favorite big red dog that was rumored to be on his way here a few times last year...and Bourque's a Sutter guy from his Calgary days...hmmmm:


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I would do that so fast, my goodness.

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I'm not a huge Perron fan but I've been impressed with his play this season in Edmonton. He's been one of the Oilers' most consistent forwards and he's playing close to 20 minutes a game.
Yeah, he's looked good pretty much ever time I've watched the Oilers play this season. He's Kovalev-lite. Maybe not the greatest intensity, but he creates scoring chances regularly. As for being soft, he's soft in the same way that Ryder is soft. I do agree that with a team that already has the likes of Brière and DD on it, it wouldn't be the greatest match, but he has skill and knows how to use it which trumps being tough and mean anytime in my eyes.

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I would do that so fast, my goodness.
So would I. Clifford addresses the need for more physical players that get in on the forecheck and get loose pucks.

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I get that points don't tell the whole story, but you do need to score to win.

Perron - 45gp - 34 points. More than everyone on the Canadiens roster.

One dimensional scorer, yes, but at least he can actually do it.

Perron in our top 6 > Gionta(23 points,drop the elite defensive game bs)/Bourque(7 points!)/Briere/Bournival/MOEN. He's also putting up a lot more than Gallagher and Galchenyuk, but he wouldn't be replacing either of them..
Again. Tell me who is getting the puck to Perron?

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So would I. Clifford addresses the need for more physical players that get in on the forecheck and get loose pucks.



Again. Tell me who is getting the puck to Perron?
Right now I believe it's the tough as nails, not even slightly soff, Ales Hemsky. Edmonton is just full of those tough guys who can bang in the corners and retrieve him the puck.. Big ol RNH at center.

Plekanec / Eller / Gallagher / Galchenyuk / will get him the puck just fine.


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I'm the last guy in the world who would want to pick up anyone based on their ethnicity... You'd only have to read my posts to know that but a guy like Perron could help. He's more physical than anyone else in our top 6.... He's a right handed shot, and he a consistent 20 goal scorer the last 3 full seasons.... Easily replaces Gionta's production when he leaves next year and allows the Habs to call up guys like Tinordi and Pateryn who should be ready.

Lineup would look like:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Perron
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Bournival - Plekanec - Bourque
Moen - White - Prust
Ex- Briere, Parros

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Pateryn
Tinordi - Diaz
Ex: Drewiske, Murray

Yes we would be weaker on Defense, but we would have two solid scoring lines, a shutdown line that could score a few, and a very solid fourth line with toughness.

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Lol, people still think Perron is a good hockey player ? Oh RDS.
I don't know what your talking about and I'm not a fan of the RDS crew either but Perron has probably been the Oilers most consistent forward all year. He is playing great

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Perron would be a great addition…

While size/toughness is a need up front, so is skill on the wings. After MaxPac/Gallagher, we have very minimal offensive ability on the wings (considering Galch as a C sooner than later).

Colberg, andrighetto, lehkonen, hudon, reway, bozon… all offensively dynamic but all at least 2-3 years away from cracking the NHL, let alone being able to be impact players for those that do make it.

I'd argue that an offensively dynamic top-6 winger is as much of a need as size/grit up front. Perron would fit that need perfectly, with 2 years left at a very good cap hit & the added benefit of the french canadian factor (which, while it should not be a big factor in deciding who to acquire, is a consideration for our franchise).


I'd be willing to move one of Emelin/Gorges in a move for Perron.

I see both as solid #4 guys, Emelin likely a bit more talented overall, but Gorges does bring the intangibles factor.

It would be plugging one hole by opening up another, but assuming we re-sign Markov, and keep one of the two, we'd have spots 1-2-4 locked in.
I'd argue that with or without moving one of Gorges/Emelin, we still need to target a solid #3 in the "defensive dman" role.

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