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01-21-2014, 08:13 AM
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Well that's probably because there are other options you are talking about. You still be a team with no goon and not being bullied by a whole opponent. You can have a team filled of Prust and Moen and not being bullied, yet no need for a goon. Or, the goon you have do not have to, either be sending fax and be of no use like Laraque....or be 1 concussion away from retirement. A goon could be able to play hockey a little.
I think that's a great point. Would we all rather have Chris Neil than George Parros? I think unilaterally the answer would be yes on this board but the goons that play hockey and score 7-10 goals per year are extremely rare and teams don't give them up easily. We lucked out in signing Prust, but otherwise you need to develop those players from within. That's what I think the Habs brass were going for with the Connor Crisp pick for example. I know that's a pick a lot of people hated but if he turns into a Neil or a lesser version like Arron Asham in his prime or a player like that, it'll be well worth it.

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So, when you were talking about Neil running Gallagher a few posts up, that was completely irrelevant and you're not claiming that having an enforcer makes any difference to whether that does or doesn't happen?

Just on this page Maxpac and Mr Hab are explicitly making that claim btw. Where is your 'majority' to argue against them? And, if you disagree with them so fundamentally, why do we never see you arguing against them and disputing their claims?
Critical thinking is lacking by many.

When Neil runs Gallagher, he must then fight our enforcer. Will that stop Neil? No. But he will have to eat a few fists and sit for 5.

Repeat the process as needed.

Having someone sticking up for a teammate is a positive and builds cohesiveness on a team. Gallagher should not have to fight those battles nor should thuggery against him be allowed to happen without retribution.

NHL players understand this. People who play or have played team sports understand this. Pacifists on a message board do not. Again, irrelevant since you do not play the game.

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01-21-2014, 11:43 AM
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Critical thinking is lacking by many.

When Neil runs Gallagher, he must then fight our enforcer. Will that stop Neil? No. But he will have to eat a few fists and sit for 5.

Repeat the process as needed.

Having someone sticking up for a teammate is a positive and builds cohesiveness on a team. Gallagher should not have to fight those battles nor should thuggery against him be allowed to happen without retribution.

NHL players understand this. People who play or have played team sports understand this. Pacifists on a message board do not. Again, irrelevant since you do not play the game.
Last season without an enforcer like Parros we finished top-10 in fights league wide so didn't we already have people sticking up for teammates?

Also it's funny how you can make a claim that all NHL players agree with you. Because when Plekanec was asked whether we needed size/toughness he said no we needed more scoring.

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01-21-2014, 11:48 AM
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somehow the Hawks manage to do ok without a goon . . .

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somehow the Hawks manage to do ok without a goon . . .
When did they trade Bollig?

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Last season without an enforcer like Parros we finished top-10 in fights league wide so didn't we already have people sticking up for teammates?

Also it's funny how you can make a claim that all NHL players agree with you. Because when Plekanec was asked whether we needed size/toughness he said no we needed more scoring.
SouthernHabs is friend with every players in the NHL, he knows the truth. From there he can claim whatever he wants
Ain't this a false premise?
But, obviously he is the one who has critical thinking


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01-21-2014, 12:48 PM
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SouthernHabs is friend with every players in the NHL, he knows the truth. From their he can claim whatever he wants
Ain't this a false premise?
But, obviously he is the one who has critical thinking
97 percent of players wanted fighting in the game.... But the keyboard pacifists would have you believe otherwise.

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01-21-2014, 01:39 PM
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When did they trade Bollig?
you don't want the Hawks much if you think Bollig is a goon

and he's a much better hockey player than Parros, not that that's saying much. more like a Prust or a Moen (though not as good defensively). Unless you consider those guys goons


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01-21-2014, 05:31 PM
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Critical thinking is lacking by many.

When Neil runs Gallagher, he must then fight our enforcer. Will that stop Neil? No. But he will have to eat a few fists and sit for 5.

Repeat the process as needed.

Having someone sticking up for a teammate is a positive and builds cohesiveness on a team. Gallagher should not have to fight those battles nor should thuggery against him be allowed to happen without retribution.
But Parros has fought Neil zero times.

So, your position is that Parros being on the team has zero effect on Neil's behaviour. But that it will result in 'retribution'. Which hasn't happened. So, Parros has had no effect on Neil whatsoever?

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But Parros has fought Neil zero times.

So, your position is that Parros being on the team has zero effect on Neil's behaviour. But that it will result in 'retribution'. Which hasn't happened. So, Parros has had no effect on Neil whatsoever?
No one has any effect on Neil. Neil is a good fighter and he isn't scared of anyone. If anyone honestly think Neil is going to stop playing physical and getting under players skin because some scrub is warming in the bench, you are kidding yourself. Neil would gladly take the assault and give his team a PP.

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SouthernHabs is friend with every players in the NHL, he knows the truth. From there he can claim whatever he wants
Ain't this a false premise?
But, obviously he is the one who has critical thinking
I could call you ignorant of reality. But I wont. I will simply say that you are ill-informed. Let me help you.

http://www.playerspoll.ca/results/20...etely-banished

Question > Should fighting be completely banished?

Answer > No Almost all players in favour of keeping fighting in the game 98% .

Imagine that. A poll of actual NHL hockey players who do not want to see fighting removed from the sport because they see benefit in it.

Compare that to you, a keyboard pacifist (credit to Beendair Donedat) with a completely IRRELEVANT opinion that does not match reality.


Again, this thread was started out of frustration with a goal being scored against the Habs while Parros was on the ice. We lost 5-3 against the Leafs and Parros was not on the ice for any of the other 4 goals.

The disconnect is that PK Subban's attempted breakout was foiled when the ref's skate hit the puck (If that were Emelin or Parros, he would be criticized for his lack of vision down the ice). Four players on the ice other than Parros failed to clear the puck or stop the goal from scoring.

But it is so convenient for the anti-fighting crowd to single out Parros.

False association? Or does that not fit the agenda?

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01-21-2014, 06:01 PM
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you don't want the Hawks much if you think Bollig is a goon

and he's a much better hockey player than Parros, not that that's saying much. more like a Prust or a Moen (though not as good defensively). Unless you consider those guys goons
This made me laugh.

Bollig had zero points last season. Look it up. Won the Cup with zero points playing the role of the enforcer.

Revisionist history is funny ****.

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you don't want the Hawks much if you think Bollig is a goonand he's a much better hockey player than Parros, not that that's saying much. more like a Prust or a Moen (though not as good defensively). Unless you consider those guys goons
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I liked Staubitz

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Parros is hurting the habs

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Whenever he's on the ice for another reason than fighting, he sucks BIG TIME.

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It would be better to have a player like Nick Tarnasky who can fight and also finish the season with 5 to 15 points. Parros can't stand still

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This made me laugh.

Bollig had zero points last season. Look it up. Won the Cup with zero points playing the role of the enforcer.

Revisionist history is funny ****.
talk about selective - how about posting his stats this year? He has 5g-5a,takes a regular 4th line shift on a SC Champ averaging about 10 minutes of ice time per game. How many "goons" do that? Like I said, he's more like a Prust or a Moen, more than willing to drop 'em but not a waste of (hockey) space like Parros.

What team was tied for least penalized in the NHL lat season and is in the top 3 this season? With close to the fewest majors?

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I liked Staubitz
I'd take Staubitz over Parros in a second. At least he can sorta play hockey.

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talk about selective - how about posting his stats this year? He has 5g-5a,takes a regular 4th line shift on a SC Champ averaging about 10 minutes of ice time per game. How many "goons" do that? Like I said, he's more like a Prust or a Moen, more than willing to drop 'em but not a waste of (hockey) space like Parros.

What team was tied for least penalized in the NHL lat season and is in the top 3 this season? With close to the fewest majors?
I really enjoy your rationalization.

Brandon Bollig had 5 NHL fights and 13 AHL fights last season. He played in 25 of the Hawks 48 games and averaged 8 minutes a game last season.

He had ZERO points and was a -1.

You are pumping Bollig's tires regarding this season but can I get you to admit that you would have been calling him a worthless goon last season with those numbers? Would a player with zero points be a waste of space as you are referring to Parros now?

I guess some of you Habs fans really loved it when the Bruins regularly beat the **** out of our non-fighting players. It sure as hell was fun to watch Orr try to take out Plek's knee last season. The entertainment value went up when Orr knocked down our Captain and Bourque was knocked out and concussed (wait a minute.......maybe that wasnt so bad after all.)

Bollig would be vilified by some in Montreal, just like Parros is, just like any other enforcer would be. All for the love of ***** hockey and no Stanley Cup.

All because Subban could not clear the puck and then the hook on Gorges was not called creating a turnover.

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I really enjoy your rationalization.

Brandon Bollig had 5 NHL fights and 13 AHL fights last season. He played in 25 of the Hawks 48 games and averaged 8 minutes a game last season.

He had ZERO points and was a -1.

You are pumping Bollig's tires regarding this season but can I get you to admit that you would have been calling him a worthless goon last season with those numbers? Would a player with zero points be a waste of space as you are referring to Parros now?

I guess some of you Habs fans really loved it when the Bruins regularly beat the **** out of our non-fighting players. It sure as hell was fun to watch Orr try to take out Plek's knee last season. The entertainment value went up when Orr knocked down our Captain and Bourque was knocked out and concussed (wait a minute.......maybe that wasnt so bad after all.)

Bollig would be vilified by some in Montreal, just like Parros is, just like any other enforcer would be. All for the love of ***** hockey and no Stanley Cup.

All because Subban could not clear the puck and then the hook on Gorges was not called creating a turnover.
Yeah, remember back when we didn't care about the Bruins bullying us? 2007-2008. Our team was skilled and didn't have a goon. The Bruins spent the entire time trying to hurt us and they would repeatedly recite "moral" victories when they won fights against our smaller players. Results that season?

Montreal 6 Boston 1
Montreal 2 Boston 1
Montreal 7 Boston 4
Montreal 4 Boston 2
Montreal 5 Boston 2
Montreal 8 Boston 2
Montreal 4 Boston 2
Montreal 3 Boston 2.

Remember what happened when we got Laraque? We played the Bruins in the first round and we got SWEPT. We were EMBARRASSED. Seems to me the team has only taken steps backwards when trying to deal with "fights" and "moral" victories.. instead of taking the lack of discipline of other teams and winning on the scoreboard.

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And just for the hell of it, here is the video that is causing the angst of a few against Parros.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...,2,727&lang=en

It's the Kessel goal, 13:11 in the 2nd.


You can isolate every single player on the ice for the Habs on that goal and find fault.

Lars Eller AND Gorges go after Mason Raymond. Should Eller have been aware of the open forward in the slot since a DMan was closing the gap on Raymond?

Parros was back-checking hard against Holland.

Max Pacioretty was to the right of the play and used his power of the point while not picking up Kessel skating in.

Carey Price went down early and was beaten easily.

Pick your poison.

If you do not like Subban, you can blame his one-handed dangle attempt to clear the puck.

If you do not like Gorges, you can blame him for losing the puck after the hook.

If you do not like Eller, you can blame him for not being in a good position to accept a pass from Gorges in support of the puck and not picking up the open forward in the slot after Gorges covered Raymond.

If you do not like Pacioretty, you can blame him for not closing in on Kessel skating into the slot.

If you do not like Parros, you can blame him for being an enforcer playing for the Habs despite back-checking Holland.

If you do not like Price, you can blame him for going down too early.

Take your pick. Its your agenda. Run with it.

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Yeah, remember back when we didn't care about the Bruins bullying us? 2007-2008. Our team was skilled and didn't have a goon. The Bruins spent the entire time trying to hurt us and they would repeatedly recite "moral" victories when they won fights against our smaller players. Results that season?

Montreal 6 Boston 1
Montreal 2 Boston 1
Montreal 7 Boston 4
Montreal 4 Boston 2
Montreal 5 Boston 2
Montreal 8 Boston 2
Montreal 4 Boston 2
Montreal 3 Boston 2.

Remember what happened when we got Laraque? We played the Bruins in the first round and we got SWEPT. We were EMBARRASSED. Seems to me the team has only taken steps backwards when trying to deal with "fights" and "moral" victories.. instead of taking the lack of discipline of other teams and winning on the scoreboard.
Ottawa physically rolling us in Round One without Parros or any other enforcer says hello.

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Ottawa physically rolling us in Round One without Parros or any other enforcer says hello.
So if we had Parros against Ottawa, we'd win the series? Ok.

The only people who endorse fighting in hockey are traditionalists or kids who got beat up in junior high and feel insecure when they see their sports team lose a fight.

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So if we had Parros against Ottawa, we'd win the series? Ok.

The only people who endorse fighting in hockey are traditionalists or kids who got beat up in junior high and feel insecure when they see their sports team lose a fight.
Never said that.

We did not have an enforcer weighing us down and causing us to lose games like the one against the Leafs on Saturday and we still lost to the Senators.

Which do you play more of? Playstation or XBox?

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