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01-18-2014, 12:52 PM
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The lock stock bought Oilers media keep proclaiming there would be little difference with a Coach Q or Bowman. The team is inherently lazy, small, suffering from injuries and inexperienced.

The problem is they cannot prove this. Boudreau, Maurice, Crawford, Tortorella or anyone else that has won more than 1 game in their NHL coaching career were not considered for this job.

Look at Ted Nolan. Worst team in the league right now...a real transition year. People in Buffalo are not hating on Nolan he is doing his best to change the culture in that room. Except for Hasek he was a coach loved by his players and the fans.

Dallas Eakins you sir are no Ted Nolan.

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It may be financial as well. I heard Krueger had a 3 year contract, so they are still paying him for one more year after this.

If MacT fires Eakins, and hires a replacement, Katz will have 3 head coaches on the payroll at one time draining his bankroll. Pretty much an open and shut case of incompetent management if that situation arises.

The optics of this are not good for MacT. In fact, he pretty much bet the farm on Eakins, for some odd reason. The guy can't coach at the NHL level, and I've never been impressed by him from the moment I first listened to him when it was announced he was hired. Total blowhard.

Hard to imagine how MacT was so impressed by him during the interview. Hard to imagine how he remains so enthralled by him to this day.

"I couldn't be happier with the coaching" - MacT
It sure speaks volumes about the competence of the GM when he screws up the most important decision he's had to make since he was hired as badly as he did. It doesn't matter what player moves he makes if the man that he's trusted to enact his vision can't do anything with them. To stick with him for the sake of optics is the bigger mistake. I respect the man who can admit a mistake and then correct it and learn from it. A man who can't do this is a waste of time.

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01-18-2014, 02:01 PM
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Kruger was not perfect but he brought a team that was falling apart as a result of terrible management back to life a couple of times last season. The team sagged every time they lost a center through injury and management refused to do anything, but Kruger got them to hang tough and regain belief in their ability to compete. But watching useful players go by the waiver wire and doing nothing at the trade deadline when they we actually in the playoffs was the last straw, it was obvious that management wanted them to fail so that Tambo could be axed and an old boy hired in his place. A much poorer team went to war for Kruger and then watched him get stabbed in the back over the summer by Lowe and MacT. Anyone surprised that most of the players can't stand the whole situation and Kruger's replacement? This season is pure karma for Lowe and MacT and stems from their betrayal of the team last year. Think it's bad now? Just wait till Hall asks for a trade this summer. Ladies and gentlemen...............your Atlanta Thrashers.
Good post. The players went out of their way to say they supported Krueger when they were struggling (they said the same things about Renney too). I've never heard any of those types of comments from the players about Eakins.

I've stated many times in the past that to me the most frustrating part of how this organization operates is how quickly and willing they are every year to give up on the season and wait for next year. No other team in the league operates this way. As frustrating as it is for a fan, I can't imagine how demoralizing it is for the players. It isn't just the fans that have been given empty promises, the players have too, wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to make a statement.

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01-18-2014, 02:06 PM
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Its really hard to say because so much is affecting them being as you say lazy. When we had Renney as coach that was 2 years ago. They would seemingly have progressed since then because he was bringing them along slowly, sheltering them in games. Would it have made a difference if he remained as coach, nobody knows.

Also, the laziness you refer to I feel a good portion is part of the loser mentality. They have given up, atleast somewhere in the back of their mind and that is why you see them play lazy.

If Scotty Bowman was our coach and he couldn't motivate our players, or implement a system so that we would be successful, I would trust him because he has pedigree. We just supposed to believe whatever Eakins tells us? Must be the players they just don't get it.
I think it really does come back to all the coach firings. Renney was fired in large part because he was sheltering the kids, benching them if they made mistakes and treating them like rookies who needed to earn their place. So they fired him and hired Kreuger in large part because the players liked him and the kids all of a sudden got free reign. Told it's their team go score goals. Now the GM is fired and a new one comes in and sees that they need more structure but the kids haven't ever had that kind of accountability before. Why bust your ass for the new coach who is expecting you to focus on things other than scoring when management has shown in the past the star players are untouchable and above reproach. They made the stars untouchable and they believe it so there is no motivation for them to try and buy in. Their coach was fired and the new guy doesn't want them on the highlight reels all the time. I think you have to keep Eakins just to show that the days of it all being the coaches fault are over even if he isn't the answer at coach. Maybe you need to trade one of the gang as well just to say to the players that yes they have to shoulder a lot of these issues themselves.

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01-18-2014, 02:10 PM
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Kruger was not perfect but he brought a team that was falling apart as a result of terrible management back to life a couple of times last season. The team sagged every time they lost a center through injury and management refused to do anything, but Kruger got them to hang tough and regain belief in their ability to compete. But watching useful players go by the waiver wire and doing nothing at the trade deadline when they we actually in the playoffs was the last straw, it was obvious that management wanted them to fail so that Tambo could be axed and an old boy hired in his place. A much poorer team went to war for Kruger and then watched him get stabbed in the back over the summer by Lowe and MacT. Anyone surprised that most of the players can't stand the whole situation and Kruger's replacement? This season is pure karma for Lowe and MacT and stems from their betrayal of the team last year. Think it's bad now? Just wait till Hall asks for a trade this summer. Ladies and gentlemen...............your Atlanta Thrashers.
Krueger wasn't great imo, but without a training camp I think he did pretty decent as a rookie coach. Special teams were stellar, we actually had some decent runs and a push for the playoffs at one point. Have we had any runs this year? I'd rather have Krueger than Eakins, but I'd rather have an experienced NHL coach than either rookie.

If Hall or any of these guys requests a trade I think I'll be done being an Oilers fan. I've been thinking about it this season.. if any of these #1 overall picks jumps ship I'll be done too. We've put up with so much garbage as fans, that will be my final straw. I really hope it doesn't come to that, but I won't blame these guys for wanting out. I love the Oilers and I would want out if I were in their position, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

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01-18-2014, 02:32 PM
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What if this bold hire doesn't work? I really think MacT didn't even consider that.
I actually laughed when I read this because I don't think there's any doubt about it. For all the moves the guys at the top of this organization make that don't work out, most of them, they still believe they're smarter than everybody else is and never seem to have a back up plan in place. It's inconceivable to them that they could ever be wrong. I guess that's why they're so quick to stand pat and write seasons off the way they do.

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So basically after today Winnipeg is 5 and 0 since bringing in Maurice?

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So basically after today Winnipeg is 5 and 0 since bringing in Maurice?
Noticed your avatar. What the ****was Eakins doing on the bench? Seal impersonations. His hands were flapping like crazy.Lol. Maybe he was doing a quick audition to become our new mascot.

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We hired a GM without conducting a hiring search of any kind...

That GM went and hired a coach without conducting a hiring search of any kind...

This franchise is just one eyeroll-inducing joke after another

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I just listened to the Eakins interview post game Jets. I couldn't get past the midway point of the ********.
He is a deer in the headlights.

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We have now 9 short handed GA. Another one today while we got outplayed on both PP's in 3rd and were just disgustingly disorganized on the PP. Does anybody even recognize a competent breakout on our PP? Does anybody even see anything resembling puck support on the PP. For crying out loud we're getting outmanned consistently in pressure areas on the PP. With surprisingly little pass options.

Special teams are a direct result of coaching, direct, on this basis alone Eakins is responsible for the absolute gongshow this club is on the ice.

Did I say the PP is disgustingly bad? With this degree of talent? Its incomprehensible.

We probably got outshot on our PP today. We absolutely got outchanced during it. Think about that.

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We lost Horcoff on the PP and suddenly nobody goes to the front of the net. Coincidence?

I said it last year that Horcoff was a nice catalyst on the PP.

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We lost Horcoff on the PP and suddenly nobody goes to the front of the net. Coincidence?

I said it last year that Horcoff was a nice catalyst on the PP.
The Oilers spend more time chasing the opposing team around their own zone on their powerplays.

Horcoff was a catalyst for nothing, and having him in front of the net wouldn't impact much of anything at this point.

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We hired a GM without conducting a hiring search of any kind...

That GM went and hired a coach without conducting a hiring search of any kind...

This franchise is just one eyeroll-inducing joke after another
The owner hired his old Edmonton it-buddy from the 80-90s as the President of Hockey.

The Pres hired his old buddy with whom he has an old agreement to hire each other to a position as HC/GM if given the chance.

The GM hire his soulmate after one perfect date.

The assistant coaches are old buddies to the owner and or the pres/GM.

And so on.

That my friend is how you hire competent staff for a multimillion dollar franchise in an industry that demand results.

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The Oilers spend more time chasing the opposing team around their own zone on their powerplays.

Horcoff was a catalyst for nothing, and having him in front of the net wouldn't impact much of anything at this point.
So having nobody in front of the net is clearly better, right?

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So having nobody in front of the net is clearly better, right?
What good does that do when they can't even set up and spend the majority of the powerplay chasing the other team?

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Eakins's defensive system must suck big time ! Even veterans doesnt know where they should be... When you have to think on the ice where you should be that is what it looks like

Winnipegs second goal is PERFECT example. Perron chases Scheifele but he turns towards Dman near the boards (goes to take his own man. I would prefer that Perron crushes Scheifele and Petry takes the puck. But I guess thats not what Eakins wants his players to do), then "our best defenseman"(Petry) gets outmuscled by a rookie. After that Scheifele heads TO THE NET, Marincin (only EDM rookie involved in play) goes to one knee and blocks passlane to Wheeler who is BEHIND the net. Gordon (defensive zone specialist) looks like chicken without head, spinsaround looking like he doesnt know who is his man and lets Scheifele walk right in front of Bryz and score. There is three (3!!!) veterans involved in that play.

And there is these kinds of mistakes EVERY SINGLE GAME, almost every single shift.

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I listened to what Button had to say the other day, and he brought up some excellent points. I was a supporter of Eakins at the beginning, but what I think of him is quickly being changed by some of the bone-headed things he does. In the organization's eyes he probably has until at least the 10-20 game mark next season to show he's improved from last season or he's gone IMO.

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I just listened to the Eakins interview post game Jets. I couldn't get past the midway point of the ********.
He is a deer in the headlights.
I'm sorry I missed it. I would of loved to hear how how he explains a loss where he doesn't have Yakupov to blame for it.

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The owner hired his old Edmonton it-buddy from the 80-90s as the President of Hockey.

The Pres hired his old buddy with whom he has an old agreement to hire each other to a position as HC/GM if given the chance.

The GM hire his soulmate after one perfect date.

The assistant coaches are old buddies to the owner and or the pres/GM.

And so on.

That my friend is how you hire competent staff for a multimillion dollar franchise in an industry that demand results.
I would have posted exactly that except I can't be bothered to even dredge up the whole mess anymore.

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Another comment on OIlers PP.

Last year Oilers were 8th in league in PP% which is about where it should be considering the skill we can put out there on PP units. If we should be good at one thing its the PP.

This year the Oil are 19th.

I'll also note last year the Oil only gave up one Shorty all year last season. This year 9.

Finally the median for shorthanded goals allowed is 3.

Now I'll add that Eakins has the benefit of David Perron, our leading PP goal scorer with 7 and yet Krueger still ran a better PP.

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Kruger was not perfect but he brought a team that was falling apart as a result of terrible management back to life a couple of times last season. The team sagged every time they lost a center through injury and management refused to do anything, but Kruger got them to hang tough and regain belief in their ability to compete. But watching useful players go by the waiver wire and doing nothing at the trade deadline when they we actually in the playoffs was the last straw, it was obvious that management wanted them to fail so that Tambo could be axed and an old boy hired in his place. A much poorer team went to war for Kruger and then watched him get stabbed in the back over the summer by Lowe and MacT. Anyone surprised that most of the players can't stand the whole situation and Kruger's replacement? This season is pure karma for Lowe and MacT and stems from their betrayal of the team last year. Think it's bad now? Just wait till Hall asks for a trade this summer. Ladies and gentlemen...............your Atlanta Thrashers.
Absolutely. In all seriousness guys. I haven't been out here but a year but how do people feel about this ownership?? It's apparent that Lowe and MacT are so far in over their heads it's almost laughable. Does anyone see ownership canning these two and bringing in actual hockey brains??

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We don't have to discuss him.

His record speaks for itself and his coaching ability.

Worst in shorthanded goals, drop in PP, drop in PP and goals against. I'd say that pretty much sums up the fact he hasn't got a god dam clue what he's doing and his sidekicks are as bad.

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oops, meant PK as well.

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I was not against the....................???

I was not against the hire of Eakins............but I have to agree with the majority......... the team is playing like a bunch of novices (seven year olds)......all they do is chase the puck and have no defensive position whatever!

I cannot blame the Oilers goaltending on today's game.......the Jets had point blank chances in front of the net minder. Where was the defense?

MacT big bold move will be if he has the guts to fire Eakins next year if the team does not show a big improvement!

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