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01-10-2014, 12:40 AM
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It bothers me to keep hearing Vityaz moving and whatnot... because I hear that from nowhere but here. I mean, I'd like it, but I don't see/hear that from anywhere.





Well, the thing is that I am not sure that Medvescak is a long term member of the KHL. I mean, hey, they are very cool right now, but are they really a long term thing?

My favorite thing about them is that they are perhaps a good comparison of say a team AHL vs the KHL. Though I suspect that there will not be such a need for this in the future...


The other question that pops up is will russian funding be around forever? The former yugoslavia is poor compared to western europe... I don't think that they have the financial means, without russian funding. One more thing that I wonder is their attendance... sure it's good now, but can they sell out an entire season in the big arena? Do people in Zagreb have that much spending power? Now, they probably don't have that spending power in many Russian places, but still, that crosses my mind.
Well they are not AHL comparison, not really, most players are above AHL standrads and alot of them were brought from EU leagues, or are not from NA. I think this is less of comparison and more of a simple NA - Russian rivalry thing.
As for the longevity of quality i really doubt it will drop for simple reason Med are really good with managers and agents, and this year they did show they can be competitive and pay on time and even bring players "to life" uping their price (Carle comes to mind). Basically they chose a good coach. This will make Med be more attractive to NA players than it was at the beginning of the season (plus the western lifestyle is a big bonus).

Ah now you brought up 2 good questions that need to be answered. What will be with financing of Med and will the Arena be filled. As for financing it is not even known how much are Russian sponsors helping. It was said the budget needs to be 10mil Euro. Med needed to find at lest half or more and Russian sponsors will cover the rest. How much they found is unknown. In the meanwhile a Austrian-russian casino sponsor came in on top of this budget with an unknown amount (not a Medvedev sponsor). Also question is if Sberbanka, which is makeing its expansion in Croatia big time is also in the Medvedev sponsor package or is it /will it be a local sponsor. Mind you by local i dont mean only croatian sponsors. And also question is how strong the ties are between Medvedev and Med management. his is the big question i cant answer. I know Med management is resourceful so that is sure to help. It will also be connected to 2 things, economic recovery of Croatia, the region and surrounding EU countries, and how Med will do business (buying cheap and selling players under contract to russian clubs as an example ). But this we will see in 3 years.

As for Arena... well in the 8 games like this it will be filled very well. 90%+ for sure. But will it be able to be filled like DS noone can really know. Arena is an event and people come from all over Croatia to be there and see it. I personally think it wouldnt drop bellow 80% if games were only there (12k average). It is definitively alot of room to fill, but again it wount be as dense game calendar as it is now or this profile (how many away games in a row how many home games in a row) after this year so people could "rest up". The price is no problem 50 kn is not that huge an amount. Its like slightly bellow 10$ that part is no problem.

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01-10-2014, 05:57 AM
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01-10-2014, 06:09 AM
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And this seems like the new house for Yugra
I see nothing!

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I see nothing!
Do you think Yugra would survive if Rubin gets into the league?

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You can always check Black Dolphin prison...

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I liked Kanoniri...
YEEY loll so its settled

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You can always check Black Dolphin prison...
Lmao now that WOULD be the right successor to Vytjaz tradition lmao And the jearsy could be the striped black and white prison getup lol (grey modern or orange jumpsuites dont look so fun hehe)

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Do you think Yugra would survive if Rubin gets into the league?
It's not up to me to decide Its population already reached 90K it was 50K less than 10 years ago, maybe in another 5 years it will be a much bigger city than what it is now

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01-11-2014, 08:48 AM
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Can you guys please keep the conversation to arenas and not clog the thread up with relocation/expansion.

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Barys-Arena, Astana. 12000 seats. January 2014.






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Kalmius Arena, Donetsk. 12800 seats. January 2014.




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When are the estimated completion dates? They will probably be hosting all star games in the future.

Though I wish Alma-ata would be the city that gets the big 12000 kazakh arena. :/

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01-16-2014, 11:39 AM
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Astana deserves finally big arena, their current one is **** and small.

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01-16-2014, 01:42 PM
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Probably both teams will play their first games on their new arenas in the 2015-2016 season. In the best case scenario Barys could finish their 2014-2015 season in Barys-Arena.

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Believe me, when I say it's for the best that Kazakh do not rush this project.

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A honest answer is yes i do and ill tell you why. Medvescak has in general always been the underdog for anything, entering the EBEL, with the lowest budget gaining recognition in the league, and than getting into KHL, all in a span of 4 years. This is mostly due to the industriousness and positivity of the capable management. They are very good at makeing connections aswell. And also the fact that they found a niche where the club become interesting (NA player/style). That niche i think is something KHL would want to preserve. Also the club keeps growing and trying to be better. (and there are lots of things to improve still and create)
I mean the hindrance is more here in the Arena. It will need an investment to make a permanent ice but in the end it is in the interest of the club and the Arena to do it. One will have a home up to future KHL specs and the other a booked Arena and still be able to do all the things they usually do, concerts conferences, what ever. It will happen im pretty sure. Money will be found because it would be a long term solution for both.
As for DS, money that is going to be invested will be probably spread out to all the sport arenas in it, not just arena 1 where hockey is played. also most probably outside will be renovated and all the major hallways. Its not supposed to bring DS up to KHL future specs (it satisfies current specs as it was approved), but it will make the whole thing better.
The thing is the exact details of the renovation/reconstruction is unknown still. These are only logical assumptions.

I also want to point out they have a pretty decent NA following. Definitely the most popular KHL team on this side across the ocean. I hope they figure out Arena Zagreb.

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01-19-2014, 02:43 AM
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well there is a sort of un update on investment into DS. Its up to 550mil kunas, 71 mil euro but most of it will go into building new additions (new sports hall , new athletic sports hall, underground garage) and reconstruction of the square and the major reconstruction of the swimming pool in the complex (the building is physically separated from DS though). But DS will also be renovated, and get a major facelift, i mean the outside and the hallways. What will be done in the existing arenas in it (including arena 1 where Medvescak plays) wasnt said. I think it will be more along of getting facelifts, updating equipment and technical repairs/updates than some actual reconstructions.
Still it will be much better than it was visually. how it will change inside , well we well see.

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well there is a sort of un update on investment into DS. Its up to 550mil kunas, 71 mil euro but most of it will go into building new additions (new sports hall , new athletic sports hall, underground garage) and reconstruction of the square and the major reconstruction of the swimming pool in the complex (the building is physically separated from DS though). But DS will also be renovated, and get a major facelift, i mean the outside and the hallways. What will be done in the existing arenas in it (including arena 1 where Medvescak plays) wasnt said. I think it will be more along of getting facelifts, updating equipment and technical repairs/updates than some actual reconstructions.
Still it will be much better than it was visually. how it will change inside , well we well see.
But alas it will be far from KHL standards. Hence too bad. Face it...

...Arena Zagreb as the home arena in a few years or as they say... ćao!

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01-22-2014, 03:16 AM
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Actually can u post a link from an official page about this rule about 12k arena.

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But alas it will be far from KHL standards. Hence too bad. Face it...

...Arena Zagreb as the home arena in a few years or as they say... ćao!
Same thing will apply than to about 12 russian clubs aswell since they dont have even a plan to build new rinks. from the 9 that are "building" Only 1 is actually building (VTB arena), only a couple (i know of only CSKA) have found locations and got them approved (which is still way off from building), and the rest are in design stages, or just renders for now and not yet approved, let alone financial structure made. This mean it is years away from building and in the end question if they will be built. Because for now its good enough to have a plan to build the Arena and you conform to the rules.

Another problem are the 2 new arenas Fetisov arena and Lada's new arena, both are very new but do not comply with the 12k rules. Fetisov is 7,5k and Lada 6k. Ok Fetisov you can add one more side and get it up to 10, but that is still 2k away from 12k limit for a town with more than 500k people (Vladivostok has 600k people). What do you do about that?

So saying "few years" that is a question what few years mean is it 3 or 10, and if KHL will apply a different set of rules to Medvescak than the russian clubs. This is why i would love to see these rules on an official page, to see what is the time limit for those arenas to be built and if there is any. And if the russian clubs dont build them on time would the russian hockey federation (since KHL answers to it) allow for the clubs to be relegated to VHL.

Just to make it clear the future of Medvescak is going to the Arena and making a permanent ice there (it isnt a small task), but question is of time frame. Till when. But i am sure KHL will tell them with ample time.


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bob, I am too lazy to look up the exact thing, but it is common knowledge that many people with much more expertise than me have stated. It's something that is not questioned as far as I know.

I am not sure what the deal is with the lada and admiral team things... I am not the best one to ask about that. Other teams do have poor arenas, though that is a temporary condition I hope. Many teams joined before the rule existed.


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Just to make it clear the future of Medvescak is going to the Arena and making a permanent ice there (it isnt a small task), but question is of time frame. Till when. But i am sure KHL will tell them with ample time.
Not sure if everyone has the same agreement on what ample means. I think that the three years including this one is considered ample enough, perhaps even too much.




Sidenote: Admiral's arena currently has 5500 sold out at games... will the capacity be expanded for the next season?

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bob, I am too lazy to look up the exact thing, but it is common knowledge that many people with much more expertise than me have stated. It's something that is not questioned as far as I know.

I am not sure what the deal is with the lada and admiral team things... I am not the best one to ask about that. Other teams do have poor arenas, though that is a temporary condition I hope. Many teams joined before the rule existed.




Not sure if everyone has the same agreement on what ample means. I think that the three years including this one is considered ample enough, perhaps even too much.




Sidenote: Admiral's arena currently has 5500 sold out at games... will the capacity be expanded for the next season?
My guess is that they will start building the capacity expansion after this season

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Thats strange i was wondering why it said Fetisov arena had 5.5-7.5k seats lol I thought it was already 7.5k. my mistake as it is written on many sites that capacity overall is now 7.5k. I read an article posted here somewhere that it is 7.5 and 4th stand would add 2k. It wasn an interview from their GM . so mm kinda confused

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I thought that every third seat was missing in the arena or something? (Seriously, I'm not kidding, there is lots of space inbetween the seats from the picture I've seen)

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Very well might b which is extremely strange. On KHL page Fetisov is said to b 5.5k. I must say that is one strange ass way to build an areana lol.

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