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01-07-2014, 09:00 PM
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Hank will be fine, as soon as he figures out the difference between a trapper, and a blocker.

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01-08-2014, 11:44 AM
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Talbot should start against Chicago tonight. He's better than Lundqvist, as most fans on here genuinely believe, so he should experience playing the best team in the NHL.

More likely scenario, Lundqvist lets up 3-4 goals while still playing a solid game, Rangers lost 3-1 or 4-1, AV says "I need to talk to my goaltenders" and Talbot will come in to face the Panthers and win 2-1 or 3-2.

And we have another goaltending controversy.

Rinse and repeat.

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01-08-2014, 12:06 PM
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Yes please, start Talbot at a consistent basis, so all the shallow whiners will realize the problem with this team is not who's in net at the current game.

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01-08-2014, 01:32 PM
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Okay. What makes more sense, build a team that is consistently competitive for many seasons or just keep playing the Sather game and hoping for all eternity this team will suck or be mediocre for 75% of the season but then magically get hot enough to beat all the best teams in the league for the last three months?

You should probably be playing the lottery everyday too if that's your mentality. You are bound to win it eventually!

Anything can happen, right? lol Good luck with that.
This is the one sport where teams can come out of nowhere. There have been a half dozen losses this year where if you switched the goalies we would have won. Hank has been medicore. That doesn't mean he stays medicore all year.

So rather than take a run with one of the best goalies in the world in his prime, you'd rather:
Trade Girardi to Anaheim for a low 1st?
Trade Callahan somewhere for a 1st.

If you look at what rentals have fetched over the past 5 years, this idea of getting two elite prospects for Girardi or Callahan is a pipe dream.

The Rangers SHOULD absolutely be exploring trade options for these guys (and everyone else for that matter). If they were able to get an NHL ready players (top 6 forwards or top 4 Dmen) under contractural control for either of those guys, then I would not be against making the deal. That would be good asset management.
Trading Dan Girardi for Emerson Etem and the 28th pick is not the direction we should be going.

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01-12-2014, 09:09 PM
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A quick hello to those who were screaming to play Talbot instead of Lundqvist, because he was clearly our better choice going forward.

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01-12-2014, 09:14 PM
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A quick hello to those who were screaming to play Talbot instead of Lundqvist, because he was clearly our better choice going forward.
It was ridiculous then , is now and will be the rest of this yr and hopefully 8 more.

Talbot is a solid back up . Good for him and nyr for giving him a spot I. The team

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01-12-2014, 09:28 PM
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Talbot should start against Chicago tonight. He's better than Lundqvist, as most fans on here genuinely believe, so he should experience playing the best team in the NHL.

More likely scenario, Lundqvist lets up 3-4 goals while still playing a solid game, Rangers lost 3-1 or 4-1, AV says "I need to talk to my goaltenders" and Talbot will come in to face the Panthers and win 2-1 or 3-2.

And we have another goaltending controversy.

Rinse and repeat.
Come on. Only an absolute idiot would think Talbot, after a dozen or so games, is better than arguably the best goalie this franchise has ever seen. Short of totally falling entirely apart or falling off a building, Lundqvist is on his way to the Hall. Talbot hasn't even played 20 NHL games yet. How many examples do people need to see of players who had brilliant first seasons and were never heard from again? Talbot's been up half a season. Let's see if he's still even an NHL goalie in 2 or 3 years.

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01-12-2014, 09:47 PM
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Come on. Only an absolute idiot would think Talbot, after a dozen or so games, is better than arguably the best goalie this franchise has ever seen. Short of totally falling entirely apart or falling off a building, Lundqvist is on his way to the Hall. Talbot hasn't even played 20 NHL games yet. How many examples do people need to see of players who had brilliant first seasons and were never heard from again? Talbot's been up half a season. Let's see if he's still even an NHL goalie in 2 or 3 years.
History has taught me not to buy the hype of a goalie with a small sample size, does anyone remember Blaine Lacher?


The Bruins took Lacher right out of college and threw him into the nets on January 22, 1995, to face the Flyers. Lacher was sharp in a 2-1 win.

In fact, within five days, Lacher had beaten Philadelphia, the Rangers, and the Devils, giving up just two goals in the process. A star was born.

The "Lach-ness Monster" was the toast of New England, going 9-2-1 to start his career. He finished the season 19-11-2 with a 2.41 goals-against average and four shutouts. It all began to unravel in the playoffs, though.

In his playoff debut, Lacher gave up four goals on 17 shots and was yanked from the game. The Bruins went down in flames, and soon, so did Lacher's career.

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01-12-2014, 09:53 PM
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A quick hello to those who were screaming to play Talbot instead of Lundqvist, because he was clearly our better choice going forward.
This implies that playing Talbot would have changed the result

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This implies that playing Talbot would have changed the result
Not at all.

It says that you don't put a goalie with a very small sample size ahead of one of the best goalies in the history of the sport, especially if he is not old.

Too many people watch a game and based on that game, form long range opinions. Body of work always matters.

If Jeter had been mired in a slump 5 years ago and took a seat for a game and a kid was called up and got 4 hits, would you sit Jeter and go with the other guy?

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01-13-2014, 11:36 AM
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History has taught me not to buy the hype of a goalie with a small sample size, does anyone remember Blaine Lacher?


The Bruins took Lacher right out of college and threw him into the nets on January 22, 1995, to face the Flyers. Lacher was sharp in a 2-1 win.

In fact, within five days, Lacher had beaten Philadelphia, the Rangers, and the Devils, giving up just two goals in the process. A star was born.

The "Lach-ness Monster" was the toast of New England, going 9-2-1 to start his career. He finished the season 19-11-2 with a 2.41 goals-against average and four shutouts. It all began to unravel in the playoffs, though.

In his playoff debut, Lacher gave up four goals on 17 shots and was yanked from the game. The Bruins went down in flames, and soon, so did Lacher's career.

The Lachness Monster was never good in his career prior to the NHL. Just because people watch predominantly the NHL with little to no knowledge of other leagues (which was particularly true in 1995) doesn't mean that games there don't matter.

The Bot showed tremendous improvement in his career. He was progressing so nice in the OPJHL that he was offered a scholarship to a top college hockey program by the end. He already committed to Alabama a year earlier and stuck to his plan. In Alabama, he started slowly as he adjusted to playing against superior opponents while his teammates sucked, but was a superstar by the end of his 4 years there. His stats (other than a .925%) didn't exactly reflect it, but it was only because he was playing behind a terrible team.

The same happened in the AHL. He started as a decent backup, but by last year, he was arguably the best goalie in the AHL. The Whale was the worst defensive team in the league, so he had to face a ton of fastbreaks and defensive breakdowns, not to mention playing about 30 games in a row, but he was just tremendous there.

The Lachness Monster was hot for a few games. Talbot has been great for a while now and he's shown huge improvement every single year since the lockout.

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01-13-2014, 04:39 PM
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The Lachness Monster was never good in his career prior to the NHL. Just because people watch predominantly the NHL with little to no knowledge of other leagues (which was particularly true in 1995) doesn't mean that games there don't matter.

The Bot showed tremendous improvement in his career. He was progressing so nice in the OPJHL that he was offered a scholarship to a top college hockey program by the end. He already committed to Alabama a year earlier and stuck to his plan. In Alabama, he started slowly as he adjusted to playing against superior opponents while his teammates sucked, but was a superstar by the end of his 4 years there. His stats (other than a .925%) didn't exactly reflect it, but it was only because he was playing behind a terrible team.

The same happened in the AHL. He started as a decent backup, but by last year, he was arguably the best goalie in the AHL. The Whale was the worst defensive team in the league, so he had to face a ton of fastbreaks and defensive breakdowns, not to mention playing about 30 games in a row, but he was just tremendous there.

The Lachness Monster was hot for a few games. Talbot has been great for a while now and he's shown huge improvement every single year since the lockout.

His last year in college he was 20-5-4 with a 1.98 GAA and 6 SO. Does the CCHA not count as a league outside of the NHL? I'm not saying this is what is going to happen with Talbot but it was a good example of why not to fall in love with a goalie after only a dozen or so good games.

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01-19-2014, 05:33 PM
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They play man in front of both, but the wrinkle is the man D is fronting the opposing forwards with Hank, that would allow a quicker breakouts.
With Talbot it's man D but the D is behind the forwards to clear the crease and allow Talbot to track the puck better.

This is taking nothing away from Talbot who has played well.
I kept waiting for AV and Ulfi to adjust and it looks they have, no wonder the D looks a lot more poised.

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Our D are fronting less than they were before because of how we do our end zone coverage so they are boxing out more. The forwards have more an opportunity to get in front of more shots that would make us a better defensive team.
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