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How do you feel about this team's drafting?

View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Rangers' drafting?
Love it. They made the best choices with what they had. 2 2.08%
Like it. Could've made some better choices but I'm overall pleased. 51 53.13%
Meh. They've made some good choices, but some bad ones also. 32 33.33%
Dislike it. I don't agree with a lot of decisions they've made, and it's hurt the team. 6 6.25%
Hate it. Our drafting has been bad, and I don't trust Gordie Clark to make good decisions. 5 5.21%
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01-16-2014, 02:41 PM
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Thats a nice headline, but I believe Cherepanov was a couple years older when he broke those records. Tragic what happened to that kid, but truth be told he would've never been able to play NHL hockey with his condition anyway.
He was about 2 and a half months older than Bure.

That said, Chere was not Bure or Ovie.

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Maybe some teams did their homework on it. Maybe some were scared off by the transfer agreement. Fact is it was the Rangers that picked him, and not until #17.

I feel bad for what happened to such a young guy, but I dont view it as another Oh-woah-is-me Ranger stroke of bad luck.
Are you really postulating that there might be teams in the NHL that had even the slightest idea he had a heart condition? And that teams not only kept it a secret but that it has managed to never leak out after his death?

If so, it might be the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.

And for once I am not using hyperbole.

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01-16-2014, 02:41 PM
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And they still have Vasilevisky, Koekkoek, Drouin, Namestnikov, Gusev, and Erne on the way. Jesus christ.

It's no wonder they have such a dedicated fanbase in a place like Tampa. They have an owner who cares about winning, and his fans. A GM who knows a damn thing about hockey, scouting that is the envy of the world, and a very, very good team coming up. Even when they're sucking there's still hope because they have class management.

Smart FA signings (Carle, Filppula), smart drafting, AND good management? Where the HELL do I sign?
They follow the same plan their friends down the road in Tropicana Field use

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01-16-2014, 03:12 PM
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Are you really postulating that there might be teams in the NHL that had even the slightest idea he had a heart condition? And that teams not only kept it a secret but that it has managed to never leak out after his death?

If so, it might be the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.

And for once I am not using hyperbole.
Yeah, that's a doozie. Eesh.

We've been getting decent return considering that we've been a net seller of picks and we've (generally) picked low. It would be nice to have a star from somewhere, it would be nice to have another contributor or two out of the very late rounds, we probably tried to get "too cute" with the McIlrath pick but it's been alright. A thread on the main boards showed me just how many teams have their own Kyle Beaches, it's easy for armchair GMs to get sucked into the idea of the draft as a cure-all (I know I do sometimes).

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01-16-2014, 03:20 PM
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I'd say it's been average, we are pretty constantly adding a NHLer or two. The lack of top end talent and to get guys who can at least end up being cheap 4th liners is annoying.

As others have mentioned, with the amount of $$ the Rangers have compared to other teams, our drafting and scouting should be first rate and the envy of the league.They didn't cap hockey operations spending when the Cap was introduced and so we should have been able to use that to our advantage, sadly it doesn't seem to have happened

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01-16-2014, 03:47 PM
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Let's not forget 2001.
2001 wasn't bad.

When you can get two players that have played in 660+ games since that draft, you have can call that a solid draft.

Tyutin and Zidlicky have been been top 4 defenceman which is a pretty solid draft.

in the 03 draft we had one player surpass 200 games (Dawes) and in 05 after Staal, one player pass the 200 game plateau (Tom Pyatt)

by that 06 AND 07 were pretty bad as well, in 06 the 1st was atrocious as Giroux and Patrick Berglund were selected after we took the itilian kid and in 07, which could have been a solid draft, aside from Cherry we got Hagelin, aside from Hags we got nuttin.

So. in draft years 2001 thru 2007 (seven actual drafts) we have 9 NHL regulars. 8 of which are still playing today.

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01-16-2014, 03:57 PM
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I guess that can be plausible, if there is such a conflict of interest. Although I would think Edm's incoming GM would be going with his own people's recommendations and draft board instead of Sather's.

I don't know one way or the other, but god that would be such a bizarre thing for a new GM that was just previously a GM to not assert himself into a losing franchise immediately at a time as critical as the entry draft. Maybe if he was away from the game for a few yearsm or even a year I could see it, but I'd honestly be shocked if Lundqvist is some hold over recommednation from Neil freaking Smith's people.
Not me.

Not shocked at the thought or possibility at all.

All of Neil Smiths Scounting team remains in tact from the date Sather was hired through the summer. I'm sure that Sather may have had some input to the higher profile 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks, but late rounders, I have no doubt in my mind that Sather had no input there at all.

And all we got from Sather's input is Dominic Moore.

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01-16-2014, 04:03 PM
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Thought Christer Rockstrom was the Rangers Swedish scout who was entirely responsible for selecting Lindquist. His career spanned Smith and Sather. He also missed on Zberg and Franken...

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Effing autocorrect..Franzen

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why not?

and Lundqvist was in response to the diamond in the rough statement. Now you're shifting the goal-posts.
Did you even read the OP?

Sather didn't draft Lundqvist, how can you attribute the pick to him or his scouts? Since Sather has been "the man" they have not drafted one diamond in the rough. None. Zero. Lundqvist was drafted prior to his staff being implemented. He does not qualify for this discussion.

This isn't about the drafting as franchise which is difficult to compare since it would have been done under different regimes and in different eras. We're talking about the recent past until now.

Edit: Also, if you're trying to argue Sather pre-scouted before getting hired as GM, or was working with Rangers scouts before coming here, who is moving goalposts now?

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It's just been ok.

They've made alright picks from where they were selecting, but there are a couple of picks that made me scratch my head.

Examples:

Preferred Carlson to Del Zotto in 2008. DZ went 20th, Carlson went 24th.

We've all been over the McIlrath pick. Wanted Tarasenko, half this board wanted Tarasenko. McIlrath is going to be good for us, but they ****ed up big time. This was so obviously an organizational need pick rather than a BPA pick. You always go BPA. Tarasenko was a top 5 talent that year and dropped all the way to 16th. Good on St. Louis.

Most recently, the Tambellini pick this past season left me scratching my head. Would have preferred Hayden, Fasching, or Lipon in his spot. Liked the Buchnevich pick, eating crow big time on Duclair.

Miller was a good pick in his spot, but wanted Armia. Looking like a wash now.

Kreider was an excellent pick. Loved it at the time, and we're starting to see the dividends of the risk.

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01-16-2014, 04:16 PM
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He was about 2 and a half months older than Bure.

That said, Chere was not Bure or Ovie.



Are you really postulating that there might be teams in the NHL that had even the slightest idea he had a heart condition? And that teams not only kept it a secret but that it has managed to never leak out after his death?

If so, it might be the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.

And for once I am not using hyperbole.
I was talking more about him blood doping, than having a heart condition.

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01-16-2014, 04:26 PM
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We've all been over the McIlrath pick. Wanted Tarasenko, half this board wanted Tarasenko. McIlrath is going to be good for us, but they ****ed up big time. This was so obviously an organizational need pick rather than a BPA pick. You always go BPA. Tarasenko was a top 5 talent that year and dropped all the way to 16th. Good on St. Louis.


Tarasenko with Kreider would look really good right now.

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I'm not putting in a vote, because in my opinion, drafting is more about luck than it is about anything else, including talent assessment.

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drafting kids outside the top 10 is a total crap shoot.

too much emphasis on character and good interviews gets you great people and so-so players.

too much focus on "safe" picks who "will play professionally somewhere some day" gets you average 3rd liner types.

and if you fall in love with a player, you end up with tunnel vision and thats just not sound draft practice.

BPA. thats always the best way to go. you take the best overall hockey player whos still on the board when you come up. no matter what nationality he might be. you draft him.

if you do that everytime, you have a solid 50/50 chance of success.

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Voted meh.

Built some decent depth from the system, but we've drafted exactly 1 elite player since the Zubov/Kovalev/Amonte crop. That was over 20 years ago.

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It's been solid but not great. Good at making safe picks on safe players. No home runs. I'll never be able to say we draft better than average with the McI pick. I don't care if he becomes the meanest #6 in the league he was never a first round pick at any time.

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Like it. Callahan. Staal. Del Zotto. Stepan. Hagelin to name a few. Can't be mad at that. Kreider is turning into an absolute beast. I have to say, I didn't see him ever playing like this. He is creeping up there on the list of untouchables behind Lundqvist and McDonagh who are without a doubt 1A and 1B.

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It's been good, but certainly not great.

I'm sure McIlrath will be a fine defenseman, but this team could really use of the talents of a guy like Tarasenko.

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Rangers are about 20-25th in the NHL in drafting since the first lockout, and the prospect pool right now is bottom-five.

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This is what you can get in the draft outside the top 10:

Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
P.A. Parenteau
Matt Cullen
Patrice Bergeron
David Krejci
Jason Pominville
Derek Roy
Erik Cole
Paul Stastny
Alex Tanguay
Milan Hejduk
Brenden Morrow
James Neal
Jamie Benn
Loui Eriksson
Pavel Datsyuk
Henrik Zetterberg
Ales Hemsky
Jordan Eberle
Shawn Horcoff
Anze Kopitar
Mike Cammalleri
Mike Ribeiro
Tomas Plekanec
Max Pacioretty
Scott Gomez
Zach Parise
Brian Gionta
Brendan Morrison
Martin Erat
Marian Hossa
Martin Havlat
Simon Gagne
Claude Giroux
Justin Williams
Jeff Carter
Mike Richards
Patrick Sharp
Daniel Briere
Matt Moulson
Joe Pavelski
Jonathan Cheechoo
Ryane Clowe
T.J. Oshie
Brad Richards
Brad Boyes
Alexander Semin

They all have something else in common: a better career PPG than Stepan.

22 teams managed to find at least one forward outside the top 10 with a better PPG than Stepan. Anaheim drafted 4 of these guys. Colorado 3. Dallas 3. Montreal 3. San Jose 3. New Jersey 4. Philadelphia 6! Lucky teams, right?


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On Sauer, did he have concussion issues while in juniors?
Hip injury his draft year, only played 32 games. Missed a good amount of games 2 of his first 3 pro seasons with various injuries.

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They said Cherepanov was supposed to be better than ovi... damn
He was a 4 star prospect but no one knows what could have been.

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drafting kids outside the top 10 is a total crap shoot.

too much emphasis on character and good interviews gets you great people and so-so players.

too much focus on "safe" picks who "will play professionally somewhere some day" gets you average 3rd liner types.

and if you fall in love with a player, you end up with tunnel vision and thats just not sound draft practice.

BPA. thats always the best way to go. you take the best overall hockey player whos still on the board when you come up. no matter what nationality he might be. you draft him.

if you do that everytime, you have a solid 50/50 chance of success.
'Total' crap shoot? Come on, even the top ten can be argued as a crap shoot, especially if the Icelanders are picking top ten

And yes, best player available is the way to go. Give me a guy who has shown at some level that he is willing and able to best his competition with regularity. Getting the job done trumps individual 'attributes'.

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