HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Mon., Jan. 20, 2014| Flyers 3 at Islanders 4 (3-2 SOL); Voracek hand injury (post #1)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-20-2014, 03:37 PM
  #51
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Well that was ****ing stupid.

Emery was absolute trash in the shootout... it looked like he wasn't trying.

Downie is terrible, he serves zero purpose.

Lecavelier is completely useless as well. He's slow, can't can't win faceoffs, no longer shoots, can't score in the shootout, isn't particularly good at passing, and he's not good defensively...

Hartnell is still useless.

Every single one of the Islanders goals were just tap ins from two inches away... maybe one of those useless D should do something about the guy just standing there waiting...? Nah, it's fine.

Giroux's shootout move was really nice

Matt Read is awesome

Couturier is 3-4 on falling down on shootout attempts, 1-4 in goals. He also ****ed up ~3 clear attempts before Downies stupid penalty...

They can't win if they're leading, they try to hold the lead and play D instead of attempting to score. Sounds like something a head coach might be responsible for fixing.

I also have zero faith in Berube being able to make decent lines if Voracek misses any time.

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 03:39 PM
  #52
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mota View Post
I have no idea what to make of this group. Its almost like they can only be good defensively and terrible offensively or great offensively and terrible defensively. Its been like this for 3 years and with two different coaches.

Their PK is also terrible. I know % wise they do well but they can never come up with a big kill when they need it.

I am also getting annoyed with the lack of ice time for G. Tavares is out there half the game...for entire PPs...all the other top players are like that too. Giroux doesnt even get out their on the PK anymore...so there is no excuse for not using him more.
Both of the bolded are wrong.

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 03:41 PM
  #53
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFanz View Post
No he isn't, he was back on the bench in the 3rd period.
Yes he is, he didn't play after leaving the ice.

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 03:46 PM
  #54
Curufinwe
Registered User
 
Curufinwe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Country: New Zealand
Posts: 11,480
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Striiker View Post
Lecavelier is completely useless as well. He's slow, can't can't win faceoffs, no longer shoots, can't score in the shootout, isn't particularly good at passing, and he's not good defensively...
Vinny has won 46.4% of his draws this season, which is not great but is still a lot better our current 2C BSchenn.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...fPercentageAll

Vinny has scored on 33.3% of his shootout attempts this season, which is better than his career average and fourth best on the team.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=shootouts

Curufinwe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 03:47 PM
  #55
shipwreck
HFBoards Sponsor
 
shipwreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Texas
Country: United States
Posts: 1,645
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 View Post
Downie is a total plug, we need to get rid of him ASAP.
I've said it before - I wish we would have kept Talbot.

shipwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 03:48 PM
  #56
shipwreck
HFBoards Sponsor
 
shipwreck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Texas
Country: United States
Posts: 1,645
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankM95149 View Post
Not Emery's fault at all. Was he bad in the shootout? Yes. But he is the only reason we got to a shootout.
I agree with this

shipwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 04:07 PM
  #57
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
FAT SLOB
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 45,813
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Appleyard View Post
He is having to cheat on his movement... like rest an arm on his leg and help it push while crouched! He had no chance, he did not get near any of the 3 that went in.

But he did get them there.
Yeah, and it gets more noticeable as the game goes on. By the middle of the 3rd period, if the puck was passed from the side boards to the blue line he wouldn't push in the butterfly to follow the play; He would get up first (with the motion you described), then get into position. If a forward had screwed up and left an open shooting lane, an alert NYI dman could have gotten a prime chance. In that sense, the team did a decent job of allowing Emery time to change positioning; and he rewarded them with some key saves. They sure did a terrible job covering guys right next to the net though, wow.

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 04:08 PM
  #58
Stizzle
Registered User
 
Stizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,869
vCash: 500
Why is no one talking about our team defense, especially the defensemen? Teams are starting to send 2 people in hard on the forecheck and our defensemen just can't handle it. This is a major problem. Until we get some guys who can move the puck back there, we are doomed. We will continue to give up too many shots. Half the reason we take so many penalties is because we get hemmed in our zone and run around like *******s.

Emery played great today. He faced 43 ****ing shots on goal. That's a disgrace.

Matt Read is the man. Vinny, Downie, and Hartnell all suck.


Last edited by MiamiScreamingEagles: 01-20-2014 at 04:16 PM. Reason: Questionable language, not permitted per site rules
Stizzle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 04:26 PM
  #59
Sniped
Snowballs at Santa
 
Sniped's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Philly
Country: United States
Posts: 2,719
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stizzle View Post
Why is no one talking about our team defense, especially the defensemen? Teams are starting to send 2 people in hard on the forecheck and our defensemen just can't handle it. This is a major problem. Until we get some guys who can move the puck back there, we are doomed. We will continue to give up too many shots. Half the reason we take so many penalties is because we get hemmed in our zone and run around like *******s.

Emery played great today. He faced 43 ****ing shots on goal. That's a disgrace.
Was just about to post something similar to this. Our defense is pathetic, and not only can we not handle a forecheck but this defense has trouble clearing the puck out of our zone.

I can't tell how many times we turned the puck over at our blue line because of our slow defense.

Sit L. Schenn for Gus, FFS.

Sniped is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 04:29 PM
  #60
Stizzle
Registered User
 
Stizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,869
vCash: 500
One more thought... I don't care if Mesz has scored a couple goals lately. He still sucks defensively and it would serve the team better to play Gus.

Stizzle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 04:38 PM
  #61
SuchySays
Registered User
 
SuchySays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Poconos
Country: United States
Posts: 2,686
vCash: 500
We could really be in a lot of trouble with the tough schedule coming up if Voracek is out long

SuchySays is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 05:06 PM
  #62
ugiswrong
Registered User
 
ugiswrong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: deutschland
Country: United States
Posts: 802
vCash: 500
Our defensemen have size, but they are as a whole kind of lousy with their sticks, and it seems that the big physical guys resort to stickwork when they should be plowing, especially along the wall, and then even more frustratingly they don't tie up opponents in front of the net when they actually should be using their sticks defensively. L. Schenn and Coburn are especially brutal in that regard. Gus looks like he uses the same stick from when he was twelve years old, I suppose otherwise he couldn't carry the puck at all but it's a joke.

ugiswrong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 05:50 PM
  #63
Dirty but Good
but mostly dirty
 
Dirty but Good's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Country: United States
Posts: 1,545
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Striiker View Post
Well that was ****ing stupid.

Emery was absolute trash in the shootout... it looked like he wasn't trying.

Downie is terrible, he serves zero purpose.

Lecavelier is completely useless as well. He's slow, can't can't win faceoffs, no longer shoots, can't score in the shootout, isn't particularly good at passing, and he's not good defensively...

Hartnell is still useless.

Every single one of the Islanders goals were just tap ins from two inches away... maybe one of those useless D should do something about the guy just standing there waiting...? Nah, it's fine.

Giroux's shootout move was really nice

Matt Read is awesome

Couturier is 3-4 on falling down on shootout attempts, 1-4 in goals. He also ****ed up ~3 clear attempts before Downies stupid penalty...

They can't win if they're leading, they try to hold the lead and play D instead of attempting to score. Sounds like something a head coach might be responsible for fixing.

I also have zero faith in Berube being able to make decent lines if Voracek misses any time.
I laughed at how you sneaked in two bits of positivity in the middle of your rant.

Dirty but Good is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 05:58 PM
  #64
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 17,916
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
I've said it before - I wish we would have kept Talbot.
I still think the trade off in contracts made it worth it.

LegionOfDoom91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 06:01 PM
  #65
Garbage Goal
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 18,076
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curufinwe View Post
Vinny has won 46.4% of his draws this season, which is not great but is still a lot better our current 2C BSchenn.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...fPercentageAll

Vinny has scored on 33.3% of his shootout attempts this season, which is better than his career average and fourth best on the team.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=shootouts
Having the rest of the team being bad at aspects of the game doesn't make Lecavalier not also bad at those aspects. It's pretty obvious Lecavalier has little use outside of scoring.

As far as Schenn goes though, he's a young guy with not many career NHL games played and most of them with the Flyers not at his natural center position. Young players get better at face-offs as they mature and adapt to the league and that progress is stalled when said player is put at the wings a lot on and off. Lecavalier is a long-time and established player in this league in his mid-30's so he isn't nearly as likely to improve over time.

Garbage Goal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 06:25 PM
  #66
bennysflyers16
Registered User
 
bennysflyers16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 19,754
vCash: 500
Just watched game and been saying for weeks, Downie is the worst skater on the team. He is the slowest and worst skater but used to be able to win a board battle, he lost every board battle today and Rosehill brings more than Downie, just awful player.

Vinny was awful in SO in Tampa and they stopped using him, Goon Logic just keeps on pissing pts away.

Rayzor was garbage in SOm,Mobutu real good in the game.

bennysflyers16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 06:39 PM
  #67
FlyingPhilly
Registered User
 
FlyingPhilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Philly
Country: United States
Posts: 1,366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stizzle View Post
Why is no one talking about our team defense, especially the defensemen? Teams are starting to send 2 people in hard on the forecheck and our defensemen just can't handle it. This is a major problem. Until we get some guys who can move the puck back there, we are doomed. We will continue to give up too many shots. Half the reason we take so many penalties is because we get hemmed in our zone and run around like *******s.

Emery played great today. He faced 43 ****ing shots on goal. That's a disgrace.

Matt Read is the man. Vinny, Downie, and Hartnell all suck.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniped View Post
Was just about to post something similar to this. Our defense is pathetic, and not only can we not handle a forecheck but this defense has trouble clearing the puck out of our zone.

I can't tell how many times we turned the puck over at our blue line because of our slow defense.

Sit L. Schenn for Gus, FFS.
It has been touched so many times in other threads. I am just tired of it now.

I think most of us here can agree the Flyers defense sucks. They really need to revamp it and get defensemen who can skate and have offensive skills, preferably two way players. I wonder what young struggling d-man that has the aforementioned can be had for cheap; probably none.

FlyingPhilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 06:45 PM
  #68
bennysflyers16
Registered User
 
bennysflyers16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 19,754
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 View Post
I still think the trade off in contracts made it worth it.
This. Now god forbid they resign Downie then we lose the trade big time. If they can trade him for anything ( sooner the better) then we win the trade.

He is so slow he can't even be effective on the 4 th line. It's so hard to watch.

bennysflyers16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 07:17 PM
  #69
1865
Registered User
 
1865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chester, UK
Country: England
Posts: 9,846
vCash: 500
Why is it that Schenn and Grossmann are on the ice every time we concede?

1865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 07:59 PM
  #70
gto64dr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 377
vCash: 500
It's not the lack of defensive talent that's causing problems it's the style of breakout. These constant back passes and cross passes and passes back and forth behind the net. Just move forward and if you can't, dump it out. How many times do we get picked off in our own zone? Spend less time trying to make the cute breakout and just move it out

gto64dr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 08:01 PM
  #71
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 17,916
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennysflyers16 View Post
This. Now god forbid they resign Downie then we lose the trade big time. If they can trade him for anything ( sooner the better) then we win the trade.

He is so slow he can't even be effective on the 4 th line. It's so hard to watch.
I didn't actually mind Talbot's contract too much but just getting a little more flexibility going forward doesn't hurt.

LegionOfDoom91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 09:00 PM
  #72
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curufinwe View Post
Vinny has won 46.4% of his draws this season, which is not great but is still a lot better our current 2C BSchenn.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...fPercentageAll

Vinny has scored on 33.3% of his shootout attempts this season, which is better than his career average and fourth best on the team.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=shootouts
46% is not good, especially when this is a part of his game that is supposed to make up for other shortcomings.

And 33% is because he is 1-3... not a sample size worth mentioning.

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 09:04 PM
  #73
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1865 View Post
Why is it that Schenn and Grossmann are on the ice every time we concede?
Because there's a 66% chance at 5v5 of at least one of them being on the ice at any given time... statistically a majority of goals against will be when one or the other is on the ice....

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 09:07 PM
  #74
Striiker
Orange and Black
 
Striiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 9,886
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage Goal View Post
Having the rest of the team being bad at aspects of the game doesn't make Lecavalier not also bad at those aspects. It's pretty obvious Lecavalier has little use outside of scoring.

As far as Schenn goes though, he's a young guy with not many career NHL games played and most of them with the Flyers not at his natural center position. Young players get better at face-offs as they mature and adapt to the league and that progress is stalled when said player is put at the wings a lot on and off. Lecavalier is a long-time and established player in this league in his mid-30's so he isn't nearly as likely to improve over time.
And even if Schenn is bad at faceoffs, he's still contributing positively to the team in many other ways. Lecavelier isn't. If he's not winning faceoffs or scoring goals he's useless... and he's not doing either right now.

Striiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-20-2014, 09:25 PM
  #75
onlylordsvsmorebp
Registered User
 
onlylordsvsmorebp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 920
vCash: 500
just finished watching game...wtf was that.the third was ****ing disgraceful.downie is a joke.lecavalier is useless.iwas surprised at how well emery was playing until the third and shootout...cant count on him at all.how the hell can you get pinned in your own end for THREE QUARTERSof a ******* period?they look ****ing hopeless.i mean how do you fix that?

onlylordsvsmorebp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:42 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.