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01-19-2014, 03:23 PM
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There's no point in wondering about all the terrible aspects of Eakins' coaching methods.

He's going to be here for a while. I would say that they won't consider firing him until the end of next season. Every indication points to that.

As of right now, I'm not impressed with Eakins but I know that evaluating coaches is not as simple as wins and losses. There is always a huge margin for error, and so I'm willing to see if Eakins can learn from his failures this season. Combined with some major roster changes, we might start next season with all the important lessons learned and ready to take the next step (success in the standings)

In hindsight, I think that firing Krueger was the right move, but replacing him with a rookie coach was the wrong move.
Firing Krueger was a mistake on all accounts regardless of who they brought in. He's the first coach to teach these idiots some decent defending and they actually bought in and learned it, to an extent. He also struck me as a lot more self reflective and cerebral than Eakins, traits imo that would of paid dividends for this team long term and make him a more able to adapt and create superior systems over time. Eakins has yet to make whatever system he is using any better in 48+ games. It shouldn't take a full season to see some improvements but yet there is 0, where as certain players did improve over time last season.

Instead they looked for a quick fix because they think their professional athletes haven't done enough miles on the bike and that's the reason they couldn't often put 60 minutes together. Seems rather farfetched.

Eakins also strikes me as overly arrogant on how he can play his players, which leads me to believe he doesn't know their strengths and weaknesses. I can tell this when he says bull**** like (paraphrase) "Well players should be able to play at any position on the ice".


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01-19-2014, 03:29 PM
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Eakins just isn't a very good coach. Eg look at his pp logic "you play hard 5 on 5 you get pp time".

Makes zero sense if you got a pp specialist you use them on the pp even if they are god awful 5 on 5.

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01-19-2014, 03:57 PM
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It doesnt matter if Eakins is a horrible coach or not they're stuck with him now for at least this season and a good chunk of next. If they should have kept any coach it was probably Renney but now they've flipped coaches every year like clockwork and I think that more than anything has hurt any form of systems play from our players.
probably right. it's just sad (albeit, water under the bridge) that the coach they have to stick with may very well be the weakest of the bunch.

Brian Sutherland made a good point. paraphasing: young players can be indifferent or flippant to a coach when they see that the coach is always fired. It may be that Eakins is a victim of being the 3rd guy in 3 years. the kids just don't take the coach seriously, because they know they are the ones in charge.

Once, again, an ugly environment created by inept management. over and over again.

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Then you would know you would not want that man near a GM position again.
We could debate that for hours but instead of derailing the point on a particular candidate, I think everyone can agree that they need hockey guys in the organization instead of good ole boys.

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We could debate that for hours but instead of derailing the point on a particular candidate, I think everyone can agree that they need hockey guys in the organization instead of good ole boys.
I think everyone can agree that we need the RIGHT hockey guys.

Not clowns who traded Kovalchuk, Hossa, Lethonen, Coburn for nothing and traded too much for a guy who would play 20 games for them (1,2,3 round picks for Keith Tkatchuk)

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I wonder what would happen if the crowd started a fire Eakins chant every home game from here on in.

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Eakins just isn't a very good coach. Eg look at his pp logic "you play hard 5 on 5 you get pp time".

Makes zero sense if you got a pp specialist you use them on the pp even if they are god awful 5 on 5.
This isn't rocket surgery. PP time is viewed as a reward to an NHL player, he's trying to get them to do what he wants at 5v5 and is using PP time as the incentive....

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I wonder what would happen if the crowd started a fire Eakins chant every home game from here on in.
You may want to consider that, it's how Leafs fans got rid of Wilson.

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You may want to consider that, it's how Leafs fans got rid of Wilson.
I assume that's how you'll get rid of Carlyle too since his seat is getting warmer (although it's cooled off this week)

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This isn't rocket surgery. PP time is viewed as a reward to an NHL player, he's trying to get them to do what he wants at 5v5 and is using PP time as the incentive....
The powerplay is a mechanic to give teams an advantage in winning games, not a reward incentive to allow players to pad their stats.

All it shows is that Eakins has very little clue how to work with and motivate the player group.

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He's going to be our version of Sacco. Everyone will be pulling for his firing and it'll take two seasons to get rid of him. He will be downfall to a player like Yakupov the same way Sacco was the downfall for Duchene.

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The powerplay is a mechanic to give teams an advantage in winning games, not a reward incentive to allow players to pad their stats.

All it shows is that Eakins has very little clue how to work with and motivate the player group.
Same tactic used by his mentor MacT, pp time is a reward to be dangled like a friggin carrot.

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How about instead of rewarding how hard a guy skates during a game, you line match 5 on 5 and put your best offensive players on the PP and best defensive players on the PK?

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From the main nhlforum photoshop thread...


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I think he's a rookie head coach in the NHL and his inexperience shows.

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How about instead of rewarding how hard a guy skates during a game, you line match 5 on 5 and put your best offensive players on the PP and best defensive players on the PK?
What kind of crazy talk is this?

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This isn't rocket surgery. PP time is viewed as a reward to an NHL player, he's trying to get them to do what he wants at 5v5 and is using PP time as the incentive....
No its viewed as a mechanism to win games. Nail Yakupov who has the best shot since Jari Kurri even if he is -50 should be in the slot on the PP. Eakins is just making excuses to keep him off the PP due to personal issues with Nail.

Besides if doing what you want 5v5 is a reward no one should be on the Oilers PP. Its a stupid comment and just shows Eakins is in over his head.

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How about instead of rewarding how hard a guy skates during a game, you line match 5 on 5 and put your best offensive players on the PP and best defensive players on the PK?
Good luck with that. Eakins is a guy who put Gagner a perennial mess as a 2 way centre to shut down Kessel when he lit up the Oilers. Why Body Gordon didnt have the shut down job on Kessel god only knows.

Oh did I mention thats Gagner's very first game of the season?

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Don't completely buy this. MacT made guys like Jason Smith and Steve Staios into top pairing fill for awhile. He got the best hockey in either players career out of them. Neither were all that good before, or after they got here.

In some sense coach also makes player. Better or worse anyway. Its pretty clear what direction Eakins is resulting in. Virtually any D here is having a career worst nightmare year. This should be enough illustration to say enough.
I get that. I believe those to were cut from a different cloth. The passive attitude he has behind the bench with the weird looks he gives is tantamount to a scared cat in a dog pound. The last 30 games will be interesting.

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IMO, if you were going to let go Kruger then you needed to axe the entire coaching staff.

The coaching change itself wasn't 100% of the problem. The real issue is that the cuts didn't go deep enough.

If we would have axed Tambo, Kruger, Smith and Buchburger in the offseason. Brought in MacT and a completely new coaching staff. I could have lived with that.

However, in the Oilers organization, they are incapable of making any decisions whatsoever.

So we only fire the head coach. We name 6 assistant captains. We don't solve the goaltending situation until the season was lost. We stick with a defensive system that is clearly not working. So on and so forth.

At this point, everything Eakins says is just noise until the team starts showing results on the ice. I don't think I've seen two games in a row where the team played a full 60 minute hockey game.

Chop Wood. Carry Water. Even if it means your slamming your head against a brick wall.

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The powerplay is a mechanic to give teams an advantage in winning games, not a reward incentive to allow players to pad their stats.

All it shows is that Eakins has very little clue how to work with and motivate the player group.
I don't disagree with you, but when its pretty clear your team doesn't give a **** about playing hard at 5 on 5 what else do you have?

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01-19-2014, 10:03 PM
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I don't disagree with you, but when its pretty clear your team doesn't give a **** about playing hard at 5 on 5 what else do you have?
Same thing he said in the offseason but hasn't practiced at all this year - buy in, play the system, or don't play at all. An accountability system of "I'll play you 20 minutes a game no matter what, but I might withhold a couple of powerplay minutes from you because I said I would to the media" isn't going to accomplish anything.

We've seen the top line benched for maybe 1 period this entire season, players make the same mistakes over and over again and get thrown out there anyways. Appealing to player's selfish need to pad their stats just highlights how unwilling Eakins is to make tougher decisions. Which of course has been readily apparent by his early season scratch of Smyth(because Smyth wouldn't get upset about it - Eakin's words), and scapegoating of Yakupov(the double standard is the major issue, not necessarily that Yakupov hasn't deserved benching).

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