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01-15-2014, 11:03 AM
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What in his post do you not agree with? When you don't draft top end talent you have to get it through free agency when guys are 28/29. I don't see what's "shake head worthy" about that fact
"We cant draft" part is what I don't agree with. We are one of the better drafting teams going around for the past 7-8 years, You want a legit PPG star player you need to draft one in top-5 or get extremely lucky. We've done really well considering where we've been drafting.

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01-15-2014, 11:07 AM
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"We cant draft" part is what I don't agree with. We are one of the better drafting teams going around for the past 7-8 years, You want a legit PPG star player you need to draft one in top-5 or get extremely lucky. We've done really well considering where we've been drafting.
Of course. But this team has had plenty of top 5 picks in the not so distant past, and they've managed to **** up every single one. It's also possible to trade up in the draft to get one of those picks. We have done neither

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01-15-2014, 11:12 AM
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Of course. But this team has had plenty of top 5 picks in the not so distant past, and they've managed to **** up every single one. It's also possible to trade up in the draft to get one of those picks. We have done neither
Which team has traded up into top-5 in say last 10 years? It'd be a really small list.

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01-15-2014, 11:44 AM
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Which team has traded up into top-5 in say last 10 years? It'd be a really small list.
The McIlrath pick still boggles my mind. And I like Dylan. Just not the type of player you use a mid 1st round pick on

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01-15-2014, 11:45 AM
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The McIlrath pick still boggles my mind. And I like Dylan. Just not the type of player you use a mid 1st round pick on
Because players with that kind of size and ability are so easy to obtain in the mid rounds

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01-15-2014, 11:52 AM
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The McIlrath pick still boggles my mind. And I like Dylan. Just not the type of player you use a mid 1st round pick on
Like I said it'd be a really small list. Teams don't part with top-5 picks.

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01-15-2014, 11:57 AM
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Because players with that kind of size and ability are so easy to obtain in the mid rounds
Yep. Using 10th overall picks on guys whose claim to fame is to punch faces is a brilliant strategy. Fightings more important than winning, good thing we didn't pick Tarasenko or Fowler!

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Like I said it'd be a really small list. Teams don't part with top-5 picks.
Which is why we need to use free agency to get high end talent. A necessary evil

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01-15-2014, 12:10 PM
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Of course. But this team has had plenty of top 5 picks in the not so distant past, and they've managed to **** up every single one. It's also possible to trade up in the draft to get one of those picks. We have done neither
Blaming Gordie Clark for the **** ups from two regimes prior makes as much sense as blaming your Dad for something your Great Grandpa did. The decisions of a totally different scouting group around 2000 has no barring on the decisions that this current group makes a full 10-15 years later.

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Yep. Using 10th overall picks on guys whose claim to fame is to punch faces is a brilliant strategy. Fightings more important than winning, good thing we didn't pick Tarasenko or Fowler!
You're right. His skill set is terrible apart from the fighting.

Big defensemen are completely useless in the league.

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01-15-2014, 12:12 PM
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Blaming Gordie Clark for the **** ups from two regimes prior makes as much sense as blaming your Dad for something your Great Grandpa did. The decisions of a totally different scouting group around 2000 has no barring on the decisions that this current group makes a full 10-15 years later.
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Yep. Using 10th overall picks on guys whose claim to fame is to punch faces is a brilliant strategy. Fightings more important than winning, good thing we didn't pick Tarasenko or Fowler!



Which is why we need to use free agency to get high end talent. A necessary evil
Don't worry, I got gordie in there as well!

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01-15-2014, 12:14 PM
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You're right. His skill set is terrible apart from the fighting.

Big defensemen are completely useless in the league.
He's not a bad player. He's not a player you pick 10th overall either. Like I said. Fowler & Tarasenko my friend

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01-15-2014, 12:15 PM
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He's not a bad player. He's not a player you pick 10th overall either. Like I said. Fowler & Tarasenko my friend
Where do you propose you get a guy with his skill set then? Where in the draft?

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01-15-2014, 12:16 PM
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Yep. Using 10th overall picks on guys whose claim to fame is to punch faces is a brilliant strategy. Fightings more important than winning, good thing we didn't pick Tarasenko or Fowler!



Which is why we need to use free agency to get high end talent. A necessary evil
Here's where various Mock Drafts placed McIlrath:

Inside Hockey: 11th

Brad Holland: 7th

Pro Hockey Talk: 14th

Etc. I'm too lazy to do the leg work for you. Essentially, the point is that McIlrath was projected in the 7-15 range by a lot of guys, and supposedly the Stars were prepared to take him at 11 if the Rangers had skipped him. A lot easier to draft in hindsight, isn't it? He wasn't ranked that high because he just punches people.

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01-15-2014, 12:18 PM
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He's not a bad player. He's not a player you pick 10th overall either. Like I said. Fowler & Tarasenko my friend
If Dylan turns into top-4 D-man that clears the crease, roughs people up and chips in some offense he's worth a 10th overall pick. Don't guys don't grow on trees.

No reason why he cant turn into legit top-4.

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01-15-2014, 12:21 PM
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Here's where various Mock Drafts placed McIlrath:

Inside Hockey: 11th

Brad Holland: 7th

Pro Hockey Talk: 14th

Etc. I'm too lazy to do the leg work for you. Essentially, the point is that McIlrath was projected in the 7-15 range by a lot of guys, and supposedly the Stars were prepared to take him at 11 if the Rangers had skipped him. A lot easier to draft in hindsight, isn't it? He wasn't ranked that high because he just punches people.
One of those mocks had Fowler projected to go 3rd overall. I was waiting for Bettman to say "with the 10th overall pick, the NYR select Cam Fowler"

Fowler plays the same position and has been contributing at the NHL level since 2010

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01-15-2014, 12:22 PM
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Is it possible to buy out Richards and sign him on a more friendly deal...or is that completely otherworldly on both parties accounts?
This is also what I wanted to see. Too bad, as another poster pointed out, it's not possible. :-(

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One of those mocks had Fowler projected to go 3rd overall. I was waiting for Bettman to say "with the 10th overall pick, the NYR select Cam Fowler"

Fowler plays the same position and has been contributing at the NHL level since 2010
And a lot of people were stunned that Angelo Esposito dropped to the Penguins and that Kirrill Kabanov plummeted to the 3rd round. Again, a lot easier to draft with 3+ years of hindsight.

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Your expectations have been lowered. In his season last year where everyone wanted his head on a stake, he had 34 points in 46 games. This year, he has 35 in 48.

His PP TOI a game has gone up as well.
Right, but his numbers last year were inflated by 1 good month (and some lucky bounces..remember the hattrick?). In the first 32 games he had a total of 18 points. He scored 16 points in 14 games in April and then followed that up by scoring 1 point in 10 playoff games.

Doesn't matter as he still needs to be bought out, but it's an improvement, even though the overall numbers are the same.

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01-15-2014, 12:30 PM
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One of those mocks had Fowler projected to go 3rd overall. I was waiting for Bettman to say "with the 10th overall pick, the NYR select Cam Fowler"

Fowler plays the same position and has been contributing at the NHL level since 2010
Fowler plays on the left. He would have been on the 3rd pairing as he is not better than staal or McD.

So... No. He doesn't play the same position

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Another veteran whose job may be on the line, according to Strange, is New York Rangers forward Brad Richards. Strange said despite the price tag - six years left after this season at $6.67 million per year - the Rangers will decide Richards future based on how many "good years" they believe he has left.

Richards will be 40 when his contract expires.
Job on the line? Confused as to what this exactly means. If someone is silly enough to trade for him, by all means, please Glen jump on that. If its just about a buy-out then its a pretty obvious statement no?

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01-15-2014, 02:31 PM
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Job on the line? Confused as to what this exactly means. If someone is silly enough to trade for him, by all means, please Glen jump on that. If its just about a buy-out then its a pretty obvious statement no?
i dunno, trading him has severe cap implications...i think the rangers are farrrr more likely to buy him out. unless somehow you can get a grade a prospect in return.

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01-15-2014, 02:35 PM
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Job on the line? Confused as to what this exactly means. If someone is silly enough to trade for him, by all means, please Glen jump on that. If its just about a buy-out then its a pretty obvious statement no?
Am I having a ****ing seizure, or did a Jimmy Fallon skit get linked as a Katie Strang article? I'm so confused.

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01-15-2014, 03:04 PM
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The wonderful case of Brad Richards. He's quietly putting together a decent year, albeit not fantastic. Creeping his way towards "acceptable" in terms of his stats/cap hit. I'm surprised it hasn't come up more often, but what do we do with his cap space assuming he's bought out? We can't trade him; is there any chance Glen hangs onto him?

For me, I buy him out all day long and make a major pitch for Stastny/Grabovski/Thornton. Stastny seems to be the most likely guy at this point as it doesn't look too promising that the latter 2 guys are going anywhere
That's the thing. In 2013-2014, his cap hit is FAIR for what he brings to the table.

11-12 - 2nd on team in points (66PTS in 82GP)
12-13 - 3rd on team in points (34PTS in 46GP)
13-14 - 1st on team in points (35PTS in 48GP)

He was also our best forward and most consistent forward for us in the 11-12 post season where we went to the Conference Finals. Could not have gotten there without him.

This is a WORSE team without Brad Richards. Did he initially live up to his contract? Absolutely not. Did he miss expectations as wildly as some people on here assume? Absolutely not.

He has 135PTS in 176GP. That is a 63 point pace pro rated at an 82 game season. He has produced at a 60+ point pace every season as a Ranger.

For $6.6 million, you can do much worse, and with how shallow our team is down the middle, you cannot let go of Richards unless you have an improvement that IS going to sign with you. You can't buy him out, and hope you land someone. Otherwise, there is a big void to be filled.

With the kind of contracts you saw signed recently (e.g. Clarkson), albeit under different conditions, Richards is currently a fair contract. Will his contract be good when he is 38, 39? No. But you can't buy out a player if he has another three or four good years left in him, and honestly, I think he will be a routine 60 point getter for us in the foreseeable future. His resume he proves it thus far.

People on here aren't looking at it objectively. It's just "Brad RICHARDS? GARBAGE. Buy that bum out!"

That BUM is a big reason we've been in the playoffs the last couple of seasons.

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You people saying that we need him for the point on PP, do you see what i see? He doesnt make any important/beautiful passes, its the other players like MZA and Brass doing those. He's just moving the puck from side to side.
Brichards isnt important on the PP, neither on the team at all. I wouldnt mind seeing Brad getting scratched and Miller getting ice-time. And with the cap, Brad's just in the way atm.

And for people talking about his points and stuff - i cant remember the last time i witnessed anyone getting as much "free" assist as Brad has gotten this year.
The stats are misleading, he's lacking alot of effort, looks lazy and doesnt move his feet much. He's over the top by far. Get rid of him, try get something (anything) in a trade, or buy him out.

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Despite his perceived play, Richards is still our leading scorer and would likely need to commit a felony level offense in order to be scratched.

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