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01-20-2014, 05:04 AM
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Why keep Trevor Timmins?

He has had over a decade to show what he can do with regard to drafting.

Take a look at our forwards in Hamilton. Not much there. It sucks tremendously when your leading goal scorer on the team is Nick Tarnasky with 9 (tied with Leblanc). That is an organizational EMBARRASSMENT.

Timmins is beloved by many here for drafting Subban, Price and Pacioretty. Galchenyuk was a no-brainer.

Other than that, we have an over-abundance of repetitive type smallish forwards and too many players with a ceiling of the 3rd or 4th line.

This organization needs a new direction and it should start with our drafting and prospects/AHL development.

I realize that this is an unpopular stance but reality is not on Timmins' side.
most were NOT drafted by Timmins (only Gallagher was, among the dwarves)

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01-20-2014, 05:10 AM
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Relocate them team to another province, imo

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01-20-2014, 05:37 AM
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Relocate them team to another province, imo
dont think they have a big enough arena in PEI

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01-20-2014, 06:13 AM
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Habs can start by hiring a competent coach.

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01-20-2014, 09:00 AM
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Except Bourque, I don't think we have many "lazy" vets. Then, again, I wouldn't call Bourque a lazy player either. Can he give more? Absolutely.. but IMO, calling a professional player lazy is stupid.
Why? It is a reputation that has followed him around for a number of years now.

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01-20-2014, 09:33 AM
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Why keep Trevor Timmins?

He has had over a decade to show what he can do with regard to drafting.

Take a look at our forwards in Hamilton. Not much there. It sucks tremendously when your leading goal scorer on the team is Nick Tarnasky with 9 (tied with Leblanc). That is an organizational EMBARRASSMENT.

Timmins is beloved by many here for drafting Subban, Price and Pacioretty. Galchenyuk was a no-brainer.

Other than that, we have an over-abundance of repetitive type smallish forwards and too many players with a ceiling of the 3rd or 4th line.

This organization needs a new direction and it should start with our drafting and prospects/AHL development.

I realize that this is an unpopular stance but reality is not on Timmins' side.
Yea, get rid of Timmins!

What has he ever drafted for us? A #1C, #1D, #1G and a #1W? But that's it!

What a terrible scout

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01-20-2014, 09:37 AM
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most were NOT drafted by Timmins (only Gallagher was, among the dwarves)
Timmins track record:
2003
Andrei Kostitsyn: 2nd line 50 point player
Maxim Lapierre: 3rd/4th Line Agitator
Ryan O'Byrne: Bottom Pairing Defenseman
Jaroslav Halak: Legit Number 1 goaltender
2004
Kyle Chipchura: 4th line center
Alexei Emelin: Physical 2nd pairing defenseman
Mikhail Grabovski: 2nd line center
Mark Streit: Top 4 defenseman
2005
Carey Price: Superstar Goalie
Latendresse: 2nd/3rd Line scorer before Injury history
Matt D'agostini: Utility player with 20 goal season
Sergei Kostitsyn: 2nd/3rd line player
2006
Ryan White: 4th line Grinder
2007:
Ryan McDonagh: Olympian top pairing defenseman
Pacioretty: Olympian top scoring LW
PK Subban: Olympian Norris Trophy winning defenseman
Yannick Weber: PP Specialist D
2008:
Danny Kristo: Top prospect for Rangers
2009:
Leblanc: Potential 3rd line player
Nattinen: Just received first call-up
Dumont: 4th line call up
Mac Bennett still legit prospect
2010:
Tinordi: Potential top 4 shut down D
Gallagher: Top 9 gritty scorer
Morgan Ellis and Mark MacMillan still legit prospects
2011:
Nathan Beaulieu: Potential top 4 puck moving D
Didier, Nygren, and Dietz still legit prospects
2012:
Galchenyuk: Leading forward scorer as 19 year old before injury
Collberg, Thrower, Bozon, Vail, and Hudon still legit prospects
2013:
Recent draft, too early to tell.

SouthernHab is a lunatic if he doesn't see that Timmins has been exceptional.. he's had 2 drafts that were subpar. One was due to having no 1st round pick.

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01-20-2014, 09:52 AM
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Yes, let's save the Habs, they are sitting on a 4 pt. lead in the Eastern Conference, with a game in hand on the Leafs @ 4th out of 16 teams. Tremendously horrendous record that 12 teams in their Conference would love to boast about, but let's call for a beheading, it's boring having a team so firmly entrenched in a playoff slot.

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01-20-2014, 11:40 AM
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The situation up front isn't terrible. They have been a bit snakebitten but there is talent. Could use less Parros in the line up, and Briere not on 4th line so much but that's about it. Part of the problem up front stems from transition issues in the back, which leads too...

The real mess is on D, it's just brutal, complete fubar. The biggest problem is Emelin, who just can't seem to play on RD with Markov. I would say at this point a change is needed, I would propose maybe we could trade Diaz + draft pick to Florida for Tom Gilbert. He is a RD who could play with Emelin on 2nd pairing. 3rd could be Gorges + Beaulieu. Murray & Bouillon as injury reserve.

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01-20-2014, 04:12 PM
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You cannot "save" the Habs with a new line combination.

It is a process. And it takes time.

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01-20-2014, 04:15 PM
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I say the Habs should start a 5 year plan to completely rebuild this team!

Who's with me on that one??



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01-20-2014, 06:42 PM
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Yea, get rid of Timmins!

What has he ever drafted for us? A #1C, #1D, #1G and a #1W? But that's it!

What a terrible scout
No offense man but you cannot win a Cup with 4 players.

Again, refer back to Hamilton and look at what we have in reserve. Not much.

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I say the Habs should start a 5 year plan to completely rebuild this team!

Who's with me on that one??


I am in. Let's scrap the 5-year plan of 2 years ago and start a new one!

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... Just get two players that are big and talented to play on the right side -- one on D, one on Wing.


We need a Top-6 RW (and not a fringe one who's a Top-6 when he's on, like, Bourque) and a 2nd pairing RD. Markov and Emelin can play on the left side. If only Pateryn was a bit more gifted in puckmoving, Gorges and him would make a decent 3rd pairing.

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01-20-2014, 07:00 PM
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No offense man but you cannot win a Cup with 4 players.

Again, refer back to Hamilton and look at what we have in reserve. Not much.
Look around the league, 4 groomed talents of that calibre is enough. GM has to help with trades and/or Free Agents.

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Look around the league, 4 groomed talents of that calibre is enough. GM has to help with trades or Free Agents.
I dont disagree with you regarding the responsibility of the GM to fill in the holes.

But to fill in the majority of the roster via trades or FA?

Take out Carey Price and the years 2003-2006 were disaster drafts. 2007 was a home-run. 2008 and 2009 were not even close to being mediocre drafts. 2010 forward is still too early to grade.

Those 6-7 years with not much to show for it has hamstrung this franchise. And the effects will continue for years because there is not much in the minors right now.

But he did have one really solid year (2007) and Carey Price was a great pick in a year where the rest of the picks were sub-par.

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01-20-2014, 07:14 PM
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Let's find the best french speaking coach and hire him !

Find the best francophones UFA's and hire them !

GO MORE FRANCOPHONE, that is what this team really needs !

The future will be so bright, en français SVP !!!

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01-20-2014, 07:19 PM
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No offense man but you cannot win a Cup with 4 players.

Again, refer back to Hamilton and look at what we have in reserve. Not much.
Several of the players Timmins drafted are with other teams. His percentage of his picks that graduated to the Show is higher than most.

It's true that the current Hamilton roster is not full of potential top 6 O and top 4 D, but you are conveniently ignoring the great talent potential in European leagues and Junior.

Tell the whole story, or why bother?

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Let's find the best french speaking coach and hire him !

Find the best francophones UFA's and hire them !

GO MORE FRANCOPHONE, that is what this team really needs !

The future will be so bright, en français SVP !!!
Well...
A very good point can be made that the best current non-NHL employed coach is actually French, so I don't really know where you're going with your irony.

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I dont disagree with you regarding the responsibility of the GM to fill in the holes.

But to fill in the majority of the roster via trades or FA?

Take out Carey Price and the years 2003-2006 were disaster drafts. 2007 was a home-run. 2008 and 2009 were not even close to being mediocre drafts. 2010 forward is still too early to grade.

Those 6-7 years with not much to show for it has hamstrung this franchise. And the effects will continue for years because there is not much in the minors right now.

But he did have one really solid year (2007) and Carey Price was a great pick in a year where the rest of the picks were sub-par.
I guess our definition of disaster is different. 2006 was a total failure, I'll give you that. But I think the bigger problem here is how bad we managed our assets when it comes to certain guys from those drafts. Some of them left us no choice but to get close to no value in return by either having attitude problems or asking for a trade. Names like Lapierre, Grabovsky (albeit it was a good move at the time) and Sergei Kostitsyn come to mind. We traded Latendresse who went on to have a good stretch with Minnesota for Pouliot and then we decided to not re-sign BP and lost him for nothing. Same thing for Tom Pyatt. Add in to that the numerous 2nd rounders we wasted on guys that turned out to be rentals when we could have re-signed them (Moore, Tanguay, Wizniewski ((although that one was understandable and to give credit to Gauthier, he traded his rights)).

Those are a lot of moves that made us take a couple of step backs instead of helping us move forward.

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Well...
A very good point can be made that the best current non-NHL employed coach is actually French, so I don't really know where you're going with your irony.
who are you talking about? Boucher?

if he's so good, how come no one hired him since he was fired? (there was at least 4-5 coaches hired since he was fired, was his name ever mentioned for the coaches openings in the NHL?)

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who are you talking about? Boucher?

if he's so good, how come no one hired him since he was fired? (there was at least 4-5 coaches hired since he was fired, was his name ever mentioned for the coaches openings in the NHL?)
So I understand that the best coach available is Claude Noel, or that Dallas Eakins was a good choice?

Besides, I said that "a very good point could be made..." (...).

Which means it's totally not a certitude.

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who are you talking about? Boucher?

if he's so good, how come no one hired him since he was fired? (there was at least 4-5 coaches hired since he was fired, was his name ever mentioned for the coaches openings in the NHL?)
A good portion of those teams decided to replace the coach with a guy from within the organization (PHI, TB, FLA).

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It pains me to say this, especially with Price entering the twilight of his career (he deserves better), but this team needs blowing up.

Enough with the patchwork.
I don't think you know what twilight means

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A good portion of those teams decided to replace the coach with a guy from within the organization (PHI, TB, FLA).
...and another went the Eakins route.

It amazes me that some people here criticize Marc Bergevin, yet thinks the other GM's can't make bad decisions.

EDIT : Jon Cooper is a terrific coach though.

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